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Reply #30 - 05/14/22 at 10:59:47

"Have not heard of any from, REAL, ‘gun freedom organizations’.
Lots of FAKE gun organizations,
who have a documented record of ,’saying’, something,
yet do the complete opposite, are chiming in.
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It doesn't matter since by your assessment nothing can ever be pro-gun if it alters the 2nd Amendment. Only anti-gun changes are possible. Which, to me, makes no sense.

"Kinna like the, ‘Liberal Gun Club’ in Calf.
They love guns.
As long as it is a ‘correct’ gun,
has a ‘correct’ stock, for-end, barrel, accessories,
installed the ‘correct’ way, with the ‘correct’ number of them.
And it is stored, transported, shot, cleaned, the ‘correct’ way.
One also needs to use the ‘correct’ ammunition,
the ‘correct’ targets, at the ‘correct’ distance.
Not forgetting to hold the gun the ‘correct’ way."

No gun club on the planet can ever propose a pro-gun alteration to the 2nd Amendment according to your assessment since any possible proposal for any alteration to the 2nd Amendment can only be for gun-control. It is not possible for some reason, for this one Amendment to ever propose a pro-gun alteration.

This, to me, makes zero sense.

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Re: It's gonna be the longest
Reply #31 - 05/15/22 at 09:50:46

Eegore wrote on 05/14/22 at 10:59:47:

"... This, to me, makes zero sense.

Yep, ya keep saying that.
And it still does not change anything !

A well regulated Militia,
being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
shall not be infringed.

You say remove one word (Militia) Eegore wrote on 05/10/22 at 20:18:47:

"... I am recommending One word be removed. ..."

'A well regulated, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed'
That wording to me, makes zero sense !
And of course no one will say, 'well regulated', means something else.
Not knowing the meaning in 1776, so remove it as well.
(That is your reason for removing Militia)

'A, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed'

That wording makes even less sense !

'Being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That sounds good.
HOWEVER, do you actuality believe the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists,
will not say, the whole thing is now obsolete,
because their is no need for 'security of a free State' ?

'The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

That, sounds best.
But if you have a scintilla of belief,
that would ever be ratified,
in this day of fixed elections.
Ya better buy the Ocean Front Property in CO.

Just leave it the way it is.
And when the FDS DFI's do not know what a word meant 250 years ago.
Just point out how totally Ignorant they are.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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Re: It's gonna be the longest
Reply #32 - 05/15/22 at 20:08:32

"Just leave it the way it is.
And when the FDS DFI's do not know what a word meant 250 years ago.
Just point out how totally Ignorant they are."

Pointing out ignorance isn't winning legislative battles. When ignorance wins, you still lose.

Besides none of this matters because according to you, no amount of alteration of any kind, from any source, using any known words, could ever be for the purpose of gun freedom. Only gun control measures, according to you, can be used when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.

No pro- gun freedom lawyer, Congressman or President could ever possibly propose strengthening the 2nd Amendment, only anti-gun can make proposals.

This, to me, makes no sense.

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Re: It's gonna be the longest
Reply #33 - 05/16/22 at 08:59:50

It looks like his Reasoning is being dismissed. He spelled it out.. He does not trust allowing anyone to touch the constitution because they want to twist or delete it. He is not protecting what is messed up to Keep it messed up, but it's better than allowing the legislative branch to touch the constitution, because of what they have shown us.
Need an example?
Look at the border.

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Reply #34 - 05/16/22 at 13:10:08

"It looks like his Reasoning is being dismissed. He spelled it out.. He does not trust allowing anyone to touch the constitution because they want to twist or delete it."

That's not what he said. He said any change to the 2nd Amendment can only be for gun control. Not The Constitution as a whole. Since I was recommending combating the successful strategies of gun-control legislation I also am pro-gun control.

This, to me, makes no sense.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: It's gonna be the longest Reply #35 - 05/16/22 at 14:13:01 Here Allow me to assist you That sounds good. HOWEVER, do you actuality believe the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists, will not say, the whole thing is now obsolete, because their is no need for 'security of a free State' ? You might not be the honest person you pretend to be
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Re: It's gonna be the longest
Reply #36 - 05/16/22 at 14:26:18

Eegore wrote on 05/16/22 at 13:10:08:

"... That's not what he said.
He said any change to the 2nd Amendment can only be for gun control. ..."

Don't remember that,
can you point to the post I said those exact words ?
or was it, 'paraphrasing' words ?

Yep got it figured out,
that you say;
"... This, to me, makes no sense. ..."
When someone says,
they want to Protect the 2nd.,

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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Re: It's gonna be the longest
Reply #37 - 05/16/22 at 14:43:48

That sounds good.
HOWEVER, do you actuality believe the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists,
will not say, the whole thing is now obsolete,
because their is no need for 'security of a free State' ?

So, either you are not reading the replies or you're unwilling to admit what he is saying
Either way
My willingness to accept your opinion is, mehhh,,, zero.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8006	Re: It's gonna be the longest Reply #38 - 05/16/22 at 18:20:26 Yep got it figured out, that you say; "... This, to me, makes no sense. ..." When someone says, they want to Protect the 2nd., No, I said it makes no sense, to me, when someone says that any changes to the 2nd Amendment can only be for gun control. I think all Amendments can have proposals that strengthen or weaken them.
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