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11/06/17 at 06:04:06
 
Tell me again how immigrants are a threat to our country?

Yeah.....

Then our "wonderful" president says it's not about guns, it's about mental health.  Really?  Then how do you blame immigration on a nut-job driving a truck?  Wasn't that just a mental health problem?

Welcome to republican/corporate America.
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Reply #1 - 11/06/17 at 06:15:29
 
So, because this one wasn't a crazy immigrant, immigrants are not a problem.
Got it.
And what do we Know about him?
What was the reason?
And why was he able to get a gun?
You don't care about anything more than your desperate need to keep believing that importing refugees is good.
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Reply #2 - 11/06/17 at 07:05:16
 
I've read multiple reports the guy was a militant atheist. If true, and that's a big IF given how naturally inaccurate early reporting is, will we see a fraction of the 'news' linking him to leftist groups and the Democratic party along the lines any killer who can be remotely linked to conservatives and Republican party? No, of course not and we all know that.

Which brings up a point that we should acknowledge, at least in passing, and that is the ideology of either of our two mainstream political parties should be linked with violence. The Charlottesville car driver had nothing to do with the Republican party anymore than this guy or the Vegas guy or perhaps even going back to the Unibomber had to do with the Democratic party. Not sure if  you saw it, but the ad from the Virginia governor's race showing a black truck with a Confederate flag chasing minority kids down is truly awful for example. Somehow we've got to stop this $hit.

Which brings me to my next point and that is we should all make up our minds if confronted in violent situations like this; to fight back. Begin planting the seed of doubt in these sick individuals minds that we will not be sitting ducks. Sure, the odds any of us will find ourselves in this spot is a million to one, but I think it helps to make up your mind now what to do. Just a thought....
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Reply #3 - 11/06/17 at 07:18:31
 

 I think to dismiss mental health as part of the problem is a bad idea.  

 I think its impossible due to all the variables to consider any one factor to be a reason for violence.  Its true if we didn't allow someone into the country then they wouldn't have killed people here.  Its also true that if he ran a red light and was killed himself then nothing would have happened.
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Reply #4 - 11/06/17 at 07:23:35
 
He's not an immigrant.
He's dishonorably discharged with domestic violence history.
But he got a gun.
And body armor.
And is an atheist.
And died in a ditch like a dog.
At least he got something right.
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Reply #5 - 11/06/17 at 07:40:17
 
HEADLINES........

TRUMP KILLED KOI

Yeah, the news is as guilty as anyone in the rhetoric, which they do for PROFIT gang.

Yes, we need a much better mental health system.
All this stuff we are seeing, sexual misconduct, bullying, to hate of someone with a different political, or social belief, is vested in a mental illness.
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Reply #6 - 11/06/17 at 07:46:16
 

I think to dismiss mental health as part of the problem is a bad idea.  

I agree and I don't think anyone has dismissed it. Detecting it is another matter.

The Columbine killers had just completed a diversionary/probation program after getting caught breaking into a van. The officer dismissed them both early even calling the main killer, Harris, a bright kid who would go far in life.  

There are a lot of what we call weirdos in the world. Someone eavesdropping on some of the comments that pass around in this forum might call us the same.
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Reply #7 - 11/06/17 at 08:05:02
 
“…Tell me again how immigrants are a threat to our country?…”

Immigrants  & Refugees,  are TWO  Different things.
Legal  &  Illegal,  are TWO  Different things.
A Mentally Ill person &  a Terrorist, are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

A, ’Nut-Case DFI’,   (Oh Wait, that is NOT, Politicly Correct,
 It should be, a accurate description of that, exact, malady that person has)


Oh Well
    A  Nut-Case, does a really  DFI  thing.
What if he used a bomb, using a, ‘pressure cooker’ sold at a mart-mart store.
Then,  Everybody in that Church would be dead.
The pressure cooker’s fault?

What if he was of one political party, and believed everyone in that church, was of the other political party.
Is it, the fault of, a political party?

What if, the people in that Church, were his relatives, or people that bulled him, or people that shunned him, (who all of those he greatly dislikes)
It is their fault?

Or could it be, the fault, of a ‘Mentally Ill, Delusional’, person,
     who also is was a,  DFI NUT CASE?

Most probably never know, because would be very hard to get the, FACTS.
(Just like the Rand Paul, ‘report’, the written words said: 5,000.00 Bond, and the video said: 7,500.00 bail.)
 
     Tiny, tiny, inconsistency, yet, it shows the lack of, FACTS,
prevalent, in ‘reporting’, because the, ‘reporters’, just don’t care.

So I would suggest, that the FACTS, are examined first.
 Before, that person is compared to a ;
     ‘Trojan Horse Hiding, Refugee terrorist’
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Reply #8 - 11/06/17 at 08:41:36
 
It's ALL MENTAL HEALTH.

Sheesh!  This nut-job is no different than any other nut job.

He somehow had access to guns.  Duh.

The "isis terrorist" had a truck.... so.....

They are BOTH nuts and therein lies the problem.

Knock off the stupid and pointless rhetoric about "it's this party", "it's this religion", "it's this ideology".

Enough of the politicizing.  This country needs to DO SOMETHING.

Hopes and prayers are obviously NOT WORKING.
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Reply #9 - 11/06/17 at 08:53:09
 
If our president thinks it's a mental health issue, then why did he do this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-...

I'll tell you why.

He has no idea WTF he's doing.

Go ahead tweety lovers. Defend this little bill.....
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Reply #10 - 11/06/17 at 08:59:52
 
I'm so tired of your ignorance.
Convicted for domestic violence
NO GUN

Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

He STOLE HIS MOMS GUNS
The existing laws are fine.
The overreach Obama tried to create is dangerous, too.
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Reply #11 - 11/06/17 at 09:12:16
 
Yes, we must do something, if we can, but what?

We could substantially expand mental health spending, offering it to communities, etc, but if folks do not access it, then its moot.

I know firsthand at trying to help in the mental health issues with drugs and alcohol.
You can be there, you can offer, but they have to want help, period.

Its not the gun, nor truck, nor booze or drugs, etc, the problem is at a much deeper level of consciousness.

All the politicizing, etc, will never solve it, no, but only add another layer of diversion that will have to be peeled back to repair this societal issue.

Do not discount for one second, how the media is complicit in the matter.
They will use any matter to enrich themselves financially, as "bad" news sells.
Yes, folks should be above the influences, for just as buying and holding a gun does not make you want to kill someone with it.....
But sadly we are seeing folks with diminished, and compromised mental faculties, clinging to NEWS as a justifying excuse to their insane thoughts.

There is a right, and a wrong, and we have gotten away from enforcing it......
Actions always have consequences, period, do not justify them, or you will slip down that very slope.      
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Reply #12 - 11/06/17 at 09:18:49
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/06/17 at 08:59:52:
Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.


Yeah, but Sandy Hook was fake...
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Reply #13 - 11/06/17 at 09:27:51
 
You can't see the obvious, you sure as Hell can't work through the details that would be necessary to discern that as a possibility.
You don't have the guts to look honestly at something that you NEED to Be what you were Told it Was.
Until you can discuss why we destroyed the irrigation system, you and I don't really need to pretend there is some debate.
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Reply #14 - 11/06/17 at 09:29:54
 
“ … If our president thinks it’s a mental health issue, then why did he do this? …”

WOW,  the  PERFECT  LIE, by Omission of  FACTS.
     (Er’  SPIN)


“…The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database…”

So, Grama and Gramps, are retired. They bought a moterhome.
They are going to drive around the Country, seeing the sights, and visiting their kids and grand kids.
They have couple of Credit Cards, and Cell Phones.
They use them.  They have no, ‘permanent’, resident address to get mail at,
so they assigned one of their kids, to take their account, and pay the CC/phone bills.

One assigning, their, financial affairs to another, makes them, ‘unfit to handle their own financial affairs’.
POOF,  They are,  ‘Mentally ILL’, Because  the ‘wanna be  King’, thought of a  Back Door way to get more, ‘Gun Control’.

LIE, by Omission of, FACTS !

Now before a, ANTIFA  Ideals  Supporter, gets their panties in a bunch.
the part; ‘…people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses…”

Is  ALREADY, Covered, in the  MANDATORY,  Background check.


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