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Reply #30 - 01/12/17 at 16:14:29
 
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 I take the low road when others are blocking the way of the high road with ignorance.


Yet another insulting comment, that road goes in both directions.  As opposed to providing a compelling view point, you enjoy these condescending assertions.   You are just another sanctimonious liberal hypocrite.  

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They will be running his business while he's in office... .. except for the one's that will be working with him...Roll Eyes
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pg wrote on 01/12/17 at 16:14:29:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/12/17 at 08:34:51:
 I take the low road when others are blocking the way of the high road with ignorance.


Yet another insulting comment, that road goes in both directions.  As opposed to providing a compelling view point, you enjoy these condescending assertions.   You are just another sanctimonious liberal hypocrite.  

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Reply #33 - 01/13/17 at 08:27:08
 
MnSpring wrote on 01/12/17 at 18:05:16:
[color=#0000ff][color=#0000ff]Serowbot wrote on 01/11/17 at 13:04:27:
They will be running his business while he's in office... .. except for the one's that will be working with him...Roll Eyes
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I read in his biography that he put it in a blind trust - and after his presidency, the trustees had mismanaged it to the point of near bankruptcy.  They were headed by Charles Kirbo.
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Reply #34 - 01/13/17 at 10:01:32
 
Blind AND Stupid trust.
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Reply #35 - 01/13/17 at 14:17:43
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/11/17 at 17:16:38:
Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 15:24:46:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/11/17 at 15:17:33:
Joer0952 wrote on 01/11/17 at 14:46:08:
none of those were steady incomes that amassed any wealth that could be seen as a conflict of interest.  It wasn't 200million it was 1 million


That's not the point - You simply stated that Sanders was a "bum" - he wasn't.

And you're wrong again, it was $200 million - you see, he inherited his father's fortune.  Oh, and let's not forget that daddy also went to one of his failing casinos and bought $3.5 million in chips and walked out.  Donny is the furthest thing from "Self-made"

while I said he was a bum I said his first real job was in his 40's His father died in 1999 so the 200 million inheritance was after he was already a millionaire many times over.  He definitely had failures but read any book about success and it will tell you you have to take risk and be ready to fail.  Many very successful people have failed in the past but when there are many more hits then misses that is what is important



Ok... then why does he refuse to disclose his taxes?  Sorry, I don't buy the "audit" excuse.  He's very evasive on this.  


You can believe anything you want but many lawyers have agreed that it would be legal malpractice to advise someone to release their taxes during an audit (see link)

http://lawnewz.com/politics/legal-experts-side-with-trump-it-would-be-totally...
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Reply #36 - 01/13/17 at 15:16:05
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/13/17 at 14:17:43:
You can believe anything you want but many lawyers have agreed that it would be legal malpractice to advise someone to release their taxes during an audit (see link)

http://lawnewz.com/politics/legal-experts-side-with-trump-it-would-be-totally...



The Short Answer

How does Trump's explanation for refusing to release his returns hold up?

NPR spoke with three tax experts, two of whom wanted to talk on background only. They included one former high-ranking government official.

Their conclusion: No law exists barring people from releasing their tax returns during an audit.

The Long Answer

"He can obviously release them if he wants to," said Daniel Shaviro, professor of taxation at New York University Law School. But Shaviro conceded, as other tax experts have, that Trump's lawyers may advise him not to release the returns for legal strategy purposes.

"I can imagine either my lawyer or my PR adviser saying 'don't' until the audit is over," Shaviro said.

It's harder to parse Trump's statement that he is audited more frequently than normal, because he didn't say whether he is audited as an individual or a company.

As a general matter, "high-wealth individuals with complicated returns and big deductions may naturally get pulled up fairly regularly," Shaviro said. Still, annual audits of an individual are unusual and suggest the IRS may have concerns about the person's finances, another expert said.

Much more common are regular audits of companies. As a limited partnership with numerous real estate holdings, the Trump organization is likely to have fairly complicated finances, which would make it a regular target of the IRS, the expert said.
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Reply #37 - 01/13/17 at 15:21:38
 
Not the short or long answer just the bottom line.  You want so badly to demonize Trump in any way possible that you just can't admit that it would be a very bad idea to release your tax return during an audit

Robert Barnes, a Los Angeles based attorney:

“I see some of my colleagues would tell their clients to release their tax returns to the public during an audit. Ask them to name a single client they actually gave that advice to. I think that would be legal malpractice, and would recommend their clients sue them if they gave that advice. I advise my clients (hundreds over the years who actually experience an IRS inquiry) to NEVER release their tax returns while an audit is going on.  I am certain Mr. Trump’s lawyers, very capable and well-respected in this field, have advised him not to disclose his tax returns during the audit. There are many reasons for this.

First of all, and most importantly, the IRS is not allowed to show your client’s tax returns to anyone else. Such returns are protected by the privacy laws of section 6103 of Title 26 of the Code. The only way they could do so if your client had a lawyer dumb enough to let you disclose those records publicly. The IRS could then misuse this otherwise private information to make the audit process more difficult at many levels, and could cause problems for other entirely innocent businesses you do business with.

Second, releasing the returns during an audit could cause anyone who has a grievance with you to misuse the released information, and try to intervene in the audit process, for their own personal, financial or political gain. I have been through this several times in other contexts where such records were obtained by people with an interest adverse to my client, which unnecessarily protracted the process as undue expense and harassment of my client.

Third, tax returns usually reveal business strategies that may need revision during the audit process, for which untimely disclosure could unduly hinder and harm, with third parties often the victim as much as the client.”
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Reply #38 - 01/13/17 at 15:41:37
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/13/17 at 15:21:38:
Not the short or long answer just the bottom line.  You want so badly to demonize Trump in any way possible that you just can't admit that it would be a very bad idea to release your tax return during an audit

Robert Barnes, a Los Angeles based attorney:

“I see some of my colleagues would tell their clients to release their tax returns to the public during an audit. Ask them to name a single client they actually gave that advice to. I think that would be legal malpractice, and would recommend their clients sue them if they gave that advice. I advise my clients (hundreds over the years who actually experience an IRS inquiry) to NEVER release their tax returns while an audit is going on.  I am certain Mr. Trump’s lawyers, very capable and well-respected in this field, have advised him not to disclose his tax returns during the audit. There are many reasons for this.

First of all, and most importantly, the IRS is not allowed to show your client’s tax returns to anyone else. Such returns are protected by the privacy laws of section 6103 of Title 26 of the Code. The only way they could do so if your client had a lawyer dumb enough to let you disclose those records publicly. The IRS could then misuse this otherwise private information to make the audit process more difficult at many levels, and could cause problems for other entirely innocent businesses you do business with.

Second, releasing the returns during an audit could cause anyone who has a grievance with you to misuse the released information, and try to intervene in the audit process, for their own personal, financial or political gain. I have been through this several times in other contexts where such records were obtained by people with an interest adverse to my client, which unnecessarily protracted the process as undue expense and harassment of my client.

Third, tax returns usually reveal business strategies that may need revision during the audit process, for which untimely disclosure could unduly hinder and harm, with third parties often the victim as much as the client.”



The overall point is this - donny refuses to release his taxes even though he could, and that is wrong.

This isn't some guy becoming CEO of a multinational - this is MY President.  The position is held to a higher standard than any other in the world.  You darn right I want to demonize him - just a little taste of his own medicine.  The day you throw your hat in the ring is the day you stop becoming a private citizen.  You open yourself up to the entire nation - and you darned well better be ready.

donny is not - I mean, c'mon, look at his tweets and the press conference he just had!  I hope for his sake that he surrounds himself with intelligent people, because every time he opens his tiny orange mouth, he embarasses himself and our country.

As I've said several times before - I hope that I'm wrong and that he somehow falls into the job and does right by America.  But with every tweet and public statement, I'm just not seeing it yet.
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Reply #39 - 01/13/17 at 15:47:59
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/13/17 at 15:41:37:
Joer0952 wrote on 01/13/17 at 15:21:38:
Not the short or long answer just the bottom line.  You want so badly to demonize Trump in any way possible that you just can't admit that it would be a very bad idea to release your tax return during an audit

Robert Barnes, a Los Angeles based attorney:

“I see some of my colleagues would tell their clients to release their tax returns to the public during an audit. Ask them to name a single client they actually gave that advice to. I think that would be legal malpractice, and would recommend their clients sue them if they gave that advice. I advise my clients (hundreds over the years who actually experience an IRS inquiry) to NEVER release their tax returns while an audit is going on.  I am certain Mr. Trump’s lawyers, very capable and well-respected in this field, have advised him not to disclose his tax returns during the audit. There are many reasons for this.

First of all, and most importantly, the IRS is not allowed to show your client’s tax returns to anyone else. Such returns are protected by the privacy laws of section 6103 of Title 26 of the Code. The only way they could do so if your client had a lawyer dumb enough to let you disclose those records publicly. The IRS could then misuse this otherwise private information to make the audit process more difficult at many levels, and could cause problems for other entirely innocent businesses you do business with.

Second, releasing the returns during an audit could cause anyone who has a grievance with you to misuse the released information, and try to intervene in the audit process, for their own personal, financial or political gain. I have been through this several times in other contexts where such records were obtained by people with an interest adverse to my client, which unnecessarily protracted the process as undue expense and harassment of my client.

Third, tax returns usually reveal business strategies that may need revision during the audit process, for which untimely disclosure could unduly hinder and harm, with third parties often the victim as much as the client.”



The overall point is this - donny refuses to release his taxes even though he could, and that is wrong.

This isn't some guy becoming CEO of a multinational - this is MY President.  The position is held to a higher standard than any other in the world.  You darn right I want to demonize him - just a little taste of his own medicine.  The day you throw your hat in the ring is the day you stop becoming a private citizen.  You open yourself up to the entire nation - and you darned well better be ready.

donny is not - I mean, c'mon, look at his tweets and the press conference he just had!  I hope for his sake that he surrounds himself with intelligent people, because every time he opens his tiny orange mouth, he embarasses himself and our country.

As I've said several times before - I hope that I'm wrong and that he somehow falls into the job and does right by America.  But with every tweet and public statement, I'm just not seeing it yet.

Just out of curiosity is this better or worse than killary deleting 30k emails after they are subpoenaed?
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Reply #40 - 01/13/17 at 15:49:53
 
Good grief,  look at the last fifty years.
Does Anyone Really believe Trump will screw us WORSE?
Have fun with Trumps tweets.
He shut down the ethics committee ripoff with one.

The reporters and politicians all have their
Im telling you the truth and no matter how upset about things I Should be, I'm very cool,calm and collected.
Screw that. Loosen up.
That's PART of today's
New Normal.
We've been Civilized... By PC bullshit.
A man who has some strength and passion isn't completely muzzled is scary..
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Reply #41 - 01/13/17 at 16:48:41
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/13/17 at 15:49:53:
Good grief,  look at the last fifty years.
Does Anyone Really believe Trump will screw us WORSE?
Have fun with Trumps tweets.
He shut down the ethics committee ripoff with one.

The reporters and politicians all have their
Im telling you the truth and no matter how upset about things I Should be, I'm very cool,calm and collected.
Screw that. Loosen up.
That's PART of today's
New Normal.
We've been Civilized... By PC bullshit.
A man who has some strength and passion isn't completely muzzled is scary..


Having intelligence and being muzzled is indeed a shame.  However, this man brings nothing but empty rhetoric to the table.  He's changed his opinion on pretty much everything he's ever said.  He lacks conviction and credibility.  He's thin-skinned and feels threatened by every negative public opinion expressed about him.  He talks first and thinks later.  He's a textbook misogynist.  It is a fact that he has failed in more business ventures than he's succeeded at. (yeah, so did Edison, but at least he added to the greater good - donny just puts his name on overpriced hotels..)

I do agree with you - it's part of the new normal, but... there's precedent being set.  The next person to run in 2020 will not be obligated to provide any past tax information.  Further, they will be allowed to tell members of the press that they are invalid/fake during a news conference.  They can claim, with no proof, that there were millions of fraudulent votes.  Also, the first families will not be expected to live in the White House, and the adult children can run businesses within arm's reach of the president.  This will be the tip of the iceberg - I expect donny to set new precedents nearly every day of the next 4 years.

You honestly mean to tell me that if Obama were to have a background like donny's - that would have been ok with everyone??  Multiple wives, multiple bankruptcies, his children involved in high level international meetings, his current wife and son not living in the White House, remaining as a producer on a reality tv show, visiting a Christian university and not knowing the way to read a Bible verse, being caught on camera talking about grabbing women.... ??

I mean, seriously??  The right would have gone bat crap crazy!!!  Just look at all of the examples of people (both private and in the media) calling him a Muslim, a dictator, the devil, the antichrist, not born in this country, etc.  Remember all the horrible things that were supposed to happen under Obama?  Where are the death panels, microchips in our heads and why aren't we under sharia law?  

Anyway...

No, this man trump represents the deep-seated hypocrisy of the current GOP.  They don't care that he's not really a republican - seriously, look at his record.  They just care about getting someone in that wears their pin - they'll take care of the rest.  So much for the "morality" of the right.  But who cares?  We're gonna repeal ACA, we're gonna put the National Parks up for sale, we're gonna squeeze the Middle East even more and if something goes wrong, we're gonna blame donny.

Now before you go and call me an idiot lib (I know that I am), the democrats are just as bad.  They lost at getting their button wearer in the chair.  The democratic party is at an all time low in terms of political capital.  Why do you think Sanders gave hillary such a run for her money?  I will say this though - hillary would have, at the very least, not embarrassed the country in the process of selling it.  donny's just gonna put his name in gold letters on us for the sale...
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Reply #42 - 01/13/17 at 18:04:32
 
Here is where you swerve and miss reality.....

Trump is NOT a repub, as you claim. Why would Mister Republican, and his family, B1, vote for Hillary, if it was as you say?

You field this question honestly, and maybe we can continue....
Or you can keep assigning fact to Trump, that is only supposition at this point in time, and pretend.


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Reply #43 - 01/13/17 at 18:33:54
 
Having intelligence and being muzzled is indeed a shame.  However, this man brings nothing but empty rhetoric to the table.  He's changed his opinion on pretty much everything he's ever said.  He lacks conviction and credibility.  

To some degree every politician in human history has done this

He's thin-skinned and feels threatened by every negative public opinion expressed about him.  He talks first and thinks later.  He's a textbook misogynist.

He is not a misogynist thats bullshit he has women in senior exec positions in his company.  Being heterosexual is not misogynistic

 It is a fact that he has failed in more business ventures than he's succeeded at. (yeah, so did Edison, but at least he added to the greater good - donny just puts his name on overpriced hotels..)

Tell that to the 1000's of people who cash a paycheck b/c of those businesses

I do agree with you - it's part of the new normal, but... there's precedent being set.  The next person to run in 2020 will not be obligated to provide any past tax information.  Further, they will be allowed to tell members of the press that they are invalid/fake during a news conference.

If its the truth then thats fine, sometimes the truth hurts

 They can claim, with no proof, that there were millions of fraudulent votes.

I dont understand are we talking about the dems now?

 Also, the first families will not be expected to live in the White House,

So what he wants to wait till his son finishes school b/c he doesn't want to take him out of school what does that matter

and the adult children can run businesses within arm's reach of the president.

Many presidents put their businesses in trusts (carter, a dem, put his peanut farm in a trust)

 This will be the tip of the iceberg - I expect donny to set new precedents nearly every day of the next 4 years.

thats what I'm banking on

You honestly mean to tell me that if Obama were to have a background like donny's - that would have been ok with everyone??  Multiple wives

what does multiple wives have to do with anything

, multiple bankruptcies, his children involved in high level international meetings, his current wife and son not living in the White House, remaining as a producer on a reality tv show

so what, what does that have to do with anything

, visiting a Christian university and not knowing the way to read a Bible verse, being caught on camera talking about grabbing women.... ??

actually if you turn of the liberal filter and listen he is talking about how absurd it is that women let you do that stuff if your famous, which is accurate commentary.  For that matter Kennedy, one of your boys, was screwing everything that moved and Clinton, another one of your guys was sticking cigars in a girls girl thingy

I mean, seriously??  The right would have gone bat crap crazy!!!  Just look at all of the examples of people (both private and in the media) calling him a Muslim, a dictator, the devil, the antichrist, not born in this country, etc.  Remember all the horrible things that were supposed to happen under Obama?  Where are the death panels, microchips in our heads and why aren't we under sharia law?  

...u think the country is in good shape now?  He could only get 127k refugees in, if he had more time maybe he could have gotten enough in to instate sharia law, polls show that a high % of muslims in this country think that sharia law should supersede the constitution
Anyway...

No, this man trump represents the deep-seated hypocrisy of the current GOP.  They don't care that he's not really a republican - seriously, look at his record.  They just care about getting someone in that wears their pin - they'll take care of the rest.  So much for the "morality" of the right.  But who cares?  We're gonna repeal ACA, we're gonna put the National Parks up for sale, we're gonna squeeze the Middle East even more and if something goes wrong, we're gonna blame donny.

Im not a republican I an a constitutional conservative libertarian I can give a crap less what pin he wears I agree with his stance on the issues.  who is selling national parks?????

Now before you go and call me an idiot lib (I know that I am), the democrats are just as bad.  They lost at getting their button wearer in the chair.  The democratic party is at an all time low in terms of political capital.  Why do you think Sanders gave hillary such a run for her money?  

For the most part because there are a lot of lazy people that want free stuff they didn't earn and don't want to work to get

I will say this though - hillary would have, at the very least, not embarrassed the country in the process of selling it.  donny's just gonna put his name in gold letters on us for the sale...

What are you talking about, have you not followed Hillary over the past 30+ years, her candidacy was an embarrassment, if her last name wasn't clinton she would have been in prison and not running for the white house .  Trumps not in anyones pocket, so there isn't a for sale sign
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I get a job with a company that provides me a house and I decline?
Cry about it. Let Hillary use it. She can rent rooms out.
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