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Title: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/13/18 at 18:25:32 Donald just gave Kim everything he wanted just to be able to bullsh!t the fools whom he knows are born every minute. That is, there's plenty of them. America is now less safe as Kim will be allowed to become stronger and continue to develop his weapons because it suits Donald to pretend that it's not true. This is truly bizarre. What's even more weird is that the Iran deal had unprecedented levels of verification. Inspectors could go anywhere at anytime and take swabs of anything. And Donald trashed that as unacceptable, but he has now agreed to bolster Kim's hold on power and is happy to sign an agreement that contains not even a promise of verification. No verification at all. There’s also a commitment to hold more talks, but No. 3 is the key part: North Korea has committed to work toward denuclearization. What does that mean in practical terms? Whatever they want it to mean. Over a period of how long? A year? Five years? Five hundred years? However long Kim wants. North Korea has been making similar pledges for decades, while it continued right ahead developing bombs. “It’s important to note that that is a weaker commitment to denuclearization than the regime has made in the past,” Murphy told me about the language in the statement Trump and Kim signed. “So that is a walk backward, not a walk forward.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/06/12/trump-will-end-up-agreeing-that-north-korea-can-keep-its-nukes/ |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by LostArtist on 06/13/18 at 19:16:26 This is so messed up, MARK LEVIN, the super conservative lawyer/radio show, literally said almost that exact thing (minus the Iran deal stuff) on his radio show. I was stuck in traffic and flipping through the radio channels and almost sh!t my pants when I heard Mark Levin say that. Mark did give Trump credit to Trump to getting Kim to this level but then went on to say that Trump shouldn't be praising this mass murderer dictator and he's cautiously optimistic about this "deal" actually leading to something but he said that currently, nothing has been done so he's reserving judgment until something happens.... that sounds familiar.... I actually started to wonder if Mark is starting to wake up to the cult of personality that is Trump.... |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/13/18 at 19:42:52 @LA, You think that is messed up try this... This is what Donald himself said 7 months ago (see below) now he calls him a very smart guy who is devoted to his people who love him. FFS “The horror of life in North Korea is so complete that citizens pay bribes to government officials to have themselves exported abroad as slaves. They would rather be slaves than live in North Korea. .[ch8201].[ch8201]. Leaders imprison their people under the banner of tyranny, fascism and oppression. .[ch8201].[ch8201]. Citizens spy on fellow citizens, their homes are subject to search at any time, and their every action is subject to surveillance. In place of a vibrant society, the people of North Korea are bombarded by state propaganda practically every waking hour of the day. North Korea is a country ruled as a cult.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-most-offensive-statement-on-north-korea/2018/06/13/d1f0c7aa-6f26-11e8-bf86-a2351b5ece99_story.html Trump has just enabled this lunatic big time. It's impossible to underestimate the damage that Americans are allowing trump to do. He has never said a single thing of substance. He declares everyone he likes 'a smart guy' everyone he dislikes 'a low IQ guy' every complex negotiation is summed by by a single epithet, 'tremendous', he's like the lego movie... 'everything is awesome'. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/18 at 22:57:40 Levin is a regular in the shop. His voice sux and I disagree sometimes. And I've watched everything Trump does be labelled Stupid Catastrophic Everything you can imagine. Haven't seen it be true yet. Still hopeful Trump has done it right. I think he has. Outcomes aren't his . Cry on |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/13/18 at 23:08:37 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
You're a joke. Why because you use every bullsh!t rhetorical device available. Usually it's the 'straw man' or the 'false analogy' in this case it's the 'ad hominem' attack on the author. Why not comment on the facts as presented. We have the facts and that is the actual document that was signed. And in that document there is simply an agreement to 'work towards' a nuclear free peninsula. There is nothing about 'verification'. It's not mentioned at all. Trump has bolstered the internal propaganda machine of the most brutal dictator on the planet. Read again what Donald himself said... “The horror of life in North Korea is so complete that citizens pay bribes to government officials to have themselves exported abroad as slaves. They would rather be slaves than live in North Korea. .[ch8201].[ch8201]. Leaders imprison their people under the banner of tyranny, fascism and oppression. .[ch8201].[ch8201]. Citizens spy on fellow citizens, their homes are subject to search at any time, and their every action is subject to surveillance. In place of a vibrant society, the people of North Korea are bombarded by state propaganda practically every waking hour of the day. North Korea is a country ruled as a cult.” You complained about the Iran deal that had the most stringent verification requirements imposed on any nuclear power ever. And only upon this rigorous verification was Iran's *own money* released to them OTOH, Trump has already made concessions based on nothing at all. He thinks he deserves applause for defusing the earlier tensions that he himself started by threatening to annihilate them with his 'bigger button'. You've got some actual facts there, in the form of the actual signed document and Donalds own previous words about the N.Korea regime. Yet all you've got is a pathetic ad hominem attack on the author of the article. And an even more pathetic 'cry on'. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/13/18 at 23:10:11 Donalds presidency is like one continuous April fool's joke... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/trump-nobel-peace-prize-north-korea-kim-jong-un-norway-progress-party-a8397796.html |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by WebsterMark on 06/14/18 at 04:20:24 Easy. We're not doing this again. Calling someone on here a joke is the opening for this go crazy again. Everyone has avoded that lately. We've been doing good. Don't ruin it. Call Trump whatever you want but don't do that to someone on here. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by LostArtist on 06/14/18 at 10:51:28 5B696E7F78697E416D7E670C0 wrote:
really??? JOG starting whole thread with antagonistic - insulting tones, no problem though huh? MNsprings continuous dismissal of me as somehow a puppet of T&T..... nothing from you... MNSprings multiple "snowflake" comments... nothing me calling JOG sad.... nothing from you I guess "joke" is a trigger word for you or somethng |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by MnSpring on 06/14/18 at 11:56:05 1E3D21261320263B2126520 wrote:
My My My, it that the sound of, 'MELTING' I hear ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by WebsterMark on 06/14/18 at 15:37:06 70534F487D4E48554F483C0 wrote:
really??? JOG starting whole thread with antagonistic - insulting tones, no problem though huh? MNsprings continuous dismissal of me as somehow a puppet of T&T..... nothing from you... MNSprings multiple "snowflake" comments... nothing me calling JOG sad.... nothing from you I guess "joke" is a trigger word for you or somethng[/quote] Jog did not start this thread and I can't read MNspring post most of the time. I can't follw the indents back and forth. i'm just doing my part to keep this under control. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/14/18 at 21:23:51 Did Trump end sanctions? No Without performance, Kim won't get anything. The potential future Trump showed Kim , condos, hotels, casinos, tourism, were just showing Kim what Could be. Trump gave up Nothing. Or, explain what we gave up. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/14/18 at 22:33:30 Oh FFS, this is classic 1990's trolling. OMFG did I actually dare to say the word 'joke'. My goodness I imagine the delicate snowflake that we know as JoG must have been crying himself to sleep after reading that. You're just like all the other trump blatherers, taking a leaf out of the great man's pages. Just clutter up a thread with nonsense thus avoiding the actual topic. Pathetic. 615354454253447B57445D360 wrote:
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/14/18 at 22:38:56 There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, he just gave up the dignity of the US, by acknowledging the world's most dangerous tyrant as the equal, he has given Kim propaganda gold. But even more tangible he's announced that the exercised with S.Korea are 'provocative war games' which is what Kim has been saying and demanding they stop. So he gave up that. And it was just an offhand remark. But this has already been addressed however you just ignore it and as the question again. All Donald has for this charade is a piece of paper with a meaningless 'work towards nuclear disarmament' no time frame no method, and importantly no mention at all of what Pompeo promised, that is 'verification' it's not even mentioned. Trump has played you all for the fools you are. 5E4147405D5A6B5B6B53414D06340 wrote:
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/14/18 at 22:47:24 Here you go JoG an article that lays out the facts as they stand, as bizarre as they are... Similarly, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s recent statement to reporters that North Korea will probably dismantle all its nuclear weapons by the end of Trump’s first term tells Kim and his negotiators that they can twiddle their thumbs for the next 2½ years, waiting for the Americans to make the big concessions. The fact that Pompeo linked the timetable explicitly to Trump’s re-election bid heightens Kim’s leverage even more Read the full horror story... https://tinyurl.com/yaxrxkj7 |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by WebsterMark on 06/15/18 at 04:33:28 Jog, you're a grow man so make your own decisions but eau is TT jr. A drive-by-shooter with only one goal. We've had a few more posters on here as of late and if we eau throws gas on the fire and runs we're back to where we were before. You do what you want but I'm not engaging with him until unless he turns down his personal attack rhetoric. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by Eegore on 06/15/18 at 05:53:40 "Jog did not start this thread and I can't read MNspring post most of the time. I can't follw the indents back and forth. " Quote people like this and respond systematically. They clean up their posts in response in most cases, I have no idea why but its worked many times for me. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/18 at 06:04:25 I don't care what Pompeo says. When Trump called Kim Rocket Man, everyone screeched Trump's crazy He's a bully Gonna start a war. You don't CARE about what he is accomplishing. WTF do you THINK about dismantling nukes? You don't grab a screwdriver and just start ripping, or so I hear. Trump's WRONG regardless of what he does. And watching people criticize Trump when he's being mean and when he's being diplomatic, proves to me how disingenuous they are. His tax proposal, you know, where YOU CAN KEEP MORE OF YOUR OWN EARNINGS, was gonna hurt us. Wrong Just answer the question On your OWN And try to NOT embarrass yourself more. Giving legitimacy is WHAT YOU DO if you want someone to move forward. If you want WAR, you can go tell him, do this or die. Or, as Trump did Show him a potential future of prosperity and show him how to have it and offer friendship. You'd all be excited for Obama, but he didn't accomplish this. Trump the Hated did. The sanctions stay in place Until nukes are dismantled. Norks have been keeping us occupying South Korea for seventy years. Trump wants to close that down. But rather than celebrate the fact that Trump is working on peace You pretend he's giving away the farm But you are not reasonable in your criticism. I know that Because it doesn't Matter What he does He's always Wrong So Enjoy your spitting and fuming Trump is WINNING |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by Eegore on 06/15/18 at 06:46:47 I wouldn't say Trump is winning by my definition as I look at the collective objectives stated and accomplished in comparison to others doing or having done the same job with respective concessions for technology, societal and sociological changes in the same time frame. I do like that he is taking on a different approach with North Korea as the method prior was not having enough positive results. In comparison the Iran deal was really well put together, I've been there, I've seen IEIA teams work when I was with HALO. I'd agree more if there was actual documentation available regarding why the deal had to be pulled in the way it was. If I were in a room trying to solve a problem I would rather Obama be there than Trump simply because the language would be more efficient. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by Serowbot on 06/15/18 at 10:00:31 4E6E6C64796E0B0 wrote:
;D |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by LostArtist on 06/15/18 at 11:37:36 726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:
and South Korea is losing... |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/15/18 at 21:23:31 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
Tax cuts, ROFL, A household earning $1 million or more would get an average cut of $69,660, an income bump of 3.3 percent. Compare that with the a tax cut of $870, or 1.6 percent, for the average household earning $50,000 to $75,000. But you've already lost that China has just retaliated for the US tariffs. And you've now got a 1.5 trillion deficit to pay for the tax cuts for the wealthy. Yes N.Korea getting rid of it's nukes are good. Trump has only ensured that they won't. But it's gets worse with tax... Put another way, in 2018, households earning $1 million or more — or, 0.4 percent of all tax filers — would be getting 16.5 percent of the total benefit from the bill. In 2027, households earning $1 million or more — estimated to be 0.6 percent of all filers — would be getting 81.8 percent of the total benefit, even though their average tax break would be about $46,000 smaller in 2027 than in 2018. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by WebsterMark on 06/16/18 at 05:42:10 4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:
;D[/quote] I've mentioned this before but the last two companies I worked for, one was run by a perfect imitation of Trump and one of Obama. Both companies very successful, been in rooms when both were dealing with issues. One did it like Trump, one like Obama. Been on the receiving end of criticism from both also. Neither was pleasant. Take all the background noise away from Trump and look only at the metrics and you'd come to the conclusion the country is doing much better now than a couple years ago. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by MnSpring on 06/16/18 at 09:39:04 1131333B2631540 wrote:
I disagree. I believe, Doing, Accomplishing, Performing, rank Much higher, than, ‘Word Crafting’. |
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Title: Re: Kim thank's to Donald is more dangerous. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/18 at 16:14:35 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
;D[/quote] I've mentioned this before but the last two companies I worked for, one was run by a perfect imitation of Trump and one of Obama. Both companies very successful, been in rooms when both were dealing with issues. One did it like Trump, one like Obama. Been on the receiving end of criticism from both also. Neither was pleasant. Take all the background noise away from Trump and look only at the metrics and you'd come to the conclusion the country is doing much better now than a couple years ago. [/quote] But it's So EASY to focus on Trump's Booger Eating ways. |
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