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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #90 - 12/01/20 at 15:09:46
 
   
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/huaweis-24-core-7nm-kunpeng-920-cpu-alleged...

Another vendor lines up to kick Intel i9-9900K's ass

Wow, a 24 core 7nm ARM Neoverse based Huawei Kunpeng 920 mainframe chipset swinging a AMD Radeon 520 mobile graphics card (Radeon 520 is a dedicated entry-level graphics card for laptops that was released in 2017).  Putting these pieces of 5 year old tech together makes up  a new "old style" 7nm processor rig that can kick Intel i9-9900K's 14nm ass right now, today.   (to be sure, the Intel 14nm base tech is over 10 years old at this time, so this shouldn't be surprising)



Getting perspective, it is a Chinese Government sponsored 24 core 7nm ARM Neoverse mainframe chipset that was a current design back in 2019 that has been combined with a 1917 era AMD Radeon 520 graphics chipset tech that China got from ARM back when it was a kosher US government sanctioned (pre-approved no less) open trade deal.

This isn't ARM's best most current tech nor is it run on the current 7nm +++ lithography.    It runs on older (used) 7nm lithography equipment that China recently bought used (legally) at the end of its service life.   But it still swings a whole lot of cores (24) and equipped with some not terribly moldy AMD graphics so that in total it can totally kick Intel's i9-9900K antique 14nm technology butt once again.

Add Huawei's Kunpeng 920 Pangu to the list of computers competing head to head with Intel ........        

The Kunpeng 920 3211K in particular has 24 ARM Neoverse mainframe cores that max out at a mainframe under stressed 2.6 GHz.  Huawei pairs the processor with 8GB of SO-DIMM memory, a 512GB Samsung SSD and AMD’s Radeon 520 mobile graphics card.

Huawei tailors the Kunpeng 920 Pangu to government and enterprise markets, meaning the system is equipped with China's homemade Linux Unified Operating System (UOS). User expansion and customization on the Pangu is close to zero. The Kunpeng 920 3211K is soldered to the motherboard and doesn't support other graphics cards. The UOS is cemented into the PC so you can't install Windows on it either. We suspect you may be able to upgrade the memory or SSD, but that's about it.

The purported images of the Pangu show three USB Type-A ports, one USB Type-C port and a single 3.5mm headphone jack in the front of the case. There is also room for an optical drive. The rear of the case holds four USB Type-A ports, one Ethernet port, three 3.5mm audio jacks and a D-Sub port. IThome's report states that the Pangu comes with a 23.8-inch monitor with a resolution of 1920 x 1080 and 70% NTSC color gamut.


Some perspective, the same sort of Neoverse cores can be bought from Ampere at counts of 32, 80, and 128 cores so the tech is out there if it becomes more popular over time.   ARM itself is selling a 5nm version of the same stuff as the old 7nm node has greater scrap rates than the new 5nm node, with 5nm getting better and more efficient all the time.
 
3nm is doing well in development testing, so look to see it progress right along just as soon as Apple needs a performance boost to remain "distinctive".



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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #91 - 12/02/20 at 07:43:46
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/12/qualcomm-snapdragon-888-promises-faster-cpu-an...

Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 promises 25 percent boost in performance, efficiency (among other things)



First up, the new processor is Qualcomm’s first 5nm system-on-a-chip, which the company says brings improvements to performance and efficiency. Second, it’s the first processor to incorporate ARM’s Cortex-X1 technology, with the Kryo 680 octa-core CPU featuring:

1 x 2.84 GHz highest-performance Cortex-X1 “supercore”
3 x 2.84 GHz high-performance Cortex-A78 cores
4 x 1.8 GHz efficiency Cortex-A55 cores
All told, Qualcomm says you can expect a 25-percent improvement in overall performance, and a 25-percent reduction in power consumption.

But the CPU is just one component of the Snapdragon 888 processor. Qualcomm says the new Adreno 660 GPU also brings a 35-percent boost in graphics and a 20-percent reduction in power consumption, the Spectra 580 image signal processor offers 35-percent faster performance and allows you to use a smartphone camera to capture up to 120 pictures per second at resolutions of 12MP, the Hexagon 780 AI processor brings significant improvements as well, and the new integrated Snapdragon X60 5G modem brings support for download speeds as high as 7.5 Gbps and upload speeds up to 3 Gbps using Qualcomm’s 3rd-gen 5G modem technology.

The company says its AI Engine delivers up to 26 TOPs of performance. And the company has also brought a Hypervisor to its mobile chipset for the first time, allowing for quick switching between operating systems or allowing for apps to be isolated from the base operating system for privacy or keeping work/home profiles completely separate, for example.

Other technology baked into Snapdragon 888 includes a FastConnect system with support for WiFi 6 and Bluetooth 5.2, Quick Charge 5 technology that will allow you to take a phone from a 0 to 50 percent charge in as little as 5 minutes, and support for Qualcomm’s 3D Sonic fingerprint solution.


Qualcomm is shipping 5nm chipsets in volume.   They are VERY GOOD 5nm chipsets.

Qualcomm is rocking 26 Trillion Operations Per Second of pure AI performance,
Dude, that jest makes Intel and Apple weep bloody tears, now doesn't it?


I told you them durn phone boys were gonna wanna play hard ball in this 5nm ball game ......     They got their sharp metal edged hockey sticks out and got all them narsty metal spikes on their helmets and shoulder pads too.

Blood on the grass, Dude, steaming piles of spilled guts too -- yep, you betcha ......
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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #92 - 12/05/20 at 22:51:53
 

Intel victories and setbacks time again ...


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-announces-delay-to-7nm-processors-now...


So, what is going on with Intel?   Seems likely another 2 years of nothing much will transpire until sufficient bulk 6nm production space is available from TSMC for TSMC to run all of Intel's new chiplet designs.

Intel CEO Bob Swan said the company has identified a "defect mode" in its 7nm process that caused yield degradation issues. As a result, Intel has invested in "contingency plans," which Swan later defined as including using third-party foundries. The company will also use external third-party foundries for its forthcoming 7nm Ponte Vecchio GPUs, the company's first graphics chips. Ponte Vecchio comes as a chiplet-based design and Swan clarified that production for some of the chiplets (Intel calles them tiles) will be outsourced to third parties. Swan noted the GPUs will come in late 2021 or early 2022, portending a 3 year delay beyond the original schedule for a 2021 launch in the exascale Aurora supercomputer.



DOE confirms Intel's 3 years of failures & delays


https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/doe-confirms-aurora-delayed-fronti...

Argonne's Aurora system was originally expected to be the first exascale supercomputer - a system capable of performing more than a billion billion operations per second, ie one exaflops. However, Aurora has been delayed indefinitely due to ongoing Intel manufacturing issues.

Delaying Aurora
– US Department of Energy

Industry observers have expected Aurora to be delayed ever since Intel announced in July that it was struggling to develop 7nm chips, and would delay its Ponte Vecchio GPU by at least two years.

With Aurora planned for mid-2021 and featuring GPUs that were pushed to the end of next year or into 2022, a further larger delay on the supercomputer seemed likely. But Intel kept the possibility open that it might manage to hit its deadline by relying on rival chip foundries. We now know that's not going to happen.

Department of Energy Under Secretary for Science Paul Dabbar confirmed to insideHPC that Aurora was behind schedule, and that the 1.5 exaflops Frontier supercomputer will launch first. As it uses Epyc CPUs and Radeon Instinct GPUs, both from AMD as there are no concerns about its chip roadmap.

Dabbar said that the DOE was "in discussions with Intel" about Aurora, and was looking at "different options," but claimed that he had "no degree of confidence" that the one exaflops system would launch not too long after Frontier.

It is unclear how severe Intel's 7nm production problems really are - Intel had previously suffered years of delay on its 10nm development, and in both cases Intel has consistently provided misleading information to the media about how long their delays would last.


Looks like 3 years to never, boys and girls, 3 years to never .......  

DOE has gone forward with AMD and the Epyc CPUs and Radeon Instinct GPUs for Frontier, the first American Exaflop computer, cancelling the Intel order in disgust due to Intel's repeated lies and total non-performance.
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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #93 - 12/07/20 at 07:37:01
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/12/report-apple-is-gunning-for-intel-in-the-deskt...

We already see that the older 7nm Neoverse ARM 24 core CPU (Huawei's Kunpeng 920 design) from 4 years ago is still able to kick Intel's ass today.   We should not be surprised that current modern designs from APPLE are going to do the same Intel ass kicking with the 5nm designs being most of four years more modern compared to the older 7nm Neoverse ARM 24 core designs from Huawei.


Even if all this information is accurate, it’s still a little vague on details and Apple’s plans could change in the coming months. But here are a few highlights from the Bloomberg Apple report that was cited:

According to Bloomberg, Apple could release new chips as soon as spring, 2021, with more processors coming from Apple in the fall.

Next-gen MacBook Pro laptops and iMac all-in-one desktops could be powered by chips with as many as 16 high-performance CPU cores and 4 efficiency cores (although Apple may also decided to go with  8 or 12 performance cores for the 2021 models instead).
Apple is said to be developing chips with as many as 32 high-performance CPU cores for high-end desktop computers.

The company is also developing high-performance GPUs with 64 or 128 dedicated graphics cores. This may be an optional upgrade for high-priced, high-power systems.

By comparison, the Apple M1 processor that powers the current-gen MacBook Air and 13 inch Macbook Pro is an 8-core processor featuring 4 high-performance cores and 4 efficiency cores, and it still trounces Intel’s latest laptop chips in most benchmarks.



ONCE AGAIN, AMD needs to be benchmarking this sort of stuff, not focusing on Intel any further as Intel now has an entire lineup of phone boys forming up to take their turns abusing Intel's aching buttocks with their steel toe ass kicking boots.

Up your game, AMD.   Kicking up some more on a dead Intel donkey's butt isn't nearly enough for you to be accomplishing for the next calendar year.
Dial in some AI, get yourself ready for the next big contest .......
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Reply #94 - 12/09/20 at 12:21:00
 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-essentially-confirms-5-nm-Zen-4-CPUs-and-ad...

We have noted that AMD's current release schedule was rolled forward by six months, so nothing on the attached page (or the articles beneath that page) should be a total surprise to anyone.

What is encouraging is that the 5nm node is indeed currently rolling out like gangbusters and that the 3nm node which follows the 5nm node (the one that is currently in testing) is supposedly doing very well also.

We calmly expect AMD to meet all expectations with real hardware, on time as stated.   ...... or sooner.

The fact that Intel can't ever seem to do so does not lessen our expectations that AMD and ARM will roll out on time and on spec ......


https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

CURRENT GAMING PROCESSOR RANKINGS

     1080p Gaming Score      1440p Gaming Score      CPU    Cores/Threads   Base/Boost   Watts
     
Ryzen 9 5900X      100%       100%        Zen 3      12/24    3.7 / 4.8 GH    105W      
Ryzen 9 5950X      99.77%      99.38%      Zen 3      16/32    3.4 / 4.9 GHz    105W      
Ryzen 7 5800X      97.22%      99%      Zen 3      8/16      3.8 / 4.7 GHz      105W      
Ryzen 5 5600X      96.90%      95.30%      Zen 3      6/12      3.7 / 4.6 GHz      65W      
Intel Core i9-10995 88.97%      95.30%      Comet 14nm      10/20      3.7 / 5.3 GHz      125W      
Intel Core i9-10855 87.36%      94.52%      Comet 14nm      10/20      3.6 / 5.2 GHz      95W      
Core i7-10700K      84.39%      92.05%      Comet 14nm      8/16      3.8 / 5.1 GHz      125W      
Intel Core i9-10980 83.64%      88.18%      Cascade 14nm      18/36   3.0 / 4.8 GHz      165W      
Threadripper 3960X 78.03%      82.32%      Zen 2             24/48      3.8 / 4.5 GHz      280W      
AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 77.82% 84.25%      Zen 2             16/32      3.5 / 4.7 GHz      105W      
Core i5-10600K          77.82% 86.89%      Comet 14nm      6/12      4.1 / 4.8 GHz      125W      
AMD Ryzen 9 3900 77.64%      85.29%      Zen 2      12/24      3.8 / 4.7 GHz      105W      
Ryzen 7 3800XT      77.60%      86.12%      Zen 2      8/16      3.9 / 4.7 GHz      105W      
Ryzen 7 3800X      77.08%      85.50%      Zen 2      8/16      3.9 / 4.5 GHz      105W      
Ryzen 5 3600XT      76.31%      84.97%      Zen 2      6/12      3.8 / 4.4 GHz      95W      
Ryzen 5 3600X      73.91%      82.24%      Zen 2      6/12      3.8 / 4.4 GHz      95W      
Ryzen 7 2700X      63.98%      71.64%      Zen+      8/16      3.7 / 4.3 GHz      105W      
Ryzen 5 2600X      61.99%      71.38%      Zen+      6/12      3.6 / 4.2 GHz      95W      
Ryzen 7 1800X      58.21%      65.19%      Zen      8/16      3.6 / 4.0 GHz      95W      
Ryzen 5 1600X      53.93%      62.13%      Zen      6/12      3.6 / 4.0 GHz      95W


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Reply #95 - 12/11/20 at 00:40:10
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/12/microsoft-brings-x64-emulation-to-windows-on-a...


Microsoft brings x64 emulation to Windows on ARM


Windows on ARM was supposed to deliver the best of the both worlds: the low power consumption, long battery life, and always-connected capabilities that come with ARM-based chips, and compatibility with millions of Windows applications.

In practice, it’s been more of a mixed bag. Not all Windows applications have been compatible, and performance hasn’t always been stellar.

But at least Microsoft is tackling one of those issues – the company has announced that the latest preview build of Windows 10 on ARM adds support for x64 emulation, which means that 64-bit apps designed for computers with Intel and AMD chips can now run on PCs like the Surface Pro X, which have Qualcomm Snapdragon processors.


As the ARM PC chipsets roll out this year and next, being able to run your mass of Microsoft stuff becomes relatively more important to various folks (those that will not run Linux for example).

Once again MS will charge you LOTS of money to do this, but you knew that little factoid already.
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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #96 - 12/11/20 at 22:17:49
 

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/amd-blockbuster-deal-to-acquire-xilinx

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ibm-and-amd-team-confidential-comp...

https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/01/14/the-inevitability-of-fpgas-in-the-dat...


Computing is going to be hitting several hard tech walls inside the next 5 years.  

Going forward will require NEW STANDARDS to be written for the use AI and various accelerators of all sorts since big CPU node shrinks will no longer be available to drive progress.  

5nm is rolling out now, 3 nm rolls out in two years and 1.5nm rolls in four years.

Software developers really need something KNOWN and well documented to write their upgrades against, and Intel is showing everybody the danger of a separate company rolling their own "secret standards" in this arena.

IBM has written more cooperative industry standards than anybody over the years, as well as doing more basic tech research than any other company.   IBM understands RISC computing and mainframe, having built that stuff from the concept forward for decades now.

Xilinx understands accelerators and AI and FPGAs better than anybody having invented it.

AMD knows CPU tech and graphics tech and firmly believes in developing standards by working with the best in the industry to write those general standards.

While Intel fumbles in a dark closet off on their own, look to see AMD, Xilinx and IBM begin to pull an industry standards group together.

Realize that real growth in this industry come from the data centers, not from desktop PCs.   Strategic thinking has to group around the most profitable side of your businesses, not the flashiest side of things.

IS THIS A GOOD BUSINESS MOVE FOR THE VARIOUS PARTNERS?    yes
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Reply #97 - 12/12/20 at 06:55:52
 

Reality Check:

I got a notification I had a two kernel upgrades waiting in que, the original and the major fixes reissuance due to issues that were found during original roll out.   Ths was stated as two full kernel upgrades after it went through Ubuntu and then the Mint adoption processes.

Every support package was listed twice as they all got upgraded twice (building one on the other).   Both my browsers were there, with Firefox getting triple pumped due to its own internal changes as the Linux kernel related items only got double pumped.

All my graphics this and that got at least one upgrade.   Ditto for the Libre Office and other major softwares.

Since I have been on Linux Mint, this is the biggest single update package I have ever seen come over the wire, ever.

I noted the time and started it installing.  Including the one hard reboot at the end, the entire thing took 6 minutes to do, complete.    Amazing .....

Folks, in the days of 2400 baud modems it took me half a day just to download all the raw software.   My main C: drive SSD really does make the largest difference in update speeds, as it can read and write the changes about as fast as the screen can keep up with the stuff flowing through the high speed cable modem.

Six Minutes to install a really major update .........    only one (1) hard reboot at the end.

Modern Linux Mint, ya gotta love it.



Let's look forward a bit to when 4 threads per core SMT becomes real, as you know it will happen on Linux first.   Assuming (a big ASSume here on this one) that my old Core DUO will be supported on the first wave, I will suddenly be "thread count equivalent" to just about all the windows running Intel processors from the last 15 years or so.

Not bad for my old aging dual core rag-a-muffin Dell box.


Now, looking forward to the future there is a Linux software shift coming right at you ...... lots of older packages like Flash are getting dropped by the distros and the general recommendation is now to do a separate media full install (usb preferably, DVD if you must) on your next update.

Many of you who have Timeshift installed and working have noticed that your boot media (hard drive) is getting sorta full ---- this is because you are backing up some bigger and bigger over the air updates as the system sees them as changes that must be backed up.    Plus, your old stuff and old games and all the other detritus you have built up over the years are bulging your waistline more and more .......

As I look at my stuff, I see things that I might not even bother reinstalling as I seldom if ever use them.   So a general housecleaning isn't a bad thing for me.

In any case, Linux Mint is forcing you to do a clean install between 19.3 and 20.0 because the changeover in operating system modes itself is causing some minor breakage.    Silly stuff, like wifi breaking repeatedly .......  still, no point in going there as a clean install off of media avoids all these problems.



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WARNING !!!!

Ubuntu has made a right mess of this 20.04  LTS main distribution.    Stay on Mint 19.3 until late next year at the very earliest --- do not do the 20.04 upgrade right now.

Clem apologizes for the huge rat's nest Ubuntu has gifted him with.   This clusterfook will likely cause some folks to turn away to other distributions as Mint can't fix it right now because it is still broken inside Ubuntu.   And Ubuntu is foundering around, regressing this and that and basically messing it up weekly (differently each time) making it even worse and worse.

You get current instructions to go to menu>system>passwords to fix an item ....... so you click menu>system>passwords ---  and it isn't there any more !!!   It is somewhere else now !!!

Periodically, Mint discusses leaving Ubuntu as an operating basis and one time that I can remember it got serious enough for Clem and group to actually roll out a Mint variant based on Debian Rolling Stable  (the stuff Ubuntu is based upon)  ...... and we may be there again very soon if Ubuntu cannot get their act together any better than they are doing right now.

I repeat .....

DO NOTHING ..... DO NOT UPGRADE TO MINT 20.04 AT THIS TIME.  We are promised that 20.1 will get better and that most of the way through the next 20.2 period there will be a PAINLESS automatic upgrade path from Mint 19.3 to 20.2 provided by the Mint folks.  Yep, it will take that long for Ubuntu to quit wiggling all over the place.

Having been through the current painful fix it yourself method, I recommend WAITING until Clem's automatic method is all proven out.
 



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Reply #98 - 12/15/20 at 04:22:53
 

Having gone through a rough patch with a bad Ubuntu upgrade flowing up through Mint 20.04, I now firmly realize several things.

All my separate programs are really just two items, the LibreOffice Suite (5 products) and Steam.   This old separate program stuff comes in two chunks that are discrete and each run off their own set of rules.  Both reside inside Mint's Software Manager, who takes care of installing them and keeping them up to date.   As such, I can rape and scrape my old Dell's hard drive and put it all back inside an hour.

I once had a much larger mass of older programs and older functions that I simply don't use any more.   They have all been replaced by net based stuff that is all listed in Chrome now (and I get my Chrome stuff back now instantly by logging into my Gmail account.   SuzukiSavage.com is simply one example of this general shift to the web.

The items I consider to be CRUCIAL or KEY ITEMS all come through my Gmail backed up Chrome browser bookmarks and these backed up sites and preferences are all stored for me by Chrome.   Just like my phone, all my backed up stuff is recovered through my Gmail name and password.

I really don't use MS products any more, having been jacked around by MS more than enough until I simply don't have any of it any more.

And I don't miss MS any at all either.   Wife still uses it, and she gets tired of hearing me talk about her MS being a pain in the butt when it has to be fixed.
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Reply #99 - 12/15/20 at 18:49:04
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/12/lilbits-google-acquires-company-that-lets-you-...


Google acquires company that lets you turn Windows PCs into Chromebooks



A company called Neverware has been offering software called CloudReady that lets you turn old computers into pseudo Chromebooks since 2015. But in order to do that, the company has been using software based on Chromium OS, the open source version of Chrome OS.

Now Google has acquired the company and, among other things, that means that CloudReady will eventually become an official Chrome OS release with more of the features you’d get if you bought an off-the-shelf Chromebook.

When that happens, existing users will be able to upgrade automatically, while new users will get the latest software. In the meantime, Neverware says there will be no changes to its pricing or support services — there’s a free version of CloudReady for home users, as well as Education and Enterprise editions available for $20 or $49 per year per user.


Soon you will have another good way to continue to use your old Windows hardware instead of just trashing it out .......     Wink    

It will be interesting to see how Google handles the "end of life" obsolescence issue on this stuff since a good Linux distro could keep the same hardware running just about forever.

Cloudready has been used in school systems for 6 years now to re-purpose out of date Wintel computer labs and "to extend the use life" of some out of support Chromebooks that still had sturdy hardware.   You stick a button USB drive in a free port and set the machine's BIOS to boot from USB so the kiddies get their "Chromebook" started automatically.  

School systems are not made out of money and tricks like this are appreciated by supporting teachers, IT staff, parents, etc.
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Reply #100 - 12/18/20 at 19:32:03
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/12/report-microsoft-designing-custom-arm-chips-fo...



Rumor Report: Microsoft designing custom ARM chips for servers (and maybe Surface devices)

Bloomberg reports that Microsoft is designing its own ARM-based chips for servers, and “exploring using another chip that would power some” of the company’s consumer-oriented Surface computers.

The move wouldn’t exactly be coming out of left field. Microsoft already has a version of Windows 10 designed to run on computers with ARM processors, and the company already sells Surface Pro X tablets with Microsoft SQ1 and SQ2 processors… but those chips are basically tweaked versions of Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 8cx gen 1 and gen 2 chips.

Designing its own processors would give Microsoft the ability to optimize hardware and software to work together to offer better performance, much the way Apple has been able to do with its iPhone, iPad, and now Mac processors.

Rumor has it that Google, (which already designs its own chips for servers) may also be planning to develop custom chips for its own smartphones and Chromebooks.



WHEEEEEEE now, doggie....... Look at all the people WHO DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF NVIDIA CONTROLLING ALL OF ARM's TECHNOLOGY, some big hitter folks who are now starting to roll their own ARM based chip designs.    

I bet some of these big hitter folks will use some RISC-V technology or some TENSOR technology in their chipsets for that exact same reason.

Next, the head hunters will be calling on the better ARM software engineers with some hot job offers from the big boys .......

Lastly, what do you think this sort of environment means for poor old Intel?    As ARM and RISC-V gain market share both Intel and AMD lose those potential sales units.  

Note  I now speak of "x86 sales being hurt" in general ---  not the little "shift some from Intel to AMD" effects that we have been watching over the last few years.





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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #101 - 12/20/20 at 16:13:42
 

HONEST, uncheated benchmarks between Apple, AMD and cheating liar Intel

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3600897/tested-how-apples-m1-chip-performs-ag...

This is the second page of the PCWorld article (it contains all the graphs).   Article is long to read and is complex, but the graphs show the AMD all-in-one laptops skunking Tiger Lake from Intel while slightly beating the Apple M1.

Mind you, not on all tests ---- if you want Intel style "pure gaming" results look for single thread  (short duration) performance graphs and Tiger Lake from Intel does better, but at much greater power draw current and much higher and faster heat build up numbers.   If you game for long (for over 4 minutes) the Intel advantage completely evaporates due to heat build up and extreme CPU and GPU throttling, so you have to ask yourself how real Intel marketing's "claimed advantages" really are.                     ....... i.e. not very real

Comparing the two x86 contenders against Apple M1 laptops show that M1 is a contender when using the new Cinebench R23 test that was recompiled to run native to Apple M1 standards, but this is still not a general across the board winner --- that role goes to the AMD Ryzen 4700 and 4800 APU units with 8 cores and 16 threads.

Cinebench R23 Performance

Maxon released a new version of Cinebench R23 with native M1 support, but there are some other key changes which should be mentioned as well. With Cinebench R20, the benchmark would run render a single scene and produce a score based on its completion. With Cinebench R23, the render scene is the same, but Maxon has interestingly changed it to render the same scene over and over for 10 minutes ALLOWING THE PROCESSORS AND LAPTOP THERMAL SYSTEMS TO WARM UP TO THEIR "NORMAL RUN" DEFAULT THROTTLING POINTS. The benchmark will even run beyond 10 minutes if the scene is still rendering when the timer hits zero.  

This longer test run acts to prevent some of Intel's little Intel Marketing games that took place with the older versions of Cinebench testing metrics.

Larger numbers are better on this test.
If you don't see the numbers, you are not able to see the whole bar length.

(hit your scroll bar below the post, or right click on the chart to "open image in a new tab" to see all of it in the same glance)



On a six-core Intel H-class chip, Cinebench R15 takes 34 seconds to complete while Cinebench R20 takes about 108 seconds. With Cinebench R23 it now takes a minimum of 600 seconds to run under the new method. On a desktop or workstation with far more cooling it’s not an issue, but on laptops an all-core test that runs for at least 10 minutes can be far harsher—especially on CPUs that either make more heat, or laptops with more limited cooling. It’s actually called a “throttle test” which is a different method than before for Cinebench.

None of this bothers Apple’s M1 much though. Based on TSMC’s most advanced 5nm process, it’s a stone cold killer, with Macworld reporting no fan noise at all during the run. That can’t be said of the x86 laptops, which all vary from fairly quiet to a little rackety.

The performance is impressive though, with the eight-core M1 Mac now ahead of the four-core 11th-gen Tiger Lake as well as the older six-core Core i7-10710U. But if you give Intel’s older six-core more thermal head room it’s almost dead even with the silent M1.

AMD, however, just shrugs at all this and yawns as all of its eight-core Ryzen 4700U and the various Ryzen 4800H series chips easily beat all comers when set to their performance modes and after being run for a few minutes.



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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #102 - 12/22/20 at 01:34:02
 

https://www.game-debate.com/amp/news/29310/newsAmpPage.html

Intel is getting sued for misleading investors on 7nm timetable
Written by Chad Norton on 2020-08-02

Last week we heard news of Intel delaying their 7nm chips by 6 months until late 2022 or early 2023, this resulted in a major crash of Intel’s share prices (and allowing AMD to pull ahead for the first time ever). Now, a famed US law firm is suing Intel on behalf of investors as they accuse Intel of not sharing the delay information earlier to investors.

The Hagens Berman law firm is now calling for investors to join a class-action lawsuit against Intel for investor’s fraud. The official statement reports: “The investigation centers on whether Intel misrepresented and concealed manufacturing and performance issues with its next generation 7-nanometer chips.”

Apparently, in 2019 Intel continuously claimed that their first 7-nanometer chips would start shipping in 2021, which was well received considering the continued delays to the 10nm chips and the reported doubling of area efficiency from 10nm as well. Intel repeatedly assured investors, once again reinstating the 7nm timetable. But of course, plans changed after Intel supposedly found a defect in their 7nm chips, causing the recent delay.

“We're focused on investors' losses and whether Intel misled investors about the 7nm schedule and related manufacturing issues,” said the Hagens Berman partner leading the investigation, Reed Kathrein.




It is getting really bad when your own stockholders class action sue for you consistently lying to them in stockholder's reports.      Tongue

Should the United States DOE join this class action suit since Intel lied to them repeatedly in the same time frame and cost them all the mega bucks DOE sank into the Intel Aurora Supercomputer?

Intel's false marketing of Tiger Lake is another item that is worth another class action lawsuit.   (read post directly above and directly below this one)

This is part and parcel of Intel's conscious choice of lying to people in order to get money from them.

Intel sux ........        Bob Swan's mouth did all the lying so it is Bob Swan who should be in prison right now.
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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #103 - 12/22/20 at 23:38:15
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/12/kfc-and-cooler-master-introduce-the-kfconsole-...

KFC and Cooler Master introduce the KFConsole gaming PC (no, really)

https://youtu.be/73SqN-ueP7g    

Yes, click on the YouTube and see this commercial take on exactly what you can do with all that excess Intel Tiger Lake heat.

Finger Lickn' Good, jest let Intel Tiger Lake heat that chicken up for your dining pleasure .......

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..... will next year's hotter running more powerful 10nm Rocket Lake classify as an air fryer for the french fries ????


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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #104 - 12/24/20 at 13:58:40
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/12/lilbits-mediateks-rise-an-e-ink-monitor-and-ma...


Look Ma, no Huawei anywhere ......



With a product lineup ranging from entry-level to premium chips, Qualcomm has dominated that space in recent years. But according to a new report from Counterpoint, MediaTek took the top spot for the first time in the most recent quarter.

MediaTek also has a wide range of solutions, but the company is probably better known for its mid-range chips than for its high-end solutions. And while flagship phones grab all the headlines, the truth is an awful lot of mid-range phones are sold, which certainly helped with MediaTek’s rise. Counterpoint suggests the US trade ban on Huawei probably didn’t hurt either.



Just as Intel has lost all of its crowns in PC land, Qualcomm has lost its leadership in Phone land.   Again.

Twice, actually.  Once to Huawei (who designed their own and  built them at TSMC ---- until Huawei was totally cut off by Trump's trade war) and now this time by MediaTek who designs bog standard ARM stuff and builds them at TSMC.

The oriental market does not award "best" any longer unless you are Apple, the rest of the market always goes to the best price while swinging good enough features.
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