Donald just gave Kim everything he wanted just to be able to bullsh!t the fools whom he knows are born every minute. That is, there's plenty of them. America is now less safe as Kim will be allowed to become stronger and continue to develop his weapons because it suits Donald to pretend that it's not true. This is truly bizarre.

What's even more weird is that the Iran deal had unprecedented levels of verification. Inspectors could go anywhere at anytime and take swabs of anything. And Donald trashed that as unacceptable, but he has now agreed to bolster Kim's hold on power and is happy to sign an agreement that contains not even a promise of verification. No verification at all.

There’s also a commitment to hold more talks, but No. 3 is the key part: North Korea has committed to work toward denuclearization. What does that mean in practical terms? Whatever they want it to mean. Over a period of how long? A year? Five years? Five hundred years? However long Kim wants. North Korea has been making similar pledges for decades, while it continued right ahead developing bombs.

“It’s important to note that that is a weaker commitment to denuclearization than the regime has made in the past,” Murphy told me about the language in the statement Trump and Kim signed. “So that is a walk backward, not a walk forward.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/06/12/trump-will-end-u...

@LA,

You think that is messed up try this...

This is what Donald himself said 7 months ago (see below) now he calls him a very smart guy who is devoted to his people who love him. FFS

“The horror of life in North Korea is so complete that citizens pay bribes to government officials to have themselves exported abroad as slaves. They would rather be slaves than live in North Korea. . . . Leaders imprison their people under the banner of tyranny, fascism and oppression. . . . Citizens spy on fellow citizens, their homes are subject to search at any time, and their every action is subject to surveillance. In place of a vibrant society, the people of North Korea are bombarded by state propaganda practically every waking hour of the day. North Korea is a country ruled as a cult.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-most-offensive-statement-on-no...


Trump has just enabled this lunatic big time. It's impossible to underestimate the damage that Americans are allowing trump to do. He has never said a single thing of substance. He declares everyone he likes 'a smart guy' everyone he dislikes 'a low IQ guy' every complex negotiation is summed by by a single epithet, 'tremendous', he's like the lego movie... 'everything is awesome'.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/13/18 at 22:57:40:


You're a joke. Why because you use every bullsh!t rhetorical device available. Usually it's the 'straw man' or the 'false analogy' in this case it's the 'ad hominem' attack on the author.

Why not comment on the facts as presented. We have the facts and that is the actual document that was signed. And in that document there is simply an agreement to 'work towards' a nuclear free peninsula. There is nothing about 'verification'. It's not mentioned at all.

Trump has bolstered the internal propaganda machine of the most brutal dictator on the planet.

Read again what Donald himself said...

“The horror of life in North Korea is so complete that citizens pay bribes to government officials to have themselves exported abroad as slaves. They would rather be slaves than live in North Korea. . . . Leaders imprison their people under the banner of tyranny, fascism and oppression. . . . Citizens spy on fellow citizens, their homes are subject to search at any time, and their every action is subject to surveillance. In place of a vibrant society, the people of North Korea are bombarded by state propaganda practically every waking hour of the day. North Korea is a country ruled as a cult.”

You complained about the Iran deal that had the most stringent verification requirements imposed on any nuclear power ever. And only upon this rigorous verification was Iran's *own money* released to them OTOH, Trump has already made concessions based on nothing at all.

He thinks he deserves applause for defusing the earlier tensions that he himself started by threatening to annihilate them with his 'bigger button'.

You've got some actual facts there, in the form of the actual signed document and Donalds own previous words about the N.Korea regime. Yet all you've got is a pathetic ad hominem attack on the author of the article.

And an even more pathetic 'cry on'.

Easy. We're not doing this again. Calling someone on here a joke is the opening for this go crazy again.

Everyone has avoded that lately. We've been doing good. Don't ruin it. Call Trump whatever you want but don't do that to someone on here.

LostArtist wrote on 06/14/18 at 10:51:28:

 really??? JOG starting whole thread with antagonistic - insulting tones, no problem though huh?  MNsprings continuous dismissal of me as somehow a puppet of T&T..... nothing from you...  MNSprings multiple "snowflake" comments...  nothing  me calling JOG sad....  nothing from you   I guess "joke" is a trigger word for you or somethng

My My My, it that the sound of, 'MELTING' I hear ?

Did Trump end sanctions?
No

Without performance, Kim won't get anything.
The potential future Trump showed Kim , condos, hotels, casinos, tourism, were just showing Kim what Could be.

Trump gave up
Nothing.
Or, explain what we gave up.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, he just gave up the dignity of the US, by acknowledging the world's most dangerous tyrant as the equal, he has given Kim propaganda gold.

But even more tangible he's announced that the exercised with S.Korea are 'provocative war games' which is what Kim has been saying and demanding they stop. So he gave up that. And it was just an offhand remark. But this has already been addressed however you just ignore it and as the question again.

All Donald has for this charade is a piece of paper with a meaningless 'work towards nuclear disarmament' no time frame no method,  and importantly no mention at all of what Pompeo promised, that is 'verification' it's not even mentioned. Trump has played you all for the fools you are.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/14/18 at 21:23:51:

Jog, you're a grow man so make your own decisions but eau is TT jr. A drive-by-shooter with only one goal. We've had a few more posters on here as of late and if we eau throws gas on the fire and runs we're back to where we were before. You do what you want but I'm not engaging with him until unless he turns down his personal attack rhetoric.