Lincoln would not allow secession.
The north mistreated the south economically.

If you joined a club and the reason for joining was Mutual Benefit, but over time it changed and You weren't benefiting any more.
Are you wrong to disassociate?

I offered a thought exercise. That you have to see black and white is a problem.

.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.[4]

The States entered into an agreement. When some states started feeling abused as others benefit, they wanted out.

That's not wrong.
Believe what you were taught forever.
I believed as you for many years.
I've seen enough lies to allow me to change what I believe when enough evidence contradicts what I was taught.

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/17 at 13:00:26:


Jog makes a fair point that just can't be dismissed.

No, the country is not a club, but it was much closer to one back then. States rights was a real thing then, not a forgotten concept like today. Hell, weren't the two states the Hatfield and McCoy's were from seriously considering sending their state militias to invade each other to fight on their side's behalf? Seem to remember that.

The leftover pain of the civil war and 17th amendment more than anything, watered down states rights which erased the idea of a "club". We are dominated by a Federal Government now, for good or bad depending how you look at it.

But, objecting to this ridicules fad we're going though of removing any statute that someone finds offensive does not make someone pro-slavery, anti-black or the silliest of all, pro-Hitler.

They were a group of loose knit territories called states back then.  

http://www.john-adams-heritage.com/treaty-of-paris-1783/

Article 1: Acknowledging the thirteen colonies as free sovereign and independent states and relinquishing all claims to property and territorial rights.


They were still fighting the British till February of 1815.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

Best regards,

Interestingly enough, I was in Charleston today.  You can see Fort Sumter out in the harbor.  Charleston is a fantastic town.

Best regards,

Of course it was part of the deal. Some people on here got educated from watching MTV. It's not entirely their fault they don't know any better.

That was an excellent response, one I had not considered......

However, to answer a question that wasn't posed with any honest attempt at enlightenment, but a gotcha, is about as useless as tits on a man.

But thanks anyway Pessi, I got sumtin outta it