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Re: Cylinder Head Fastener Upgrades
Reply #30 - 10/14/22 at 17:23:09
 
To install the insert you will need some simple tools.  An easy out, a continuously threaded M8-1.25 bolt, an M8-1.25 nut, several spacers, and an appropriate wrench.
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Reply #31 - 10/14/22 at 17:23:52
 
I use the easy out to help install the insert from inside the port.  I don’t reef on the easy out, just use it to align the insert and turn it to thread it into the hole.  Do a trial fitup to make sure it goes all the way home.
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Reply #32 - 10/14/22 at 17:24:50
 
Once the insert is started into the threads, remove the easy out and replace it with the M8 bolt and install a nut on the top.  Now you can use the wrench to run it in snug.
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Reply #33 - 10/14/22 at 17:25:49
 
It must go all the way in and hit the bottom of the counterbore.
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Reply #34 - 10/14/22 at 17:26:27
 
If it fits good, remove the insert, clean everything up with Braklean, apply a coat of JB Weld to the external threads, and reinstall the insert permanently.  Go easy with the epoxy, you don’t want any slopping up the M8 internal threads.
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Reply #35 - 10/14/22 at 17:28:14
 
If done correctly, it should look like this.  Just a smidge of epoxy peeking out from around the flange of the insert.  The insert is all the way home.
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Reply #36 - 10/14/22 at 17:29:52
 
Once the epoxy cures, that sucker ain’t ever comin out so make sure you got it right.  If your lookin for a little better performance you can blend the insert in with a die grinder, but I doubt it ill make much difference.  The gas flow through this port at WOT is pretty much confined to the upper regions of the port.  I’ve tried a number of mods to the floor of the port, and they don’t make any difference on the poor man’s flow bench.
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Reply #37 - 10/14/22 at 17:30:38
 
No more interference with the head gasket.  Use one of those Dorman M8 studs with the insert and you have a good strong fastener.  I have this installed on my Big Bore 4-Speed project and it’s ready to go.  I have a high degree of confidence in this fix, but the old Savage has fooled me a time or two.  I will keep you informed.
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Reply #38 - 10/14/22 at 19:49:34
 
DragBikeMike wrote on 10/14/22 at 17:07:57:
I want a lot of strength, so I make my own acorn nut out of a grade 8 bolt.  I get more thread engagement that way.  But I suspect a standard acorn nut will work fine.  I incorporate an o-ring into the special acorn nut to make the seal.  I want to be able to take this fastener up to maximum allowed stress to ensure a good head gasket seal at the oil passage.

Could you explain this further?
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Reply #39 - 10/14/22 at 20:25:11
 
Lathe work.  A blind threaded hole in the center, with a counterbore for the o-ring.  Flats are machined into the outside diameter so you can tighten it with a wrench.

Must be fricken nice to have a lathe! (totally jealous!)
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Reply #40 - 10/15/22 at 10:04:22
 
That is some seriously clever problem solving. Yeah, having a lathe is something I really want, but IF I had one, I'm not sure I have the skill to get it to do something like that.
Probably some Kinda learning curve goes into THAT.
Good stuff, Mike.
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Reply #41 - 11/10/22 at 12:40:31
 
Versy, I’m sorry I missed your question.  My comment on desiring maximum stress at the right-rear fastener is related to the oil feed to the head.  I had trouble on one with a 97mm bore and copper head gasket.  Big oil leak at the right-rear corner.  That problem was caused by the head not being perfectly flat.  But having a fastener in that location (right-rear head cover bolt) that could not be reefed on to the max didn’t help.  You just can’t twist up that stock bolt since you will end up yanking the internal threads out of the cylinder.  Using the grade-8 through-bolt with a nut eliminates the need to girl thingy foot around the fastener.  You can max up the torque, and if it breaks just replace the bolt & nut.

I hope that explains my comment.  If you were looking for a sketch LMK and I will do a quick drawing.
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Reply #42 - 11/10/22 at 12:42:26
 
I’ve been running the Big Bore 4-speed for about one month.  The engine has about 1900 miles on it.  I wanted to fill you in on how the fastener modifications are working out.

The ¼-20 head cover bolts are solid.  No leaks along the joint between the head cover and head.  The special acorn nut is also dry as a bone.  I knew this repair works good since I’ve run it on other engines.  This fix is a keeper.

The 8mm cylinder head stud just below the exhaust port is also solid.  I check the nut about once per week and the nut is always tight.  At most, I may have rotated this nut a total of 1/20 of a turn (18°) in all my retightening attempts combined.  With the old setup, I generally got about 1/8 turn (45°) every time I checked it until the shoulder on the stud started touching the head gasket, at which point the fastener was no longer clamping the head to the cylinder.  I think this mod is a must for anyone running a 97mm bore and the enlarged exhaust port.  The copper head gasket associated with the 97mm bore is unforgiving.  It doesn’t have an embossed bead to compensate for any reduction in fastener stress.  The enlarged exhaust port reduces some of the beam-strength between the 9mm studs, so a solid 8mm stud in the center is critical.

I am very pleased with these repairs/mods.  
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Re: Cylinder Head Fastener Upgrades
Reply #43 - 11/10/22 at 14:10:53
 
DragBikeMike wrote on 11/10/22 at 12:40:31:
I hope that explains my comment.  If you were looking for a sketch LMK and I will do a quick drawing.


I got the gist of what it was from sneezes comment.  thanks.
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Reply #44 - 03/06/23 at 10:53:36
 
Hello and first of all thanks for the great solution. My right rear bolt has failed and have a major leak from it. Going to try your fix. When you say that the head must be removed for sealing of the oil passage and clean up does that mean the cover at the top or the top section of the head where the fins start. If so this is probably the most involved and complex repair I have done on the bike. Do you recommend the clymer manual as a way to help me get it done? Thanks again.
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