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Reply #15 - 10/12/18 at 12:38:04
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/12/18 at 12:19:58:
I'm not an arsonist.
I WILL point out arsonists
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Blame them for the fires.


Fine, but would you point out arsonists in your own family?  Maybe your best friend is an arsonist - would you call him out/turn him in?
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Reply #16 - 10/12/18 at 13:07:27
 
Might I remind you that the white nationalists, the nazis and the KKK are all right wing groups?  

the Nazi's are socialist much more philosphically aligned with the left. The KKK is nothing, but if you want to throw them on the right fine, go ahead. I'll throw Black Lives Matter and antifa on the left. The blood of a bunch of cops murdered last year sits on your side now.

Fair?  

And in the case of budweiser brett - he's sitting on the bench while Dr. Ford is literally fearing for her life.

At some point in the future, not sure how long, the absolute truth will come out about Ford and it will be she made the whole thing up, the same as the other woman. It defies common sense for it to be otherwise. You may want to ignore the fact she lied about the door, but that is a darning fact. Brett Kavanaugh did not assault Christine Ford. It's time to simply accept that as reality.

The real culprit in this is Diane Feinstein and the rest of the Democrats on the Sentate Judiciary Committee.
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Reply #17 - 10/12/18 at 13:29:02
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/12/18 at 13:07:27:
Might I remind you that the white nationalists, the nazis and the KKK are all right wing groups?  

the Nazi's are socialist much more philosphically aligned with the left. The KKK is nothing, but if you want to throw them on the right fine, go ahead. I'll throw Black Lives Matter and antifa on the left. The blood of a bunch of cops murdered last year sits on your side now.

Fair?  

Sure, if your side takes responsibility with the death threats that Dr. Ford is getting, the nazi that's running as a republican in Illinois, the white nationalists actually marching with torches in Charlottesville, trump inciting violence at his campaign rallies, dylan roof, and others.

The fact is mark - the far-right was responsible for the majority of America’s extremist killings in 2017
http://qz.com/1182778/the-far-right-was-responsible-for-the-majority-of-extre...


And in the case of budweiser brett - he's sitting on the bench while Dr. Ford is literally fearing for her life.

At some point in the future, not sure how long, the absolute truth will come out about Ford and it will be she made the whole thing up, the same as the other woman.

I don't think so.  It never did with Anita Hill - but then again, it did.  I think she told it like it was.

It defies common sense for it to be otherwise.

Since when does common sense dictate human behavior?  We have people dancing with snakes in churches, we have idiots that tattoo their eyeballs, we have other morons that pierce their genitals.. on purpose!!

You may want to ignore the fact she lied about the door, but that is a darning fact. Brett Kavanaugh did not assault Christine Ford. It's time to simply accept that as reality.

No, I don't think so.  I think it's just the opposite - and it's possible that justice roberts thinks so too.

The real culprit in this is Diane Feinstein and the rest of the Democrats on the Sentate Judiciary Committee.


Again, I'm not fan of difi, but she was acting on behalf of Dr. Ford.
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Reply #18 - 10/13/18 at 07:05:49
 
You may want to ignore the fact she lied about the door, but that is a darning fact. Brett Kavanaugh did not assault Christine Ford. It's time to simply accept that as reality.

No, I don't think so.  I think it's just the opposite - and it's possible that justice roberts thinks so too.


Picture yourself on a jury. The prosecution presents it's case;  Dr Ford's testimony. The Defense then rebuts her testimony by proving the second door scenario  which supposedly set this whole turn of events off never happened. The door was installed years earlier, so they could rent their part of their house out to Google interns and business. Also the couple's therapist was the business renting out space in 2012. Dr Ford says her husband reminded her in 2018 that back in 2012 she mentioned Kavanaugh's name, she never admits she ever said his name to the theorist. Dr Ford refused to allow the therapist’s notes to be put into evidence. The defense also shows there was never a demonstration of a fear of flying as she was a global traveler, not for business, but to pursue recreational hobbies. Her main witness denied even knowing the accused. As the defense, you show she couldn't even remember if an hours long lie detector test was done on the day of her grandmother's funeral nor if it was filmed or recorded.

Now, are you going to tell me you'd vote to convict Kavanaugh based on this? Remember, you're on a jury. It is not the case that in your mind Kavanaugh's guilt or innocence is a blank slate. He's 100% innocent until the prosecution pursued you he's guilty.

No one could possibly vote him guilty based on the facts.

Tell me how you could?
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Reply #19 - 10/14/18 at 07:39:42
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/13/18 at 07:05:49:
You may want to ignore the fact she lied about the door, but that is a darning fact. Brett Kavanaugh did not assault Christine Ford. It's time to simply accept that as reality.

No, I don't think so.  I think it's just the opposite - and it's possible that justice roberts thinks so too.


Picture yourself on a jury. The prosecution presents it's case;  Dr Ford's testimony. The Defense then rebuts her testimony by proving the second door scenario  which supposedly set this whole turn of events off never happened. The door was installed years earlier, so they could rent their part of their house out to Google interns and business. Also the couple's therapist was the business renting out space in 2012. Dr Ford says her husband reminded her in 2018 that back in 2012 she mentioned Kavanaugh's name, she never admits she ever said his name to the theorist. Dr Ford refused to allow the therapist’s notes to be put into evidence. The defense also shows there was never a demonstration of a fear of flying as she was a global traveler, not for business, but to pursue recreational hobbies. Her main witness denied even knowing the accused. As the defense, you show she couldn't even remember if an hours long lie detector test was done on the day of her grandmother's funeral nor if it was filmed or recorded.

Now, are you going to tell me you'd vote to convict Kavanaugh based on this? Remember, you're on a jury. It is not the case that in your mind Kavanaugh's guilt or innocence is a blank slate. He's 100% innocent until the prosecution pursued you he's guilty.

There is no conviction.  This isn't a court case.  This all plays back to his character.  She did in fact mention brett by name to her therapist in 2012.  The whole door thing is secondary - and there is no concrete proof either way what the purpose was.  The hard fact is she put herself up for ridicule and now, her life is being threatened.  She had nothing to gain, and (for now) has lost everything.

Meanwhile, he totally fell apart during his hearing.  Now, you can say that's because he was wrongly accused.  That's still no excuse.  He's applying for the highest court in the land, his temperament isn't up to the task.  Go ahead and say what you will about Dr. Ford, but one look at brett shows that he's unqualified to serve.

But again, this is a moot point.  He's on the bench for life.  He's deeply partisan towards trump.  He may wind up protecting trump if there's an impeachment.

This is truly a sad time for America.


No one could possibly vote him guilty based on the facts.

Tell me how you could?

See above.  And I'm not alone - not my a long shot.
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Reply #20 - 10/14/18 at 15:24:00
 
T And T Garage wrote on 10/12/18 at 12:01:40:
the case of budweiser brett -

Here’s the deal,
put the: Nazis and the KKK
In a cage with the BLM &  antifa
Then walk away.

Oh Wait, can’t do that.
tt will say it's, 'Racist'  !

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #21 - 10/14/18 at 16:12:46
 
There is no conviction.  This isn't a court case.  This all plays back to his character.  She did in fact mention brett by name to her therapist in 2012.  The whole door thing is secondary - and there is no concrete proof either way what the purpose was.  The hard fact is she put herself up for ridicule and now, her life is being threatened.  She had nothing to gain, and (for now) has lost everything.

1) I said 'picture yourself on a jury' meaning this is something of a hypothetical.
2) And honestly, it is something of a trial. The witness' are sworn and face charges of perjury so its more a trial than a job interview.

So, based on that, let's continue.

She did in fact mention brett by name to her therapist in 2012.
No, we don't know that. What she said was she didn't recall saying his name but said her husband in 2018 said that back in 2012 she said his name. She did not turn over the notes taken by her therapist.

The whole door thing is secondary - and there is no concrete proof either way what the purpose was
No, that's been shown to be an absolute fact. She lied about that or at the very least, did not remember the reason or the year it was done. If you remember her testimony however, she was positive about the year and the reason. Hard to believe that was an slip of the memory. And if it was the case she didn't remember correctly, just how seriously can you take her charge that she knew without a doubt it was kavanaugh? Not very.


She had nothing to gain,
She was shown to have marched in very strong anti-Trump marches. She donated a fairly large sum to HRC. Kavanaugh's name was mentioned as one of the top 5 BEFORE her letter to DiFi was sent. Being a very strong anti-Trump person and someone who took the steps to protest against Trump, it's likely either she or her like minded friends knew that. Realizing she went to high school near Trump's Supreme Court pick and perhaps even remembered meeting Kavanaugh or perhaps knew people who knew him while they were in high school  could have given her the idea to make up a story to discredit him. Being the one to put that much damage to Trump would be a strong motive. To say she had nothing to gain simply isn't true.

Also, since we don't have the therapist notes, we don't know the reason for the couple's session. Personally, i think she got caugh having an affair and a made up story about a sexual assault as a way of explaining away a problem has been done a million times before. Ask the former Governor of Missouri about that one.

The lie about the door is huge as is the lie about fear of flying and not knowing if the lie detector test was done on the day of her grandmother's funeral. Her ex-boyfriend said she helped at least one other person learn about polygraph tests but he didn't testify under oath, at least I don't think he did.

There's just too many red flags for this to add up. She lied about Kavanaugh being the one who assaulted her, perhaps lied about being assaulted at all.

No jury would ever convict Kavanaugh and no grand jury would even indict. Although this will never happen, she could be brought up on perjury charges about the door.

Kavanaugh's behavior to the committee afterwards doesn’t come into play for this mock trial.
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Reply #22 - 10/14/18 at 18:58:51
 
MnSpring wrote on 10/14/18 at 15:24:00:
T And T Garage wrote on 10/12/18 at 12:01:40:
the case of budweiser brett -

Here’s the deal,
put the: Nazis and the KKK
In a cage with the BLM &  antifa
Then walk away.

Oh Wait, can’t do that.
tt will say it's, 'Racist'  !

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


So, what does that have to do with brett??

Are you trying to make some kinda point or?.....
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Reply #23 - 10/14/18 at 19:01:37
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/14/18 at 16:12:46:
There is no conviction.  This isn't a court case.  This all plays back to his character.  She did in fact mention brett by name to her therapist in 2012.  The whole door thing is secondary - and there is no concrete proof either way what the purpose was.  The hard fact is she put herself up for ridicule and now, her life is being threatened.  She had nothing to gain, and (for now) has lost everything.

1) I said 'picture yourself on a jury' meaning this is something of a hypothetical.
2) And honestly, it is something of a trial. The witness' are sworn and face charges of perjury so its more a trial than a job interview.

So, based on that, let's continue.

She did in fact mention brett by name to her therapist in 2012.
No, we don't know that. What she said was she didn't recall saying his name but said her husband in 2018 said that back in 2012 she said his name. She did not turn over the notes taken by her therapist.

The whole door thing is secondary - and there is no concrete proof either way what the purpose was
No, that's been shown to be an absolute fact. She lied about that or at the very least, did not remember the reason or the year it was done. If you remember her testimony however, she was positive about the year and the reason. Hard to believe that was an slip of the memory. And if it was the case she didn't remember correctly, just how seriously can you take her charge that she knew without a doubt it was kavanaugh? Not very.


She had nothing to gain,
She was shown to have marched in very strong anti-Trump marches. She donated a fairly large sum to HRC. Kavanaugh's name was mentioned as one of the top 5 BEFORE her letter to DiFi was sent. Being a very strong anti-Trump person and someone who took the steps to protest against Trump, it's likely either she or her like minded friends knew that. Realizing she went to high school near Trump's Supreme Court pick and perhaps even remembered meeting Kavanaugh or perhaps knew people who knew him while they were in high school  could have given her the idea to make up a story to discredit him. Being the one to put that much damage to Trump would be a strong motive. To say she had nothing to gain simply isn't true.

Also, since we don't have the therapist notes, we don't know the reason for the couple's session. Personally, i think she got caugh having an affair and a made up story about a sexual assault as a way of explaining away a problem has been done a million times before. Ask the former Governor of Missouri about that one.

The lie about the door is huge as is the lie about fear of flying and not knowing if the lie detector test was done on the day of her grandmother's funeral. Her ex-boyfriend said she helped at least one other person learn about polygraph tests but he didn't testify under oath, at least I don't think he did.

There's just too many red flags for this to add up. She lied about Kavanaugh being the one who assaulted her, perhaps lied about being assaulted at all.

No jury would ever convict Kavanaugh and no grand jury would even indict. Although this will never happen, she could be brought up on perjury charges about the door.

Kavanaugh's behavior to the committee afterwards doesn’t come into play for this mock trial.



Hey mark - get over it.  It's done.  He's on the bench.  I still believe her - as do millions of others.

There is now a partisan hack on the bench of the SCOTUS.

Well done pubs....
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