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Reply #30 - 09/16/19 at 17:44:32
 
mn - you go ahead and say what you want - but you're wrong.  100% wrong.

I present facts, not emotions.  You got schooled.

Move on.


Says the guy who believes anything negative he reads about Kavanaugh based completely on emotions and ignores all the facts. You've been schooled so many times on the Kavanaugh, you'd think you would have graduated by now. Move on.
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Reply #31 - 09/17/19 at 04:55:39
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/16/19 at 17:44:32:
mn - you go ahead and say what you want - but you're wrong.  100% wrong.

I present facts, not emotions.  You got schooled.

Move on.


Says the guy who believes anything negative he reads about Kavanaugh based completely on emotions and ignores all the facts. You've been schooled so many times on the Kavanaugh, you'd think you would have graduated by now. Move on.



Care to comment on this actual thread?  You gonna try and tell me that a conventional car is cleaner than an electric?

Now stop crying about your boyfriend brett.
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Reply #32 - 09/17/19 at 08:03:16
 
Care to comment on this actual thread?  You gonna try and tell me that a conventional car is cleaner than an electric?

Why would I do that? Facts don't matter to you.

Now stop crying about your boyfriend brett.

What are you trying to say? Are you judging my sexual orientation?
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Reply #33 - 09/17/19 at 08:35:36
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/17/19 at 08:03:16:
Care to comment on this actual thread?  You gonna try and tell me that a conventional car is cleaner than an electric?

Why would I do that? Facts don't matter to you.

LOL - oh really?  Tell me mark - how is it that electric cars are "dirtier" than gas cars?  I'd love to see your "facts".

Now stop crying about your boyfriend brett.

What are you trying to say? Are you judging my sexual orientation?


Not at all - why are you so touchy about it?  Man-crush much?  LOL
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Reply #34 - 09/17/19 at 08:44:40
 
Care to comment on this actual thread?  You gonna try and tell me that a conventional car is cleaner than an electric?

Why would I do that? Facts don't matter to you.

LOL - oh really?  Tell me mark - how is it that electric cars are "dirtier" than gas cars?  I'd love to see your "facts".


I think it's well known that the infrastructure required to support a world with electric vehicles has an unknown X-factor in play. You and AOC may think electricity just magically appears, but the realities behind charging the billions of batteries required to move vehicles is a bit more complicated. If anyone tries to tell you a world of electric vehicles guarantees a cleaner world, they're lying.

Man-crush much?  LOL   Are you saying there's something wrong with a man-crush?
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Reply #35 - 09/17/19 at 09:04:30
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/17/19 at 08:44:40:
I think it's well known that the infrastructure required to support a world with electric vehicles has an unknown X-factor in play. You and AOC may think electricity just magically appears, but the realities behind charging the billions of batteries required to move vehicles is a bit more complicated. If anyone tries to tell you a world of electric vehicles guarantees a cleaner world, they're lying.


LOL - yeah, I'm laughing at you.  An electric car is far and away more "clean" than a gasoline one.  Forget that it doesn't burn fossil fuels its entire lifespan - there is practically zero maintenance.  No dead lead-acid batteries, no discarded oil, no filters in the landfills, etc.  

Also, as these cars get older, they actually get more efficient via software - I've seen it firsthand in my friend's Tesla.

Yeah, mark, the realities behind electricity are indeed "complicated".  The fact is (yes, fact) there is more green-energy being produced now than ever before.  The OP from jog tries to poo poo on it, but he failed.  Wind, solar, tidal, and good old water are going to replace coal and natural gas (and even your precious nuclear).

But you go ahead and keep vomiting up the right wing lies of how the electric car is dirtier.  Oh, and make sure and stay away from the "windmills"... they'll give you cancer!  LMAO







Man-crush much?  LOL   Are you saying there's something wrong with a man-crush?
. Nope - You do you mark.
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Reply #36 - 09/17/19 at 09:15:06
 
Would you like to respond to the many scientist and engineers who project that switching tailpipe emissions to powerplants and the very dirty industry of battery manufacturing is basically even at best and a net loss at worse?

How would you store energy generated during off peak hours for use when demand increases? Do you have a storage technology that is effective, carbon neutral and able to be located in high use areas?
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Reply #37 - 09/17/19 at 09:15:43
 
Man-crush much?  LOL   Are you saying there's something wrong with a man-crush? . Nope - You do you mark.

Something you want to tell me....
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Reply #38 - 09/17/19 at 09:25:47
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/17/19 at 09:15:06:
Would you like to respond to the many scientist and engineers who project that switching tailpipe emissions to powerplants and the very dirty industry of battery manufacturing is basically even at best and a net loss at worse?

I'd love to see your sources for that.  I'll respond accordingly.

How would you store energy generated during off peak hours for use when demand increases? Do you have a storage technology that is effective, carbon neutral and able to be located in high use areas?


Today, not really.  Although Musk put a battery array in Australia that worked wonders.

http://www.sciencealert.com/remember-the-giant-tesla-battery-in-australia-it-...

But there ain't anything like that on the fossil fuel side either.  And before you raving about nuclear - it's trade-offs with waste are a game killer.


I can do this all day....
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Reply #39 - 09/17/19 at 09:36:54
 
Have you ever been in any large manufacturing plant?
Have you ever been to a power generation facility of any kind, coal, gas, etc...
Do you know how power is really generated and transported to dissemination points?




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Reply #40 - 09/17/19 at 09:51:23
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/17/19 at 09:36:54:
Have you ever been in any large manufacturing plant?
Have you ever been to a power generation facility of any kind, coal, gas, etc...
Do you know how power is really generated and transported to dissemination points?


Manufacturing plant - yep.  Power generation plant - nope.

What difference does that make?  Why does my presence affect the reality we live in?

Is that a reason to dispute the fact that renewables are now accounting for over 17% of all power generation in the US?  (nuclear is only about 19%.)
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Reply #41 - 09/17/19 at 10:07:44
 
Tell you what, I'll do you a favor you don't deserve. I'll let you off the hook on this topic. This is a field I lived and breathed in for a number of years. I've dealt with many people and companies  in this area of power generation and dissemination. I don't need to do a Google search.

For years and years to come, if not generations, switching to electric powered vehicles will be a net gain for greenhouse gases in general. You can't comprehend the vastness of the manufacturing base required to produce these vehicles which will operate using current technology for their energy source.  A single example.  Electric vehicles demand low weight. Aluminum will become a much more common building material. Unfortunately aluminum does not grow on trees. The energy required to produce the extra aluminum required is enormous. You are not going to mine aluminum, transported to a smelting operation, produced the material and transported to the converters who will produce usable component pieces for automobiles from electricity generated by windmills.

Likewise with carbon fiber.  Yes, it's a very lightweight and strong material but an extreme energy hog to produce. Do you have any idea of the temperatures involved to convert acrylic to carbon fiber? And that's only half the battle because you still have to put it into some usable matrix form  which involves a whole other series of manufacturing techniques that require enormous energy.

There are hundreds of such challenges in the manufacturing chain required to make this switch.

You and AOC can talk all day  and you'll get all the publicity but at the end of the day it's not going to happen. Not without nuclear anyway.
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Reply #42 - 09/17/19 at 15:23:05
 
T And T Garage wrote on 09/17/19 at 04:55:39:
Now stop crying about your boyfriend brett.  
Man-crush much

WOW, are YOU ever RACIST !

Being such a lover of AOC & BS,
one would think you would NOT be so Racist !

Words from a Socialist,
who believes everybody that is not, LOCK STEP,
with a Socialist view, is a hypocrite.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #43 - 09/18/19 at 09:56:57
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/17/19 at 10:07:44:
Tell you what, I'll do you a favor you don't deserve. I'll let you off the hook on this topic. This is a field I lived and breathed in for a number of years. I've dealt with many people and companies  in this area of power generation and dissemination. I don't need to do a Google search.

LOL - "let me off the hook"?  What you actually mean,  is that you'll concede that I'm right.  Thanks.

For years and years to come, if not generations, switching to electric powered vehicles will be a net gain for greenhouse gases in general. You can't comprehend the vastness of the manufacturing base required to produce these vehicles which will operate using current technology for their energy source.  A single example.  Electric vehicles demand low weight. Aluminum will become a much more common building material. Unfortunately aluminum does not grow on trees. The energy required to produce the extra aluminum required is enormous. You are not going to mine aluminum, transported to a smelting operation, produced the material and transported to the converters who will produce usable component pieces for automobiles from electricity generated by windmills.

Hey mark - um, ALL cars, whether gas or electric will need these metals.  Duh.  So here's an idea - let's use a fuel in those cars that DOESN'T require more fossil fuels.

Likewise with carbon fiber.  Yes, it's a very lightweight and strong material but an extreme energy hog to produce. Do you have any idea of the temperatures involved to convert acrylic to carbon fiber? And that's only half the battle because you still have to put it into some usable matrix form  which involves a whole other series of manufacturing techniques that require enormous energy.

Yeah - again, see above....

There are hundreds of such challenges in the manufacturing chain required to make this switch.

You and AOC can talk all day  and you'll get all the publicity but at the end of the day it's not going to happen. Not without nuclear anyway.


For Christ's sake mark - we went from the first powered flight to the Moon in 70 years - you honestly think the difficulty in getting off oil is technological???  That's hilarious!  It's 100% political and you know it.  And if you don't, then that's pretty f-ing sad.

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Reply #44 - 09/18/19 at 09:57:34
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/17/19 at 15:23:05:
T And T Garage wrote on 09/17/19 at 04:55:39:
Now stop crying about your boyfriend brett.  
Man-crush much

WOW, are YOU ever RACIST !

Being such a lover of AOC & BS,
one would think you would NOT be so Racist !

Words from a Socialist,
who believes everybody that is not, LOCK STEP,
with a Socialist view, is a hypocrite.




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