Eegore wrote on 09/23/19 at 14:36:29:




+100

You people make me sick.

https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/red-flag-police-kill-man-who-refused-to-surre
nder-gun/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email

You were saying?

https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/red-flag-police-kill-man-who-refused-to-su...

How do you manage to get things so completely twisted??

fficials said Willis answered the door while holding a handgun.

Willis then placed the gun next to the door.

When officers began to serve him the order, Willis became irate and grabbed his gun.

It's not hard to get right.

Smart?
Or
Reasonable?
Man was defending his rights.

Was it reasonable for the Indian to choose war and death over giving up freedom and living on a reservation where they were Promised a better life?
Took me years to understand why they chose war.

And let's not lose sight of the fact that someone showed up EARLY in the morning to TAKE, by force, what a man owns, who had not a clue about it,
This isn't about how stupid or whatever HE was.
It's a dead man, because of a law that allows this approach.
Bad law,
More dead to follow.

Eegore wrote on 09/23/19 at 20:35:27:

  If you are facing multiple armed people, police or street thugs, would it make sense to try to grab your gun?.

In that situation, (which I have never been in), The FIRST thing that would come to mind,
is can I grab my gun, and shoot, before they shoot me ?

I would not be assessing/deciding if they are friend or foe.
That decision would have already been made, do to the other factors leading up to that confrontation.

When exactly in police presence is it reasonable to grab your gun after being told not to?

None, IF it is the Police.

Again I was not there.
YET, lack of info is disturbing.
And the lack of information, looks like, 'something', is not being told.

Questions not answered:
What was said, between the,
'Willis then placed the gun next to the door'
'Willis became irate and grabbed his gun'
The only thing stated was:
'When officers began to serve him the order'
What was, 'said' could be a very key factor in Willis's decision.

Who called in the, red flag law ?

Who/how was that, red flag law, verified.

The " Extreme Risk Protective Order (AKA Red Flag Law) " was served at, 5:17 in the morning.
(Are you up, awake, totally functioning at 5:17 in the morning ?)

It most certainty could be that Willis was, a danger to himself and others.
It most certainty could be that Willis should have have firearms removed, because it was verified, he was, a danger to himself and others.
(We will never know that)

Reminds me a LOT of Waco Texas !
Koresh, COULD have been taken at any time, by himself and totally UN-armed.
Yet the FBI, State Police, and the U.S. military,
CHOSE to KILL people in that complex,
by their by their Testosterone Fueled 'leader', J. Reno.

Before that, 'Ruby Ridge'.
And before that, 'Witch HUNTS' at Salem.

'Red Laws',  will be VERY poorly written, written by 'Gun Grabbers', enforced by Gun Grabbers, or Testosterone bulging people.
And will have no safety control's or verification methods.

The ability to determine, who may be a threat,
Already Exists, YET IT IS IGNORED,
as the case of several, 'mass' shootings.

So in a nut shell, 'red laws', are just ANOTHER, back door 'Gun Grab'.
And they have gained traction because, one DFI said:
'Hell Yea ...'

Eegore wrote on 09/24/19 at 09:17:44:

 No.  Multiple armed assailants in arm's reach with guns will always beat one person unarmed trying to grab a gun and shoot two.

Just the same as a person with a knife in their hand, at 21 feet, they, WILL, Stab you, (Your gun is holstered), before you can shoot them.
(Unless you are very good, and are one of the top 2-4% can 'draw' very fast)
I, and just about everyone who owns a firm knows that.
(Well except tt & Bot, who, 'Say', they own a firearm LOL).

Rephrase.
'I have determined (They are foe, by various methods), I WILL get shot, from someone who already HAS a gun in their hand.
If I do nothing, I will be shot and KILLED.
If I reach for my gun, and do whatever defensive maneuvers I know, and shoot them.
I may have a chance of surviving their shooting me.
Which is better than standing their and being KILLED while doing nothing'.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/24/19 at 14:45:01:

It depends if they (cops) are clever or not.
at 5am in the morning, there's going to be a fuss.
Get a letter, you've just won... whatever, come downtown to pick it up.
You have to go to a 'no gun' zone.
You can surrender your weapons or wait for your hearing.