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Title: Be optimistic...... Post by raydawg on 06/18/19 at 05:40:00 Go forward confidently, energetically attacking problems, expecting favorable outcomes. - Norman Vincent Peale The people whom I have seen succeed best in life have always been cheerful and hopeful people who went about their business with a smile on their faces. - Charles Kingsley No Christian can be a pessimist, for Christianity is a system of radical optimism. - William Ralph Inge Dear Lord, I will look for the best in other people, I will expect the best from You, and I will try my best to do my best—today and every day. Amen |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Eegore on 06/18/19 at 11:54:42 Does starting threads for the sole purpose of attacking another member part of that "I will look for the best in other people," fit into this idea? |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Serowbot on 06/18/19 at 12:22:27 ;D |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by raydawg on 06/18/19 at 14:41:09 6444464E5344210 wrote:
Sorry, ya gotta explain that a little better, if ya want a answer.... :) |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Eegore on 06/18/19 at 17:00:03 You started a thread on here with the sole purpose of making fun of another member. Is that action conducive, representative, or otherwise similar to the proposed concept of "I will look for the best in other people" or " I will try my best to do my best"? Does denigrating others match the action of looking for the best in them? |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by raydawg on 06/18/19 at 17:42:55 What post was that? Can you refresh my memory, since you seem to know exactly what it is/was. Maybe its not even necessary, as I can tell you in no way am I saying I'm perfect, without fault, and not fallen prey to those very things myself. If people want to project that about me, from what I post, and more importantly, what they perceive from it..... Well, that is out of my hands, nothing I can do about that. I have no idea why someone would want to cling on to negativity, like pointing out others hypocrisy, etc, while totally ignoring their own, which of course, they say they have none.....WHICH, is what I GUESS you are trying to assign to me ;D Thanks buddy....keep me on my toes! :) Does denigrating others match the action of looking for the best in them? Like you? ;D ;D ;D Kind of a circle argument/observation, eh? |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Eegore on 06/18/19 at 20:09:32 "Like you?" Not at all. I've never claimed I look for the best in others. I have also never made a thread exclusively to make fun of another member. I am just wondering if there is a way to rationalize the statement with the actions. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by raydawg on 06/18/19 at 21:30:17 032321293423460 wrote:
Hhhmmmmm.....really, just so Blasé, you must be fun in the sack ;D Yeah, actions would be good if followed through, that's a given. Its a good question, fair enough, as intentions if not acted upon, are pretty useless, if that is as far as it gets. Like saying I am open-minded, and tolerant, of others.....as long as you don't disagree with me. Then you deserve to be called out ;D Mostly, I think praying/meditation, is a tool to get ones own focus, thinking, reasoning, dialed in..... Once you get above the selfish plane, hopefully your vision will be more clear. Did you have a certain post in mind that prompted this question? I'd like to see the context in which it was shared, if you do. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 05:50:45 OK - c'mon ray. You know exactly what post Eegore is referring to. I think it may have been deleted, but it was a post started by you to take a shot at me about what my initials stand for. You called me out specifically to berate me. Yet you never admitted guilt, nor apologized. Then you post all these religious quotes and tell us all how we must "look to God" or whatever. It's just all so hypocritical. That's why no one can take them (or you) serious. ("Hhhmmmmm.....really, just so Blasé, you must be fun in the sack" - case in point) Eegore is the only one on here that can stick to his logic and carry it through each topic he chooses to chime in on. Now - please continue to post whatever you like - but don't throw rocks at others when you live in the biggest glass house and not expect a few cracks. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/19 at 06:57:10 Wanting to BE something And sometimes falling short Human Setting the bar higher than one can always clear Optimistic I watch lefties never fail to clear the bar of their moral and ethical values for themselves. I know they Know it exists Because they are quick to point it out. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 07:54:08 37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:
And I've watched conservatives on this very forum complain about name-calling other members, and then do that same thing a week later, so..... |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Serowbot on 06/19/19 at 07:55:40 Followers of religions that strongly prohibit suicide, like Christianity and Islam, have a higher suicide rate than those religions which have no strong prohibition (e.g. Buddhism and Hinduism.) http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_fact.htm |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Eegore on 06/19/19 at 08:29:03 "Hhhmmmmm.....really, just so Blasé, you must be fun in the sack" I don't interact intimately with people. "Did you have a certain post in mind that prompted this question? I'd like to see the context in which it was shared, if you do. " Yes I did, I am not going to fabricate a false incident to question an event that never happened. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1557325909 |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/19/19 at 10:17:55 While I agree there was no good reason for Ray's post, there is a bigger point which I've brought up before. Ray can be attacked as being hypocritical to his belief system because he has stated a belief system. On this same thread, Sew posted some link presumably showing an higher incident of suicides among those groups who profess a similar belief system as Ray. Sew has no belief system which he could be label as acting hypocritically against it. Had Ray posted a link showing a higher suicide rate among atheist, Sew and gang could/would have immediately jumped all over Ray. Now, you could say Sew, who has pleaded for civility, is acting hypocritically for posting the link to begin with because it was solely intended as an attack on Ray. But that's limited to his actions on this forum, not in the real world. Should Ray stoop to the gutter level of someone like TT? No, he should not. But, again I'd point out Ray has opened himself up to attack on two levels, everyone else on one. Bottom line for Ray; you are going to be attacked for any reason, valid or not, so there's no need to toss the first grenade. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 10:34:49 350700111607102F031009620 wrote:
No he's not mark. In fact, no one has "attacked" ray for anything. If he wants to post words of inspiration, so be it. But you can't do that and not expect some questions about his reverence - given his recent "attack" on me. What Eegore asked of ray was simple and logical. If you and ray are so offended, that's on you two, not Eegore (or anyone else). |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by MnSpring on 06/19/19 at 12:02:13 415F50515C415A47350 wrote:
What is, the standard for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Serowbot on 06/19/19 at 12:21:12 Being Christian does not make you a victim. Posting Christian dogma does open you up to critique. Eegore could be the most devout Christian here,... but he keeps his beliefs to himself. Or he could be an atheist. This exposes him to nothing. The purpose of this forum is debate, not proselytizing... |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 12:49:09 5675486B6972757C1B0 wrote:
What is, the standard for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? [/quote] Your post is moot. Read Sero's response. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by verslagen1 on 06/19/19 at 13:31:32 485659585548534E3C0 wrote:
What is, the standard for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? [/quote] Your post is moot. Read Sero's response.[/quote] Do you care explain? |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 13:41:37 667562637C7177757E21100 wrote:
What is, the standard for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? [/quote] Your post is moot. Read Sero's response.[/quote] Do you care explain?[/quote] Not really... but in case you didn't know: moot /mo[ch862]ot/ -having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision. mn's question is without any merit and, given his history, will do no good to explain why I feel the way I do about morality. If you can't gather that from the history of his posts, then I don't know what to tell you. Sero's post hits the nail on the head as to how I feel. BTW - this is an example of me taking the high road. (if you don't have anything nice to say - then don't say anything at all...) |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by MnSpring on 06/19/19 at 13:49:27 475956575A475C41330 wrote:
So, by your subterfuge, their is NO standard, for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? OBTW. Did you know, AOC, is without any merit ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 14:21:30 7A596447455E5950370 wrote:
So, by your subterfuge, their is NO standard, for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? OBTW. Did you know, AOC, is without any merit ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-*[/quote] So, by your subterfuge, their is NO standard, for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? Seriously, what the hell does that even mean? How am I deceiving you in any way? I might be avoiding you, but not deceiving... You may want to look up the meaning of the word "subterfuge".... oh, and work on the the whole "their" thing too. But you know what? I'll take my valuable time to answer your question mn.... The way I see it is this - if a Christian makes a mistake like swearing or whatever they might consider a "sin" - their easy out is "well gee, I'm a sinner and the Lord will forgive me"... In the case of an Atheist, they have no one to fall back on. They can't just say "Gee, I'm a sinner" - they have to defend themselves - rationalize it in the real world. Example - a Christian gets angry at his kid and yells and screams and swears. Later on, they talk and he tells his kid "I'm sorry, Lord knows I'm trying to be a better person, but I'm just a sinner and I'm praying God will help me with my temper - can you forgive me?" An Atheist gets angry at his kid and yells and screams and swears. Later on, they talk and he tells his kid "I'm sorry, I'm trying to be a better person, but I realize I have to work harder to control myself - can you forgive me?" See the difference? |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by verslagen1 on 06/19/19 at 14:54:38 3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
What is, the standard for believing in, 'Not Believing In' ? [/quote] Your post is moot. Read Sero's response.[/quote] Do you care explain?[/quote] Not really... but in case you didn't know: moot /mo[ch862]ot/ -having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision. mn's question is without any merit and, given his history, will do no good to explain why I feel the way I do about morality. If you can't gather that from the history of his posts, then I don't know what to tell you. Sero's post hits the nail on the head as to how I feel. BTW - this is an example of me taking the high road. (if you don't have anything nice to say - then don't say anything at all...) [/quote] Your declaration of 'moot' is moot. You have no character at all. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 14:58:53 3F2C3B3A25282E2C2778490 wrote:
What do you mean by that? If anything, I have an abundance of character - that's what drives you conservatives nuts!! ;D But hey, nice personal insult ya got there vers - Way to stoop so low. Hey, next time someone blames me for "ruining this forum", I'll be sure to bring up this post. SHM |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by verslagen1 on 06/19/19 at 15:13:49 223C33323F223924560 wrote:
What do you mean by that? If anything, I have an abundance of character - that's what drives you conservatives nuts!! ;D But hey, nice personal insult ya got there vers - Way to stoop so low. Hey, next time someone blames me for "ruining this forum", I'll be sure to bring up this post. SHM[/quote] Nice deflection, you don't have the character to answer the question. But you have ruined the forum by your failure. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 15:17:51 677463627D7076747F20110 wrote:
What do you mean by that? If anything, I have an abundance of character - that's what drives you conservatives nuts!! ;D But hey, nice personal insult ya got there vers - Way to stoop so low. Hey, next time someone blames me for "ruining this forum", I'll be sure to bring up this post. SHM[/quote] Nice deflection, you don't have the character to answer the question. But you have ruined the forum by your failure.[/quote] Oh... so you didn't read my response to mn, huh? (just scroll up a little) Look in the mirror before you judge me vers. In fact, no - here's my response that I posted before your pathetic behaviour: But you know what? I'll take my valuable time to answer your question mn.... The way I see it is this - if a Christian makes a mistake like swearing or whatever they might consider a "sin" - their easy out is "well gee, I'm a sinner and the Lord will forgive me"... In the case of an Atheist, they have no one to fall back on. They can't just say "Gee, I'm a sinner" - they have to defend themselves - rationalize it in the real world. Example - a Christian gets angry at his kid and yells and screams and swears. Later on, they talk and he tells his kid "I'm sorry, Lord knows I'm trying to be a better person, but I'm just a sinner and I'm praying God will help me with my temper - can you forgive me?" An Atheist gets angry at his kid and yells and screams and swears. Later on, they talk and he tells his kid "I'm sorry, I'm trying to be a better person, but I realize I have to work harder to control myself - can you forgive me?" See the difference? A decent person would apologize.... but I don't see that happening. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Serowbot on 06/19/19 at 15:33:53 Are you wearing any clothes made of more than one kind of fabric? Do you ever shave or cut your hair? Have you ever heard someone take the Lord's name in vain? If so, did you stone that person? Have you ever worked on the Sabbath? (Mowed the lawn, did some laundry, maybe made dinner?) Do you like a nice, juicy steak? Do you know what that juice is? Blood. Have you ever touched bacon? How about seafood? These are sins the God tells you not to do. Why do you do them?... "Oh, that's Old Testament... We ignore that." Why? Was God just kidding with the Old Testament? When Jesus walked around telling people how to be,... he was basing his morality on the Old Testament... (That's all there was) Did Jesus wear mix blend clothes?... did he eat shellfish?... Pork?... Why do you choose to ignore these moral codes? You choose to do so based on your personal morality. Not what God said, not what Jesus said,... what you believe. ..and that's basically what I believe. Do you stone gays or fornicators to death?... Do you beat your wives or slaves?... your children?... Why not?... Your personal moral code doesn't agree with it. You are choosing to disobey God because of your personal moral code, and I commend you. Now lookie there... you are moral in spite of God. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Eegore on 06/19/19 at 15:54:17 "Ray can be attacked as being hypocritical to his belief system because he has stated a belief system." I don't think its the "belief" system that is the issue. I would have the same exact question if he said he was an Atheist that looked for the best in people. The religion is not in question, the action is. Its the words, correlated to the actions that I question. Being Christian means nothing. "Ray has opened himself up to attack on two levels, everyone else on one." This only applies if anyone assesses words and religion separately, which makes no sense. Why he says them is irrelevant, its what he says that is evaluated, this goes for all humans capable of saying things. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Serowbot on 06/19/19 at 16:02:30 "He who speaks one thing and does another, speaks with forked tongue"... We call that hypocrisy. Yes,... I made that quote up... ;D |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by MnSpring on 06/19/19 at 16:04:57 4C525D5C514C574A380 wrote:
Gollie Gee. Seems to me, You have called lotta of people a lotta names. A Lotta of times. Especially when they do NOT agree with you. But that's OK, cause it is: without any merit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Serowbot on 06/19/19 at 16:18:28 Tit for Tat happens here. It happens everywhere. And I'm as guilty as anyone to provocation. I'm trying to keep the "Tit" out... Peace, Serow |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by raydawg on 06/19/19 at 17:41:53 WOW.....I'm a rock star ;D Gee eggore , you got interest coming on that post you've been holding onto...lol! Musta had a plan to spring it on me.....THANKS! Heep me on my toes ;D That post was humorous and you need a element of truth to make humor work..... As to attacking me, or my faith, please, I invite that.....THANK YOU! If I think your attention directed at me has merit, I will look at it. If in fact what you share/say does have merit, I find it has value to me, then I can hopefully change, that is growth, and I hope I grown, until I die :-? If it doesn't, then I can scratch off another dead end on the travel through life. And please, please, PLEASE..... challenge my Christian faith, I love trying to find answers too to things I don't understand/grasp, maybe these challenges can help in that regard...... Besides, I am just a sheep, not the Sheppard, I got this hunch he can do well enuff without my input and direction..... And in closing my lil' fan club..... :-* :-* :-* :-* I share, and will continue to share, things I find uplifting and joyful to me.... You are free to not look or get bugged by what I share.... ;D ;D ;D Peace, JOY, and LOVE to all. :) |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Eegore on 06/19/19 at 18:59:01 "Gee eggore , you got interest coming on that post you've been holding onto...lol! Musta had a plan to spring it on me.....THANKS!" I didn't hold onto any post, it is here on the forums, a simple search provided it. I had no plans for it, nor do I for any post. I remembered it. This is mostly due to the fact that an attack post, humorous in application or not, is the opposite of looking for the best in people. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 20:08:13 4F6C5172706B6C65020 wrote:
Gollie Gee. Seems to me, You have called lotta of people a lotta names. A Lotta of times. Not since I agreed to stop. Especially when they do NOT agree with you. But that's OK, cause it is: without any merit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] So... you like that word "merit", huh? Good for you mn! You learned something! |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/19 at 20:10:11 35263E23263020470 wrote:
Maybe work on your humility ray - you never did apologize. Not very Christian of you.... But whatever. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/19 at 06:31:34 Maybe work on your humility ray - you never did apologize. Not very Christian of you.... But whatever. ....and prove my point, thanks friend. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/19 at 09:01:34 605255444352457A56455C370 wrote:
Not your friend, and I never professed being humble. Gee mark, you're really off your game.... |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/19 at 09:05:25 My game is spot on as evidence by the fact you are pointing out nonsense as if it's something insightful. Oh, we're buddies alright. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/19 at 09:11:03 122027363120370824372E450 wrote:
Nonsense? Like what, me not being like trump? LOL - well, I'll take that nonsense all day. As to your game - it's back to the school yard it seems. (but yeah, I'm the one that "ruined" this forum..) You'll be my friend as soon as I become president. (don't hold your breath... wait, on second thought - hold your breath!) ;D |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by raydawg on 06/20/19 at 09:14:44 794B4C5D5A4B5C634F5C452E0 wrote:
Calling Mister Herman, Mister Herman....... I know you are but what am I? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Laughing so hard my sides are hurting and I can barely see through my tears, oh goodness, it never stops... ;D |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by MnSpring on 06/20/19 at 11:46:15 736D62636E736875070 wrote:
(Regarding calling people names) You just have, several times ! the orange idiot's orange boy takes the cake in stupidity you mean orange boy and his soft-core pron wife idiots, man-children, serial tweeters, liars, braggarts, thieves, bullies, draft-dodgers, cheaters or the like. In a word - trump. orange boy takes the cake in stupidity trump shows his idiocy Oh yea, that's right. YOU, can call a person, not a member here, anything YOU want. And I cannot call a person, who is Not a member here, what she truly is. As to calling a, Member here, a derogatory term. Did you Forget, one can look back, and see ! |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by raydawg on 06/20/19 at 12:30:11 Springman...... You and I doan count, we is pricks Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad ***** Posts: 23936 Tucson Az Gender: male Re: Well heck yes...... Reply #3 - 06/13/19 at 15:35:33 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote His son just died of cancer,... don't be a prick... :o Maybe that is how he got his name, he sews a lot, and like Sleeping Beauty, pricked his finger? :-? Note to eggore: Record this reply, might come in handy again. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by MnSpring on 06/20/19 at 13:13:02 283B233E3B2D3D5A0 wrote:
As Stan said to Oliver, (while scratching his head) 'Gee ya tink so ?' |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by Eegore on 06/20/19 at 19:21:02 "Note to eggore: Record this reply, might come in handy again. Grin Grin Grin " Again, I do not record or otherwise independently document activity on this forum. |
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Title: Re: Be optimistic...... Post by T And T Garage on 06/24/19 at 13:01:53 5675486B6972757C1B0 wrote:
(Regarding calling people names) You just have, several times ! the orange idiot's orange boy takes the cake in stupidity you mean orange boy and his soft-core pron wife idiots, man-children, serial tweeters, liars, braggarts, thieves, bullies, draft-dodgers, cheaters or the like. In a word - trump. orange boy takes the cake in stupidity trump shows his idiocy Oh yea, that's right. YOU, can call a person, not a member here, anything YOU want. And I cannot call a person, who is Not a member here, what she truly is. As to calling a, Member here, a derogatory term. Did you Forget, one can look back, and see ! [/quote] I agreed to stop calling members names. I haven't since I promised. As to trump and the other idiots in his family and administration, that's never going to stop. I'm not a mod on this forum (yet), so I have no right to ask/tell anyone how to post. If you have a problem with my posts, take it up with them. |
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