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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9011 Minn Gender:	Re: Be optimistic...... Reply #15 - 06/19/19 at 12:02:13 T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 10:34:49: Sero, being an atheist, has to hold himself to a higher standard What is, the standard for believing in, *'Not Believing In'* ?
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Be optimistic...... Reply #17 - 06/19/19 at 12:49:09 MnSpring wrote on 06/19/19 at 12:02:13: T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 10:34:49: Sero, being an atheist, has to hold himself to a higher standard What is, the standard for believing in, *'Not Believing In'* ? Your post is moot. Read Sero's response.
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Re: Be optimistic......
Reply #18 - 06/19/19 at 13:31:32

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 12:49:09:

MnSpring wrote on 06/19/19 at 12:02:13:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 10:34:49:

Sero, being an atheist, has to hold himself to a higher standard

What is, the standard for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ?

Your post is moot.

Read Sero's response.

Do you care explain?

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Reply #19 - 06/19/19 at 13:41:37

verslagen1 wrote on 06/19/19 at 13:31:32:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 12:49:09:

MnSpring wrote on 06/19/19 at 12:02:13:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 10:34:49:

Sero, being an atheist, has to hold himself to a higher standard

What is, the standard for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ?

Your post is moot.

Read Sero's response.

Do you care explain?

Not really... but in case you didn't know:

moot
/mo͞ot/

-having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision.

mn's question is without any merit and, given his history, will do no good to explain why I feel the way I do about morality.

If you can't gather that from the history of his posts, then I don't know what to tell you.

Sero's post hits the nail on the head as to how I feel.

BTW - this is an example of me taking the high road. (if you don't have anything nice to say - then don't say anything at all...)

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9011 Minn Gender:	Re: Be optimistic...... Reply #20 - 06/19/19 at 13:49:27 T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 13:41:37: mn's question is without any merit So, by your subterfuge, their is NO standard, for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? OBTW. Did you know, AOC, is without any merit !
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Reply #21 - 06/19/19 at 14:21:30

MnSpring wrote on 06/19/19 at 13:49:27:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 13:41:37:

mn's question is without any merit

So, by your subterfuge, their is NO standard,
for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ?

OBTW.
Did you know, AOC,
is without any merit !

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So, by your subterfuge, their is NO standard,
for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ?

Seriously, what the hell does that even mean? How am I deceiving you in any way? I might be avoiding you, but not deceiving...

You may want to look up the meaning of the word "subterfuge".... oh, and work on the the whole "their" thing too.

But you know what? I'll take my valuable time to answer your question mn....

The way I see it is this - if a Christian makes a mistake like swearing or whatever they might consider a "sin" - their easy out is "well gee, I'm a sinner and the Lord will forgive me"...

In the case of an Atheist, they have no one to fall back on. They can't just say "Gee, I'm a sinner" - they have to defend themselves - rationalize it in the real world.

Example - a Christian gets angry at his kid and yells and screams and swears. Later on, they talk and he tells his kid "I'm sorry, Lord knows I'm trying to be a better person, but I'm just a sinner and I'm praying God will help me with my temper - can you forgive me?"

An Atheist gets angry at his kid and yells and screams and swears. Later on, they talk and he tells his kid "I'm sorry, I'm trying to be a better person, but I realize I have to work harder to control myself - can you forgive me?"

See the difference?

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Re: Be optimistic......
Reply #22 - 06/19/19 at 14:54:38

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 13:41:37:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/19/19 at 13:31:32:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 12:49:09:

MnSpring wrote on 06/19/19 at 12:02:13:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 10:34:49:

Sero, being an atheist, has to hold himself to a higher standard

What is, the standard for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ?

Your post is moot.

Read Sero's response.

Do you care explain?

Not really... but in case you didn't know:

moot
/mo͞ot/

-having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision.

mn's question is without any merit and, given his history, will do no good to explain why I feel the way I do about morality.

If you can't gather that from the history of his posts, then I don't know what to tell you.

Sero's post hits the nail on the head as to how I feel.

BTW - this is an example of me taking the high road. (if you don't have anything nice to say - then don't say anything at all...)

Your declaration of 'moot' is moot.
You have no character at all.

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Reply #23 - 06/19/19 at 14:58:53

verslagen1 wrote on 06/19/19 at 14:54:38:

Your declaration of 'moot' is moot.
You have no character at all.

What do you mean by that? If anything, I have an abundance of character - that's what drives you conservatives nuts!!

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But hey, nice personal insult ya got there vers - Way to stoop so low.

Hey, next time someone blames me for "ruining this forum", I'll be sure to bring up this post.

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Re: Be optimistic......
Reply #24 - 06/19/19 at 15:13:49

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 14:58:53:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/19/19 at 14:54:38:

Your declaration of 'moot' is moot.
You have no character at all.

What do you mean by that? If anything, I have an abundance of character - that's what drives you conservatives nuts!!

Grin

But hey, nice personal insult ya got there vers - Way to stoop so low.

Hey, next time someone blames me for "ruining this forum", I'll be sure to bring up this post.

SHM

Nice deflection, you don't have the character to answer the question.
But you have ruined the forum by your failure.

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Reply #25 - 06/19/19 at 15:17:51

verslagen1 wrote on 06/19/19 at 15:13:49:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 14:58:53:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/19/19 at 14:54:38:

Your declaration of 'moot' is moot.
You have no character at all.

What do you mean by that? If anything, I have an abundance of character - that's what drives you conservatives nuts!!

Grin

But hey, nice personal insult ya got there vers - Way to stoop so low.

Hey, next time someone blames me for "ruining this forum", I'll be sure to bring up this post.

SHM

Nice deflection, you don't have the character to answer the question.
But you have ruined the forum by your failure.

Oh... so you didn't read my response to mn, huh? (just scroll up a little)

Look in the mirror before you judge me vers.

In fact, no - here's my response that I posted before your pathetic behaviour:

But you know what? I'll take my valuable time to answer your question mn....

The way I see it is this - if a Christian makes a mistake like swearing or whatever they might consider a "sin" - their easy out is "well gee, I'm a sinner and the Lord will forgive me"...

In the case of an Atheist, they have no one to fall back on. They can't just say "Gee, I'm a sinner" - they have to defend themselves - rationalize it in the real world.

Example - a Christian gets angry at his kid and yells and screams and swears. Later on, they talk and he tells his kid "I'm sorry, Lord knows I'm trying to be a better person, but I'm just a sinner and I'm praying God will help me with my temper - can you forgive me?"

An Atheist gets angry at his kid and yells and screams and swears. Later on, they talk and he tells his kid "I'm sorry, I'm trying to be a better person, but I realize I have to work harder to control myself - can you forgive me?"

See the difference?

A decent person would apologize.... but I don't see that happening.

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Reply #26 - 06/19/19 at 15:33:53

Are you wearing any clothes made of more than one kind of fabric?
Do you ever shave or cut your hair?
Have you ever heard someone take the Lord's name in vain? If so, did you stone that person?
Have you ever worked on the Sabbath? (Mowed the lawn, did some laundry, maybe made dinner?)
Do you like a nice, juicy steak? Do you know what that juice is? Blood.
Have you ever touched bacon?
How about seafood?

These are sins the God tells you not to do.
Why do you do them?...
"Oh, that's Old Testament... We ignore that."
Why?
Was God just kidding with the Old Testament?
When Jesus walked around telling people how to be,... he was basing his morality on the Old Testament... (That's all there was)
Did Jesus wear mix blend clothes?... did he eat shellfish?... Pork?...

Why do you choose to ignore these moral codes?
You choose to do so based on your personal morality.
Not what God said, not what Jesus said,... what you believe.
..and that's basically what I believe.
Do you stone gays or fornicators to death?... Do you beat your wives or slaves?... your children?...
Why not?...
Your personal moral code doesn't agree with it.
You are choosing to disobey God because of your personal moral code, and I commend you.
Now lookie there... you are moral in spite of God.

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Reply #27 - 06/19/19 at 15:54:17

"Ray can be attacked as being hypocritical to his belief system because he has stated a belief system."

I don't think its the "belief" system that is the issue. I would have the same exact question if he said he was an Atheist that looked for the best in people. The religion is not in question, the action is.

Its the words, correlated to the actions that I question. Being Christian means nothing.

"Ray has opened himself up to attack on two levels, everyone else on one."

This only applies if anyone assesses words and religion separately, which makes no sense. Why he says them is irrelevant, its what he says that is evaluated, this goes for all humans capable of saying things.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Be optimistic...... Reply #28 - 06/19/19 at 16:02:30 "He who speaks one thing and does another, speaks with forked tongue"... We call that hypocrisy. Yes,... I made that quote up...
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9011 Minn Gender:	Re: Be optimistic...... Reply #29 - 06/19/19 at 16:04:57 T And T Garage wrote on 06/19/19 at 14:58:53: But hey, nice personal insult ya got there Gollie Gee. Seems to me, You have called lotta of people a lotta names. A Lotta of times. Especially when they do NOT agree with you. But that's OK, cause it is: without any merit
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