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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #15 - 07/19/17 at 09:41:08

IslandRoad wrote on 07/19/17 at 09:30:47:

Buying timber is fun. We still use the term 4 x 2. I assume it's 4" x 2". Which is about 100 mm x 50 mm. But (of course) that's the rough cut size. After it's dressed it's nearer to 90 mm x 45 mm.

Yeah, that is one stupid thing we do. Thankfully I get it because my dad was a contractor, but how many do it yourself folks here in the states goes and buys a 2 x 4 and pre-cuts their materials only to wonder why everything is 1/2" off? They should either let the darn things dry to 2"x 4" or call them 1.5" x 3.5". Doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as "two by four" but at least everyone knows they are buying a "one and a half by three and a half".

I am surprised on one has tried a class action lawsuit claiming that the lumber industry undersold them by half an inch based on the name of the product.

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IslandRoad Serious Thumper Offline It doesn't vibrate, it purrs! Posts: 1147 The Kiewa Valley, Australia Gender:	Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial Reply #16 - 07/19/17 at 09:50:28 stewmills wrote on 07/19/17 at 07:59:33: ... Screw it...I have recently incorporated a new town and we're going to have our own measurement system called stewmeters. So can I buy a Stew-ometer online? Or will they only be available by mail-order from the back page of a comic book?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28780 L.A. California Gender:	Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial Reply #19 - 07/19/17 at 14:08:04 Papa Bear wrote on 07/19/17 at 13:37:25: I have a good set of BSW tools for sale from my 1965 BSA Lightning Rocket I ought to put you in touch with my brother... he's restored my dad's BSA Gold Star powered side hack.
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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #20 - 07/19/17 at 14:19:24

jcstokes wrote on 07/19/17 at 13:18:45:

Island Road, you could always search Aussie EBAY for imperial micrometers and calipers.

I've got a digital set of calipers that show either with the touch of a button ☺

It just frys my head doing conversions for drawings - if I try to use standard fractional sizes. 0.21 of an inch (or something like that) is kinda useless when recommending which bolts to buy Shocked

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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #21 - 07/19/17 at 14:30:35

IslandRoad wrote on 07/19/17 at 14:19:24:

jcstokes wrote on 07/19/17 at 13:18:45:

Island Road, you could always search Aussie EBAY for imperial micrometers and calipers.

I've got a digital set of calipers that show either with the touch of a button ☺

It just frys my head doing conversions for drawings - if I try to use standard fractional sizes. 0.21 of an inch (or something like that) is kinda useless when recommending which bolts to buy Shocked

I'm an engineer, so this sort of thing comes natural to me. And I'd say, don't worry about it, let the 'user beware' and adjust the values to his taste. And as you said, digital calipers have inch/mm conversion on them. And except for bolts, I wouldn't convert anyway, metric bolts on a metric bike unless I'm using a sheet metal screw. Then #4's don't convert, just use an M3. Cool

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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #22 - 07/19/17 at 14:37:32

I rode to Tubac on I-19 today...
It's the only US highway marked in km's... and, it has a roundabout!...
Cool!...

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I-19 is unique among US Interstates, because signed distances are given in meters (hundreds or thousands as distance-to-exit indications) or kilometers (as distance-to-destination indications), and not miles. However, the speed limit signs give speeds in miles per hour. According to the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT), metric signs were originally placed because of the push toward the metric system in the United States at the time of the original construction of the highway

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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #23 - 07/19/17 at 14:51:19

verslagen1 wrote on 07/19/17 at 14:30:35:

IslandRoad wrote on 07/19/17 at 14:19:24:

jcstokes wrote on 07/19/17 at 13:18:45:

Island Road, you could always search Aussie EBAY for imperial micrometers and calipers.

I've got a digital set of calipers that show either with the touch of a button ☺

It just frys my head doing conversions for drawings - if I try to use standard fractional sizes. 0.21 of an inch (or something like that) is kinda useless when recommending which bolts to buy Shocked

I'm an engineer, so this sort of thing comes natural to me. And I'd say, don't worry about it, let the 'user beware' and adjust the values to his taste. And as you said, digital calipers have inch/mm conversion on them. And except for bolts, I wouldn't convert anyway, metric bolts on a metric bike unless I'm using a sheet metal screw. Then #4's don't convert, just use an M3. Cool

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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #24 - 07/19/17 at 15:03:01

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Serowbot wrote on 07/19/17 at 14:37:32:

I rode to Tubac on I-19 today...
It's the only US highway marked in km's... and, it has a roundabout!...
Cool!...

from Wiki...
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I-19 is unique among US Interstates, because signed distances are given in meters (hundreds or thousands as distance-to-exit indications) or kilometers (as distance-to-destination indications), and not miles. However, the speed limit signs give speeds in miles per hour. According to the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT), metric signs were originally placed because of the push toward the metric system in the United States at the time of the original construction of the highway

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Metric_Interstate_1...

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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #26 - 07/19/17 at 15:56:31

Nice one IR

Here's some more helpfully confusing info:
40 thousandths of an inch (.040) make up 1mm. So that's easy.
Some metric and imperial tools can substitute for one another in the privacy of your own shed.
5/16 = 8mm
7/16 = 11mm
9/16 = 14mm
11/16= 17mm
3/4 = 19mm
15/16 = 24mm

The in between sizes, you're on your own. 1/2 isn't quite 13mm.

And you can buy flank drive tools now that work on metric and imperial fasteners both.

I'm ok with using imperial: My old cars were imperial, I worked as a diesel mechanic on American stuff (also imperial) and my other sport measures in MPH only, so I'm ok using that, too. I do prefer imperial pints over American ones though. Which makes me wonder whether the American one should be considered a "metric" pint? Tongue

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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #27 - 07/19/17 at 22:45:05

stewmills wrote:

"I am surprised no one has tried a class action lawsuit claiming
that the lumber industry undersold them by half an inch based
on the name of the product."

Actually, there was a class action lawsuit filed just last month
for exactly that reason:

http://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/news/woodworking-industry-news/home-depot-m...

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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #28 - 07/20/17 at 10:29:56

I've been working on my own bikes since 1973 when I was just 10 years old. My first tool kit was the one Suzuki put in the vinyl pouch hidden in the side cover of my TS-50. Since this was my first introduction to mechanics I had no problem learning and adapting to the metric system (I didn't have to unlearn another system). Then later in life all of my early cars were of Japanese origin...and my metric tool collection continued to build.

Fast forward to 1989 when I began to build an airplane. Everything in that world is SAE and I didn't own any SAE tools. I had to quickly develop a practical understanding of fractions. It took a few weeks but I adapted.

I much prefer the metric system. I'm getting a little tired of converting units of measure, weights and volumes.

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Re: A polemic (and a plea) - metric v imperial
Reply #29 - 07/20/17 at 10:55:38

verslagen1 wrote on 07/19/17 at 14:08:04:

Papa Bear wrote on 07/19/17 at 13:37:25:

I have a good set of BSW tools for sale from my 1965 BSA Lightning Rocket

I ought to put you in touch with my brother... he's restored my dad's BSA Gold Star powered side hack.
http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/images/dads86.jpg
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