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Reply #15 - 04/06/21 at 05:42:32
 
Really. If I had told you, a year and a half ago, that, in a nation of 330 million individuals,the majority of those people would lock themselves in their houses for weeks or months on end and only venture out where they might meet other people if they tied a rag around their faces, and they would continue doing it up until right now, and will continue,until some self anointed "expert tells them it's OK to stop, would you have believed me?


 Yes.  As a matter of fact Webstermark and I discussed this in May 2019 when we were talking about Martial Law.  I very specifically said infection control protocols were in place, legally, and that getting people to volunteer is much, much easier than going house to house kicking in doors.  The logistics of force-on-force in the US is ridiculous.

 I stated that mass-infection would be a much more efficient control method and that people would volunteer.

"Agents approved for weaponization have short lifespan to eliminate mutation over time and have reliable vaccination.  The objective is to get people to vaccinate voluntarily which means leaving their homes and communities to quarantine centers."

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 So yeah I would believe you if you said something similar to what I did almost 2 years ago.
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Reply #16 - 04/06/21 at 06:23:22
 
Aaand, look. Texans aren't dying.
I have not worn a mask more than five or six times.
Look at the numbers. States that have dropped it, and how about the one that never locked down? If it had been a bad thing, ohhh the fear freaks would have been tossing that around, but Christie Noem treated the People with dignity, didn't wreck the economy,
The experts did not impress me.
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Reply #17 - 04/06/21 at 06:49:55
 
Aaand, look. Texans aren't dying.

 I personally boxed the dead Texans in Houston.  Don't try to play this TX never had issues nonsense, there's plenty of dead bodies that counter your argument.

 Did every Texan die?  No.  Did more die than what is consistent with past years?  Yes.  Were millions projected to die?  No.  Do you claim that but show no actual reports or models?  Yes.


"I have not worn a mask more than five or six times"

 You are also the only known human to be exempt from the asymptomatic stages by your own admission.  I wouldn't wear a mask either.


Look at the numbers. States that have dropped it, and how about the one that never locked down?

 You mean look only at the numbers you like and leave out or ignore the ones you do not like.  Explain Houston if C-19 was not more deadly than average.  Explain all the nursing home deaths in NY, that you already agreed exist if C-19 was not more deadly than average.

 To say one North Dakota is an analogue for the entirety of the US is ridiculous.  North Dakota didn't have an outbreak so that means Texas
and NY did not also?

 When you cherry-pick the information you will look at you get the results you want.  Nobody would impress me if I ignored the information I don't like and only looked at the parts I do.
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Reply #18 - 04/06/21 at 08:15:17
 
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So yeah I would believe you if you said something similar to what I did almost 2 years ago.


But you, like almost everyone else, ignore the question at the end of my post.

cui bono

Who benefits from ginning up all this fear ?

What is the motive?

It was a deliberate psychological campaign.

Totally unnecessary to simply deal with a disease.
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Reply #19 - 04/06/21 at 08:47:28
 
"It was a deliberate psychological campaign.

Totally unnecessary to simply deal with a disease.
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 I don't agree.  But I am not basing my opinion off internet and news articles but by being in labs, China, and command centers.  If I was at home on the couch maybe my opinions would be different, but like I said to JoG, I went to TX, I boxed the dead, no internet article claiming its all made up and that its a "normal flu" will change my opinion on that.  They don't put that many people in mobile morgues in a normal flu season.

 I do however understand that this forum is unique in the idea that people who read online articles here are more knowledgeable and capable than the people that do the actual jobs.  Much like people who read only information they like about motorcycles are better at riding them than anyone that actually rides a motorcycle in real life.
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Reply #20 - 04/06/21 at 15:47:48
 
Eegore wrote on 04/06/21 at 06:49:55:
" ...  I personally boxed the dead Texans in Houston ... "

Did you perform the Autopsy on them?

Or did you just 'Pack&Stack',
with someone else telling you what they died of?
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Reply #21 - 04/06/21 at 17:49:16
 
Did you perform the Autopsy on them?

Or did you just 'Pack&Stack',
with someone else telling you what they died of?


 
 Autopsies aren't performed on every person to determine cause of death and we all know that.  I did not confirm every body was in the quarantined unit.

 The ratio of dead in the time period was higher than normal, the patient load was primarily C-19 patients.  So could all of those bodies I packed be circumstantial auto accidents, seasonal flu, etc. etc. at rates never before seen?  I can not confirm that did not happen, but to think Houston suffered a coincidental mass fatality from common means at the same time and rates that C-19 patients filled the medical centers seems like grasping at straws just to keep from acknowledging Texans died from C-19.

 But I am sure someone sitting at a computer far away will know more about what went on there than the people that actually did the work.  Just like people that never shoot guns know more about them than people that sell or shoot them for a living.
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Reply #22 - 04/07/21 at 08:47:55
 
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Eegore wrote on 04/06/21 at 17:49:16:
" ... Just like people that never shoot guns know more about them than people that sell or shoot them for a living.

LOL That happens EVERY SINGLE TIME,
any PAID 'representative',
of the person PAYING them,
opens their mouth !

    INCLUDING, the current POTUS !!!!
With all the UL, DFI, FDS Socialists,
that lick his AZZ.
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Reply #23 - 04/08/21 at 13:28:27
 
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Eegore wrote on 04/06/21 at 17:49:16:
"...  Just like people that never shoot guns know more about them than people that sell or shoot them for a living.


A perfect example of that statement just occurred today by ‘Ding-Dong & HO-HO’s’, announcement.

Which brings up the point, where are all the supporters,
of the totally crooked, inept, socialist pocket stuffing puppets,
called Ding-Dong and Ho-Ho ?

Where are the tt/Clones to say how Wonderfull it is that in just 4 short months,
Ding-Dong and Ho-Ho have delivered
(or working hard at delivering),
Freedom restriction,
Economic reduction,
Tax raises.

Or are the UL, DFI, FDS’ing, flag bearers starting to realize,
they ARE the ‘useful idiots’, !!!
And will be the first to go to the gulag, when they complain about the current 100's of MORE atrocities, than ever was in the last 4 years.


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Reply #24 - 04/08/21 at 14:06:44
 
 Go back to 2017 on this forum and the same things were said about Trump.  You will have the same number of people agreeing with you about Biden as they did when they complained about Trump.  Trump's tax model didn't help some and really helped others, Biden's will do the same.  I posted Trump's tax plan, said it was Obama's and people griped about how it ruined the middle class.  I posted the exact same tax plan, said it was Trump's and was told how it helped the middle class.

 Amazing how that work's when you won't even read what you propose is good or bad.

 I do however find it interesting that people who have never worked in epidemiology know more about people who have, but with guns it's the opposite.  Why is it that people with zero experience with guns know less about guns, but people with zero experience with contagious disease know more?

 Why do people that have never been to Houston know more about what happened in Houston than the people that worked in Houston?  Observed reality?
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Reply #25 - 04/09/21 at 17:24:34
 
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Eegore wrote on 04/08/21 at 14:06:44:
 Go back to 2017 on this forum and the same things were said about Trump.  You will have the same number of people agreeing with you about Biden as they did when they complained about Trump. ..."

Not even remotaly close.

On this space, it was totally outnumbered as the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists, did/posted what ever they wanted.
And Conservative views got the boot !

      (Now they GOT the Socialism they wanted,
YET are NOW silent
because they have finally realized they are first in line for the gulag,
if they say anything against the current POTUS)

  (And AOC IS STANDING IN FRONT OF THAT LINE)

The majority of the Population of the, CITIZENS, of the USA,
is still in favor of Trump like governing/policies.

It was the UN-documented, not Citizens, and the multiple voting that installed the Socialists, Ding-Dong and HO-HO !






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Reply #26 - 04/09/21 at 20:04:22
 
"Not even remotaly close.

On this space, it was totally outnumbered as the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists, did/posted what ever they wanted.
And Conservative views got the boot !"


 I already went through all those posts and linked them in this thread here:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1612113976

 I see a different outcome, I see a lot of Conservative posts still there in that timeframe.  

 My point is asking people here to say they regret voting for Biden makes exactly the same amount of sense as people asking you to say you regret voting for Trump.  When they asked that 4 years ago it made as much sense then as it does now.  None.


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Reply #27 - 04/13/21 at 18:55:28
 
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[quote author=0020222A3720450 link=1615217349/15#26 date=1618023862 ... already went through all those posts and linked them in this thread ...

It was 3-1, Liberals to Conservatives.

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...asking people here to say they regret voting for Biden makes exactly the same amount of sense as people asking you to say you regret voting for Trump.  ...


Most voting for Trump, believed, experienced, and saw results, and supported those policies. (except tweeting)

All that voted for the 'Ding-Dong' will NOT, claim they voted wrong,
EVEN though just 4 months in,
they are hunkering down,

knowing we got 3.7 years of SHGIT coming !



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Reply #28 - 04/13/21 at 19:34:23
 

"It was 3-1, Liberals to Conservatives."

 We need to define who you consider Conservative vs. Liberal and the specific timeframe so we can do the math.

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Reply #29 - 04/14/21 at 17:46:13
 
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Eegore wrote on 04/08/21 at 14:06:44:
 ...  but people with zero experience with contagious disease know more?  ...


…I can show you that one major thing that governments around the world are telling the people is a lie, you should take my 32 years of experienced opinion that says, most of it, if not all of it, is a lie…

Says Dr. Michael Yeadon, Pfizer's former Vice President and Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory who spent 32 years in the industry leading new medicines research and retired from the pharmaceutical giant with “the most senior research position” in his field.

…It’s a fallacy this idea of asymptomatic transmission and that you don’t have symptoms, but you are a source of a virus. That lockdowns work, that masks have a protective value obviously for you or someone else, and that variants are scary things and we even need to close international borders in case some of these nasty foreign variants get in. …

…And, yes, certainly crossing an international border is the most obvious use for these vaccine passports, as they are called, but I’ve heard talk of them already that they could be necessary for you to get into public spaces, enclosed public spaces. I expect that if they wanted to, you would not be able to leave your house in the future without the appropriate privilege on your app….


Just type in: ‘Former Pfizer VP talks’, in your search engine.
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