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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #15 - 09/13/19 at 09:40:15
 
Serowbot wrote on 09/13/19 at 08:32:38:
I'm sure coal is much more efficient today than it used to be.
Imagine how efficient wind will be in 25 years.
The major difference is coal will run out,.. wind won't.

You can poo poo wind and solar all you want, but you'll lose in the long run...
Oil and coal will eventually become cost prohibitive, so we are smart to develop alternatives.
Given that reality, I can't see why there is even an argument here.




Because most of those on the right can't see beyond immediate profit.  The future simply does not matter.
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Reply #16 - 09/13/19 at 09:45:47
 
Serowbot wrote on 09/13/19 at 08:32:38:
Oil and coal will eventually become cost prohibitive, so we are smart to develop alternatives.

A-Yep !
Wind/Solar/Geothermal power all needs to be explored,
and one day they all will become useful.

But that is NOT today !

They need BIG time refining.
Not put into wide spread use, because of FEAR,
which the UL, FDS  Socialists are so fond of doing.



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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #17 - 09/13/19 at 09:48:45
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/13/19 at 09:45:47:
Serowbot wrote on 09/13/19 at 08:32:38:
Oil and coal will eventually become cost prohibitive, so we are smart to develop alternatives.

A-Yep !
Wind/Solar/Geothermal power all needs to be explored,
and one day they all will become useful.

But that is NOT today !

They need BIG time refining.
Not put into wide spread use, because of FEAR,
which the UL, FDS  Socialists are so fond of doing.



So the tell us mn - how do you "refine" them without implementation and finding out how to make them better?

It's like building a motorcycle from scratch, but not starting or testing it before you sell it.

Oh wait - are you afraid of the wind cancer?......
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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #18 - 09/14/19 at 08:30:15
 
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Good News: Green Energy Boom Leads To Massive Release On Most Powerful Greenhouse Gas
September 14, 2019 – 10:30 am
Obviously, we could solve this with a tax

World’s most powerful greenhouse gas on the rise ‘due to green energy boom’

The most powerful known greenhouse gas has been leaking into the Earth’s atmosphere due to the green energy boom, it was reported on Friday night.

Sulphur hexafluoride, or SF6, is widely used in the electrical industry to prevent short circuits and accidents.

It is 23,500 times more warming than carbon dioxide (CO2), and just one kilogram warms the Earth as much as 24 people flying London to New York return.

The drive to use mixed sources of power, including wind, solar and gas, rather than coal as fuel has resulted in a rise in the number of electrical devices that use SF6, the BBC said.

A study from the University of Cardiff found that across all transmission and distribution networks, the amount used was increasing by 30-40 tonnes per year.

Emissions of the gas in the UK and the rest of the EU in 2017 were the equivalent of putting an extra 1.3million cars on the road.

“As renewable projects are getting bigger and bigger, we have had to use it within wind turbines specifically,” Costa Pirgousis, an engineer with Scottish Power Renewables, told the BBC.

And it’s only going to get worse. Good job, Warmists! And, there is no replacement for SF6.

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Reply #19 - 09/14/19 at 10:06:27
 
“… leaks of the little-known gas in the UK and the rest of the EU in 2017 were the equivalent of putting an extra 1.3 million cars on the road…”
“…It is widely used across the industry, from large power stations to wind turbines to electrical sub-stations in towns and cities. It prevents electrical accidents and fires…”
“…the significant downside to using the gas is that it has the highest global warming potential of any known substance. It is 23,500 times more warming than carbon dioxide (CO2)…”
"..."As renewable projects are getting bigger and bigger, we have had to use it within wind turbines specifically"..."

"..."What we've seen is that the levels have increased substantially, and we've seen almost a doubling of the atmospheric concentration in the last two decades."..."


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with organ music playing in the background)


tt has, ignored, the FACT that today's electric cars are Not as, ‘Green’, as today's Gas/Diesel cars.
Will tt also IGNORE, these Facts ?
Tune in tomorrow to find out if tt stills buys the, Electric Car !


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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #20 - 09/14/19 at 16:47:02
 
It may be true that Gas and oil could run out ,but their are MUCH larger deposits of coal. the problem is burning it cleanly .
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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #21 - 09/14/19 at 17:33:09
 
Bill Clinton made getting the cleanest coal in America
Off Limits..

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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #22 - 09/15/19 at 19:51:04
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/14/19 at 10:06:27:
tt has, ignored, the FACT that today's electric cars are Not as, ‘Green’, as today's Gas/Diesel cars.
Will tt also IGNORE, these Facts ?
Tune in tomorrow to find out if tt stills buys the, Electric Car !



Sorry mn, but you're wrong - again.  We've already proved that.

The entire lifecycle of a fossil fuel car uses fossil fuel.

The production chain is the same for both.

Therefore, the electric car is FAR MORE GREEN than a gas/diesel car.



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Reply #23 - 09/15/19 at 19:51:33
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/14/19 at 17:33:09:
Bill Clinton made getting the cleanest coal in America
Off Limits..




There is no such thing as "clean coal".
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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #24 - 09/15/19 at 23:00:09
 
You don't read well at all.
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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #25 - 09/16/19 at 06:05:33
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/15/19 at 23:00:09:
You don't read well at all.


"Bill Clinton made getting the cleanest coal in America
Off Limits.."


You wrote that, not me.

There is no such thing as "clean coal".

You righties use that term to describe anthracite - and it's completely misleading.

Again, there is no such thing as "clean coal".  The only "clean" part of the coal burning process comes at the stack and how the power companies trap or dump the gasses.


So, thanks for your concern jog - but I can read and comprehend just fine.

You may want to actually learn something instead of verbal vomiting out right wing talking points and calling them gospel.
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Reply #26 - 09/16/19 at 09:40:06
 
T And T Garage wrote on 09/15/19 at 19:51:04:
The entire lifecycle of a fossil fuel car uses fossil fuel.

Please explain what a 'elect' car uses it's, entire lifecycle ?,
Also please explain How is the, electric, that elect car uses, made ?
Also please explain, what happens to the old battery in that Elect car ?
Also explain, what materials are needed to go into making the 'huge' battery ?
Also explain how those materials are gathered.
Also explain how the, 'Plastic' which encompasses far more on a elect car is made ?
Etc,etc,etc,

Point is, Not in 1883, not in 1920, not in 1970, and not Today !

However tomorrow, could be.
If the UL  FDS Socialists stop, SCARING everybody.
So the people that do the research,
can actually get some work done.

Instead of defending the,
UL  FDS Socialists,
who are, JUST, SCARING everybody,
to Benefit their OWN pocket.


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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #27 - 09/16/19 at 10:21:52
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/16/19 at 09:40:06:
T And T Garage wrote on 09/15/19 at 19:51:04:
The entire lifecycle of a fossil fuel car uses fossil fuel.

Please explain what a 'elect' car uses it's, entire lifecycle ?,  Not sure about "elect car, but an electric car uses electricity for its power.

Also please explain How is the, electric, that elect car uses, made ?  In many ways - coal, natural gas, solar, wind.  Whereas a gasoline powered car only uses gasoline.

Also please explain, what happens to the old battery in that Elect car ? It can be refurbished, recycled. (can you recycle gas after it's burned?..lol)

Also explain, what materials are needed to go into making the 'huge' battery ?  The minerals used are nickel, lithium, lead, cobalt and cadmium.

Also explain how those materials are gathered. Mining, recycling.

Also explain how the, 'Plastic' which encompasses far more on a elect car is made ?  There are no more plastics in an electric car than a conventional car - especially in late model cars.
Etc,etc,etc,

Point is, Not in 1883, not in 1920, not in 1970, and not Today !

However tomorrow, could be.
If the UL  FDS Socialists stop, SCARING everybody.
So the people that do the research,
can actually get some work done.

Instead of defending the,
UL  FDS Socialists,
who are, JUST, SCARING everybody,
to Benefit their OWN pocket.



I'm well aware of what you're trying to prove - and you ain't gonna do it.

Here you go, genius:

http://electrek.co/2019/04/22/study-electric-cars-dirtier-diesel-debunked/

http://medium.com/predict/electric-cars-are-they-actually-cleaner-99c184cd5dfa

http://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/19/electric-car-well-to-wheel-emissions-myth/


Those who oppose electric cars like to say that electric cars create more emissions during manufacturing than conventional cars do. And you know what? They’re right! The UCS found that “Manufacturing a midsized EV with an 84-mile range results in about 15% more emissions than manufacturing an equivalent gasoline vehicle. For larger, longer-range EVs that travel more than 250 miles per charge, the manufacturing emissions can be as much as 68% higher.”

Wow! 68% higher. That’s a lot, huh? So, it’s true, electric cars are dirtier than conventional cars, right? Well, actually, no. The UCS report goes on to say, “These differences change as soon as the cars are driven. EVs are powered by electricity, which is generally a cleaner energy source than gasoline. Battery electric cars make up for their higher manufacturing emissions within eighteen months of driving — shorter range models can offset the extra emissions within 6 months — and continue to outperform gasoline cars until the end of their lives.”

That brings us to emissions created by driving. For more information on that, we turn to a report from the Vehicle Technologies Office of the US Department of Energy. It says:

“An all-electric vehicle (EV) does not produce emissions from the tailpipe, but there are upstream emissions (also called well-to-wheel emissions) of greenhouse gases from electricity production. Using electricity production data by source and state, the Alternative Fuels Data Center has estimated the annual carbon dioxide (CO2)-equivalent emissions of a typical EV.

“EVs charging in Vermont are estimated to produce the fewest emissions – oil and gas make up only 1.2% of the electricity sources in the state while cleaner sources such as nuclear, hydro, biomass, wind, and solar make up the rest. West Virginia’s electricity production is 95.7% from coal, making it the state with the most well-to-wheel CO2-equivalent emissions.

“The national average is 4,815 pounds of CO2-equivalent emissions for a typical EV per year as compared to the average gasoline-powered car which produces 11,435 pounds of CO2-equivalent emissions annually.”

So, there it is. On average, a conventional car creates more the twice as much carbon pollution as an electric car. Even in the state that gets almost all of its electricity from burning coal, an EV still pollutes less than a typical conventional car. Assuming a 10 year useful life, an average conventional car will spew out 66,000 pounds more carbon pollution than an average electric vehicle. That’s 33 tons, folks.

When either a conventional car or an electric car reaches the end of its useful life, both require about the same amount of energy to dispose of. But electric car batteries can be repurposed for other non-automotive uses like residential and commercial electrical storage, or the materials inside can be recycled for new batteries or other uses, which means the batteries will continue to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide going into the atmosphere long after the car they started out powering is no longer on the road. It’s been said that 95-99% of the material in EV batteries can be recycled. Tesla plans to take back batteries, take them apart, and use the materials to create new batteries all in the same factory. Well-to-wheel emissions studies pretty much never take this reuse or recycling into account.

Another important point to remember is that many drivers can put solar panels on their roof to power their electric cars. In fact, CleanTechnica research has found 28–42% of electric car drivers have rooftop solar, and another newer report of ours pinned it down to 32%. Of course, it all depends on regional and individual factors (YMMV), but a large portion of today’s electric car drivers are indeed driving on sunlight, not coal.

So, where do these myths come from? A lot of them can be traced directly to Charles and David Koch, the dynamic duo of disaster who like to use their considerable wealth to buy Congressmen and governors who will do their bidding. Those fun-loving Koch boys are the same people funding the war on climate science. But now that you have the necessary information, you don’t have to fall for their tricks anymore.

The truth of the matter is that electric cars pollute far less than conventional cars over their lifetime.
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Reply #28 - 09/16/19 at 16:11:29
 
T And T Garage wrote on 09/16/19 at 10:21:52:
I'm well aware of what you're trying to prove - and you ain't gonna do it.

From places that are very will known for utilizing loaded words, and making attempts to influence an audience by using emotion and stereotypes, to favor liberal causes.

Talk about 'Spewing' !
Regurgitating 1/2 truths, and garbage !

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Re: Well that's a bummer
Reply #29 - 09/16/19 at 16:16:09
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/16/19 at 16:11:29:
T And T Garage wrote on 09/16/19 at 10:21:52:
I'm well aware of what you're trying to prove - and you ain't gonna do it.

From places that are very will known for utilizing loaded words, and making attempts to influence an audience by using emotion and stereotypes, to favor liberal causes.

Talk about 'Spewing' !
Regurgitating 1/2 truths, and garbage !



mn - you go ahead and say what you want - but you're wrong.  100% wrong.

I present facts, not emotions.  You got schooled.

Move on.

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