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Message started by Serowbot on 01/11/17 at 13:04:27

Title: Trump's blind children...
Post by Serowbot on 01/11/17 at 13:04:27

They will be running his business while he's in office... .. except for the one's that will be working with him...::)

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 13:12:12

Sounds about right except technically the daughter has no official role her husband does

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 13:51:21


4650475A42575A41350 wrote:
They will be running his business while he's in office... .. except for the one's that will be working with him...::)


Yeah, no conflict of interest there...... (smh)

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 14:04:55


677976777A677C61130 wrote:
[quote author=4650475A42575A41350 link=1484168668/0#0 date=1484168667]They will be running his business while he's in office... .. except for the one's that will be working with him...::)


Yeah, no conflict of interest there...... (smh)[/quote]

yeah it would be a lot easier if he was a total waste of space for most of his life like sanders.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 14:10:29


00252F387A737F784A0 wrote:
yeah it would be a lot easier if he was a total waste of space for most of his life like sanders.


LOL - good one - great way to bring up Bernie Sanders for like, no reason.  

Too bad it's a false statement, but whatever makes you feel good.  

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 14:14:38


594748494459425F2D0 wrote:
[quote author=00252F387A737F784A0 link=1484168668/0#3 date=1484172295]
yeah it would be a lot easier if he was a total waste of space for most of his life like sanders.


LOL - good one - great way to bring up Bernie Sanders for like, no reason.  

Too bad it's a false statement, but whatever makes you feel good.  [/quote]
Do you deny that his first real job was in his 40's as mayor of Burlington VT.  if you can fault trump for a conflict of interest because he worked hard and creating an empire can't i fault bernie for being a bum

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 14:42:18


496C6671333A3631030 wrote:
Do you deny that his first real job was in his 40's as mayor of Burlington VT.  if you can fault trump for a conflict of interest because he worked hard and creating an empire can't i fault bernie for being a bum


I do deny that - I'm no apologist, but this is pretty easy to find on the "google machine":

After graduating from college, Sanders returned to New York City, where he initially worked at a variety of jobs, including Head Start teacher, psychiatric aide, and carpenter. In 1968, Sanders moved to Vermont because he had been "captivated by rural life." After his arrival there he worked as a carpenter,filmmaker, and writer who created and sold "radical film strips" and other educational materials to schools. He also wrote several articles for the alternative publication The Vermont Freeman.

But about that "empire" that donny "built".  LOL, well if by "built" you mean getting $200 million from daddy, then OK - and if by "empire" you mean the one he won't disclose to the public, then OK again.    ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 14:46:08


7B656A6B667B607D0F0 wrote:
[quote author=496C6671333A3631030 link=1484168668/0#5 date=1484172878]
Do you deny that his first real job was in his 40's as mayor of Burlington VT.  if you can fault trump for a conflict of interest because he worked hard and creating an empire can't i fault bernie for being a bum


I do deny that - I'm no apologist, but this is pretty easy to find on the "google machine":

After graduating from college, Sanders returned to New York City, where he initially worked at a variety of jobs, including Head Start teacher, psychiatric aide, and carpenter. In 1968, Sanders moved to Vermont because he had been "captivated by rural life." After his arrival there he worked as a carpenter,filmmaker, and writer who created and sold "radical film strips" and other educational materials to schools. He also wrote several articles for the alternative publication The Vermont Freeman.

But about that "empire" that donny "built".  LOL, well if by "built" you mean getting $200 million from daddy, then OK - and if by "empire" you mean the one he won't disclose to the public, then OK again.    ;D
[/quote]
none of those were steady incomes that amassed any wealth that could be seen as a conflict of interest.  It wasn't 200million it was 1 million

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 15:17:33


5E7B7166242D2126140 wrote:
none of those were steady incomes that amassed any wealth that could be seen as a conflict of interest.  It wasn't 200million it was 1 million


That's not the point - You simply stated that Sanders was a "bum" - he wasn't.

And you're wrong again, it was $200 million - you see, he inherited his father's fortune.  Oh, and let's not forget that daddy also went to one of his failing casinos and bought $3.5 million in chips and walked out.  Donny is the furthest thing from "Self-made"

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 15:24:46


2A343B3A372A312C5E0 wrote:
[quote author=5E7B7166242D2126140 link=1484168668/0#7 date=1484174768]
none of those were steady incomes that amassed any wealth that could be seen as a conflict of interest.  It wasn't 200million it was 1 million


That's not the point - You simply stated that Sanders was a "bum" - he wasn't.

And you're wrong again, it was $200 million - you see, he inherited his father's fortune.  Oh, and let's not forget that daddy also went to one of his failing casinos and bought $3.5 million in chips and walked out.  Donny is the furthest thing from "Self-made"[/quote]
while I said he was a bum I said his first real job was in his 40's His father died in 1999 so the 200 million inheritance was after he was already a millionaire many times over.  He definitely had failures but read any book about success and it will tell you you have to take risk and be ready to fail.  Many very successful people have failed in the past but when there are many more hits then misses that is what is important

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Serowbot on 01/11/17 at 15:38:40

Trump calls his national intel briefs nonsense, but praises the National Enquirer... ::)

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/11/17 at 15:54:38


6375627F67727F64100 wrote:
Trump calls his national intel briefs nonsense, but praises the National Enquirer... ::)

I can go back and forth with you guys about trump said this trump said that and pick apart some bs obama has said over the years, but I am more concerned about what they do.  If trump does well ill be happy, if he F**ks up ill call him on it, but for now I'm optimistic, and certainly more so than if hillary was president or if obama was still president.  

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 16:04:50

Don't remember what was suggested?
Hey, let's give the Donald fake briefings!
Don't remember the
Intelligence Reports
that were lies, in order to create a reason for invading Iraq?

I'm not there. Pretty sure nobody Here has a clue about what they are telling him. I wonder if he has back channel sources of information that he trusts and that are giving him different information.

Enquirer has CNN beat,

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 17:16:38


15303A2D6F666A6D5F0 wrote:
[quote author=2A343B3A372A312C5E0 link=1484168668/0#8 date=1484176653][quote author=5E7B7166242D2126140 link=1484168668/0#7 date=1484174768]
none of those were steady incomes that amassed any wealth that could be seen as a conflict of interest.  It wasn't 200million it was 1 million


That's not the point - You simply stated that Sanders was a "bum" - he wasn't.

And you're wrong again, it was $200 million - you see, he inherited his father's fortune.  Oh, and let's not forget that daddy also went to one of his failing casinos and bought $3.5 million in chips and walked out.  Donny is the furthest thing from "Self-made"[/quote]
while I said he was a bum I said his first real job was in his 40's His father died in 1999 so the 200 million inheritance was after he was already a millionaire many times over.  He definitely had failures but read any book about success and it will tell you you have to take risk and be ready to fail.  Many very successful people have failed in the past but when there are many more hits then misses that is what is important[/quote]


Ok... then why does he refuse to disclose his taxes?  Sorry, I don't buy the "audit" excuse.  He's very evasive on this.  

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by pg on 01/11/17 at 17:34:27

Bernie is a genuine communist.  Are you aware he went to the Soviet Union for his honey moon?   :-?

Best regards,

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 17:41:47


0623293E7C75797E4C0 wrote:
[quote author=6375627F67727F64100 link=1484168668/0#10 date=1484177920]Trump calls his national intel briefs nonsense, but praises the National Enquirer... ::)

I can go back and forth with you guys about trump said this trump said that and pick apart some bs obama has said over the years, but I am more concerned about what they do.  If trump does well ill be happy, if he F**ks up ill call him on it, but for now I'm optimistic, and certainly more so than if hillary was president or if obama was still president.  [/quote]


Bingo..

Wasn't hard for me to see Bush sukkt. If Trump screws us, I will be here pointing at it.
Thankfully, Obama has been nothing but a raging success, so the people who elected him have nothing to point out that he screwed up.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/11/17 at 17:44:42

I'm waiting for Chelsea Clinton to run.....
After her parents Foundation money runs out.  ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 18:05:39

When I heard Chelsea had hired someone to check out some possible corruption in the organization I was really excited about the possibility that she is adopted. Switched at the hospital?
Or, maybe Webb Hubbell is such a truly good man that his genes cancelled out the soul sucking evil that is Hillary Clinton.

webb hubbell

Look at how much she looks like him.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by pg on 01/11/17 at 18:26:38


7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
When I heard Chelsea had hired someone to check out some possible corruption in the organization


Look up Eric Braverman, he was the CEO of their foundation.  He has been missing for almost 3 months now.  His partner is missing as well. 

Best regards,

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/11/17 at 18:40:00


57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
When I heard Chelsea had hired someone to check out some possible corruption in the organization I was really excited about the possibility that she is adopted. Switched at the hospital?
Or, maybe Webb Hubbell is such a truly good man that his genes cancelled out the soul sucking evil that is Hillary Clinton.

webb hubbell

Look at how much she looks like him.


DANG...... I knew those lips looked familiar  ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 19:11:23


3720262A2535470 wrote:
[quote author=7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 link=1484168668/15#17 date=1484186739]When I heard Chelsea had hired someone to check out some possible corruption in the organization


Look up Eric Braverman, he was the CEO of their foundation.  He has been missing for almost 3 months now.  His partner is missing as well. 

Best regards,[/quote]

I'm just glad I've never been on the Clinton Christmas Card list.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/11/17 at 20:47:54


6B7C7A7679691B0 wrote:
Bernie is a genuine communist.  Are you aware he went to the Soviet Union for his honey moon?   :-?

Best regards,


LMAO - you believe everything george will says, huh?  Sad.

In a 2007 interview, Jane Sanders also recalled the peculiar timing: “The day after we got married, we marched in a Memorial Day parade, and then we took off in a plane to start the sister city project with Yaroslavl with 10 other people on my honeymoon.” …

Will made it sound as if Sanders was visiting to condone Soviet torture practices, but the Burlington trip was more of a dialogue-building exchange program. The Vermont weekly newspaper Seven Days reported in 2009 that the sister-city relationship “helped local residents who sought to ease tensions between the United States and Soviet Union by initiating citizen-to-citizen exchanges with a Russian city.” …

Pull your head out.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by pg on 01/12/17 at 04:22:44


796768696479627F0D0 wrote:
Pull your head out.


You can not argue he did not go, no body in their right mind goes goes to the Soviet Union right after they get married.  I believe he went to see it while it was still intact.  

You have said on more than one occasion, "I question the integrity of this forum", yet you are not afraid to take the 'low road'.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/12/17 at 04:41:59


2136303C3323510 wrote:
[quote author=796768696479627F0D0 link=1484168668/15#21 date=1484196474]

Pull your head out.


You can not argue he did not go, no body in their right mind goes goes to the Soviet Union right after they get married.  I believe he went to see it while it was still intact.  

You have said on more than one occasion, "I question the integrity of this forum", yet you are not afraid to take the 'low road'.

Best regards,[/quote]

It would be nice to have a lib who could really offer substance instead of dogma.
When you are Lost, expecting directions of him, falls upon on our own culpability  ;D

Trying to put it all into context, I see Trump as a clown, Bozo like, as he turns it (questions, accusations, etc) back on the asker...

Libs, I see as Pee Wee Hermans  ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/12/17 at 08:34:51


2631373B3424560 wrote:
You can not argue he did not go, no body in their right mind goes goes to the Soviet Union right after they get married.  I believe he went to see it while it was still intact.  

You have said on more than one occasion, "I question the integrity of this forum", yet you are not afraid to take the 'low road'.

Best regards,


You can "believe" whatever you want - the fact is, Sanders and his wife DID go to Russia - but NOT for some "subversive scheme".

But, let's just say that was the intent.... what happened?  Where are all the communists???  Where are all the brown shirts???  What did Bernie accomplish with all his comrades??

smh

Live in reality, huh?  I take the low road when others are blocking the way of the high road with ignorance.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/12/17 at 08:38:53

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ADVVhtwumIE

This guy has done a case file type study, pictureboard , e-mail, who is apparently connected to whom, who is playing what role, pointing out WHEN a rash of women get kidnapped, and When they are either murdered or released, exposing how certain people are corrupted, then blackmailed. Gee, I Never thought about that, coff coff...
Several clips,

The partner hasn't been SEEN but electronic activity indicates he is still making a shadow. But, I could probably get your pin number out of you before I killed you..

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/12/17 at 08:42:07


31223A27223424430 wrote:
It would be nice to have a lib who could really offer substance instead of dogma.

Substance?  So, you didn't read any previous posts?  Do YOU have proof that Bernie was doing something subversive?  Not sure what your point is here...

When you are Lost, expecting directions of him, falls upon on our own culpability  ;D

Clearly I'm missing something - that makes no sense....

Trying to put it all into context, I see Trump as a clown, Bozo like, as he turns it (questions, accusations, etc) back on the asker...

Yes, that's what he is.

Libs, I see as Pee Wee Hermans  ;D


OK - that's your prerogative (sticks and stones...).  How do you see republicans?

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/12/17 at 08:46:27


081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ADVVhtwumIE

This guy has done a case file type study, pictureboard , e-mail, who is apparently connected to whom, who is playing what role, pointing out WHEN a rash of women get kidnapped, and When they are either murdered or released, exposing how certain people are corrupted, then blackmailed. Gee, I Never thought about that, coff coff...
Several clips,

The partner hasn't been SEEN but electronic activity indicates he is still making a shadow. But, I could probably get your pin number out of you before I killed you..



Wow.... you actually give guys like that credence?  To each their own I guess.   smh

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/12/17 at 08:52:54

An honest effort by an individual who has taken time to connect dots?
You better believe I give them some respect. Especially when the evidence and observed reality add up to agree with them.
Where does someone like that gain? Not asking for donations, just reporting on what he has discovered.
You do know that people can do things that nobody taught them to do..
I'm sure you spent time listening before you passed judgment.
Where did you see him go wrong?
Or is it just that he isn't a
Journalist?

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/12/17 at 09:23:19


435C5A5D40477646764E5C501B290 wrote:
An honest effort by an individual who has taken time to connect dots?
You better believe I give them some respect. Especially when the evidence and observed reality add up to agree with them.
Where does someone like that gain? Not asking for donations, just reporting on what he has discovered.
You do know that people can do things that nobody taught them to do..
I'm sure you spent time listening before you passed judgment.
Where did you see him go wrong?
Or is it just that he isn't a
Journalist?


Like I said - to each their own.  I watched the first 5 minutes and looked for the links he said would be below and they weren't.  His "connections" are all over the place.  The whole epstein thing is full of holes.  Where's the mention of donny?  He called epstein a "terrific guy".  This "journalist" is a conspiracy loon.  Sorry, if he were so darned accurate, he wouldn't be video recording his screen in the dark and would have more than 7k or so views on his posts.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by pg on 01/12/17 at 16:14:29


7C626D6C617C677A080 wrote:
 I take the low road when others are blocking the way of the high road with ignorance.


Yet another insulting comment, that road goes in both directions.  As opposed to providing a compelling view point, you enjoy these condescending assertions.   You are just another sanctimonious liberal hypocrite.  

Best regards,

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/12/17 at 18:05:16

[color=#0000ff]
2C3A2D30283D302B5F0 wrote:
They will be running his business while he's in office... .. except for the one's that will be working with him...::)
[/color]

Question:
Who 'ran',  Carters,  'Peanut  Farm', when he was in office  ?????

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/13/17 at 08:18:32


5740464A4555270 wrote:
[quote author=7C626D6C617C677A080 link=1484168668/15#24 date=1484238891]  I take the low road when others are blocking the way of the high road with ignorance.


Yet another insulting comment, that road goes in both directions.  As opposed to providing a compelling view point, you enjoy these condescending assertions.   You are just another sanctimonious liberal hypocrite.  

Best regards,
[/quote]

LMAO - YUUUP!!  And guess what?  There's not anything you can do about it!  awwwwwwww

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/13/17 at 08:27:08


1734092A2833343D5A0 wrote:
[color=#0000ff][color=#0000ff][quote author=2C3A2D30283D302B5F0 link=1484168668/0#0 date=1484168667]They will be running his business while he's in office... .. except for the one's that will be working with him...::)
[/color]

Question:
Who 'ran',  Carters,  'Peanut  Farm', when he was in office  ?????
[/quote][/color]

I read in his biography that he put it in a blind trust - and after his presidency, the trustees had mismanaged it to the point of near bankruptcy.  They were headed by Charles Kirbo.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/13/17 at 10:01:32

Blind AND Stupid trust.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/13/17 at 14:17:43


160807060B160D10620 wrote:
[quote author=15303A2D6F666A6D5F0 link=1484168668/0#9 date=1484177086][quote author=2A343B3A372A312C5E0 link=1484168668/0#8 date=1484176653][quote author=5E7B7166242D2126140 link=1484168668/0#7 date=1484174768]
none of those were steady incomes that amassed any wealth that could be seen as a conflict of interest.  It wasn't 200million it was 1 million


That's not the point - You simply stated that Sanders was a "bum" - he wasn't.

And you're wrong again, it was $200 million - you see, he inherited his father's fortune.  Oh, and let's not forget that daddy also went to one of his failing casinos and bought $3.5 million in chips and walked out.  Donny is the furthest thing from "Self-made"[/quote]
while I said he was a bum I said his first real job was in his 40's His father died in 1999 so the 200 million inheritance was after he was already a millionaire many times over.  He definitely had failures but read any book about success and it will tell you you have to take risk and be ready to fail.  Many very successful people have failed in the past but when there are many more hits then misses that is what is important[/quote]


Ok... then why does he refuse to disclose his taxes?  Sorry, I don't buy the "audit" excuse.  He's very evasive on this.  [/quote]

You can believe anything you want but many lawyers have agreed that it would be legal malpractice to advise someone to release their taxes during an audit (see link)

http://lawnewz.com/politics/legal-experts-side-with-trump-it-would-be-totally-stupid-to-release-his-taxes-during-audit/

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/13/17 at 15:16:05


6742485F1D14181F2D0 wrote:
You can believe anything you want but many lawyers have agreed that it would be legal malpractice to advise someone to release their taxes during an audit (see link)

http://lawnewz.com/politics/legal-experts-side-with-trump-it-would-be-totally-stupid-to-release-his-taxes-during-audit/



The Short Answer

How does Trump's explanation for refusing to release his returns hold up?

NPR spoke with three tax experts, two of whom wanted to talk on background only. They included one former high-ranking government official.

Their conclusion: No law exists barring people from releasing their tax returns during an audit.

The Long Answer

"He can obviously release them if he wants to," said Daniel Shaviro, professor of taxation at New York University Law School. But Shaviro conceded, as other tax experts have, that Trump's lawyers may advise him not to release the returns for legal strategy purposes.

"I can imagine either my lawyer or my PR adviser saying 'don't' until the audit is over," Shaviro said.

It's harder to parse Trump's statement that he is audited more frequently than normal, because he didn't say whether he is audited as an individual or a company.

As a general matter, "high-wealth individuals with complicated returns and big deductions may naturally get pulled up fairly regularly," Shaviro said. Still, annual audits of an individual are unusual and suggest the IRS may have concerns about the person's finances, another expert said.

Much more common are regular audits of companies. As a limited partnership with numerous real estate holdings, the Trump organization is likely to have fairly complicated finances, which would make it a regular target of the IRS, the expert said.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/13/17 at 15:21:38

Not the short or long answer just the bottom line.  You want so badly to demonize Trump in any way possible that you just can't admit that it would be a very bad idea to release your tax return during an audit

Robert Barnes, a Los Angeles based attorney:

“I see some of my colleagues would tell their clients to release their tax returns to the public during an audit. Ask them to name a single client they actually gave that advice to. I think that would be legal malpractice, and would recommend their clients sue them if they gave that advice. I advise my clients (hundreds over the years who actually experience an IRS inquiry) to NEVER release their tax returns while an audit is going on.  I am certain Mr. Trump’s lawyers, very capable and well-respected in this field, have advised him not to disclose his tax returns during the audit. There are many reasons for this.

First of all, and most importantly, the IRS is not allowed to show your client’s tax returns to anyone else. Such returns are protected by the privacy laws of section 6103 of Title 26 of the Code. The only way they could do so if your client had a lawyer dumb enough to let you disclose those records publicly. The IRS could then misuse this otherwise private information to make the audit process more difficult at many levels, and could cause problems for other entirely innocent businesses you do business with.

Second, releasing the returns during an audit could cause anyone who has a grievance with you to misuse the released information, and try to intervene in the audit process, for their own personal, financial or political gain. I have been through this several times in other contexts where such records were obtained by people with an interest adverse to my client, which unnecessarily protracted the process as undue expense and harassment of my client.

Third, tax returns usually reveal business strategies that may need revision during the audit process, for which untimely disclosure could unduly hinder and harm, with third parties often the victim as much as the client.”

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/13/17 at 15:41:37


6643495E1C15191E2C0 wrote:
Not the short or long answer just the bottom line.  You want so badly to demonize Trump in any way possible that you just can't admit that it would be a very bad idea to release your tax return during an audit

Robert Barnes, a Los Angeles based attorney:

“I see some of my colleagues would tell their clients to release their tax returns to the public during an audit. Ask them to name a single client they actually gave that advice to. I think that would be legal malpractice, and would recommend their clients sue them if they gave that advice. I advise my clients (hundreds over the years who actually experience an IRS inquiry) to NEVER release their tax returns while an audit is going on.  I am certain Mr. Trump’s lawyers, very capable and well-respected in this field, have advised him not to disclose his tax returns during the audit. There are many reasons for this.

First of all, and most importantly, the IRS is not allowed to show your client’s tax returns to anyone else. Such returns are protected by the privacy laws of section 6103 of Title 26 of the Code. The only way they could do so if your client had a lawyer dumb enough to let you disclose those records publicly. The IRS could then misuse this otherwise private information to make the audit process more difficult at many levels, and could cause problems for other entirely innocent businesses you do business with.

Second, releasing the returns during an audit could cause anyone who has a grievance with you to misuse the released information, and try to intervene in the audit process, for their own personal, financial or political gain. I have been through this several times in other contexts where such records were obtained by people with an interest adverse to my client, which unnecessarily protracted the process as undue expense and harassment of my client.

Third, tax returns usually reveal business strategies that may need revision during the audit process, for which untimely disclosure could unduly hinder and harm, with third parties often the victim as much as the client.”



The overall point is this - donny refuses to release his taxes even though he could, and that is wrong.

This isn't some guy becoming CEO of a multinational - this is MY President.  The position is held to a higher standard than any other in the world.  You darn right I want to demonize him - just a little taste of his own medicine.  The day you throw your hat in the ring is the day you stop becoming a private citizen.  You open yourself up to the entire nation - and you darned well better be ready.

donny is not - I mean, c'mon, look at his tweets and the press conference he just had!  I hope for his sake that he surrounds himself with intelligent people, because every time he opens his tiny orange mouth, he embarasses himself and our country.

As I've said several times before - I hope that I'm wrong and that he somehow falls into the job and does right by America.  But with every tweet and public statement, I'm just not seeing it yet.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/13/17 at 15:47:59


524C43424F524954260 wrote:
[quote author=6643495E1C15191E2C0 link=1484168668/30#37 date=1484349698]Not the short or long answer just the bottom line.  You want so badly to demonize Trump in any way possible that you just can't admit that it would be a very bad idea to release your tax return during an audit

Robert Barnes, a Los Angeles based attorney:

“I see some of my colleagues would tell their clients to release their tax returns to the public during an audit. Ask them to name a single client they actually gave that advice to. I think that would be legal malpractice, and would recommend their clients sue them if they gave that advice. I advise my clients (hundreds over the years who actually experience an IRS inquiry) to NEVER release their tax returns while an audit is going on.  I am certain Mr. Trump’s lawyers, very capable and well-respected in this field, have advised him not to disclose his tax returns during the audit. There are many reasons for this.

First of all, and most importantly, the IRS is not allowed to show your client’s tax returns to anyone else. Such returns are protected by the privacy laws of section 6103 of Title 26 of the Code. The only way they could do so if your client had a lawyer dumb enough to let you disclose those records publicly. The IRS could then misuse this otherwise private information to make the audit process more difficult at many levels, and could cause problems for other entirely innocent businesses you do business with.

Second, releasing the returns during an audit could cause anyone who has a grievance with you to misuse the released information, and try to intervene in the audit process, for their own personal, financial or political gain. I have been through this several times in other contexts where such records were obtained by people with an interest adverse to my client, which unnecessarily protracted the process as undue expense and harassment of my client.

Third, tax returns usually reveal business strategies that may need revision during the audit process, for which untimely disclosure could unduly hinder and harm, with third parties often the victim as much as the client.”



The overall point is this - donny refuses to release his taxes even though he could, and that is wrong.

This isn't some guy becoming CEO of a multinational - this is MY President.  The position is held to a higher standard than any other in the world.  You darn right I want to demonize him - just a little taste of his own medicine.  The day you throw your hat in the ring is the day you stop becoming a private citizen.  You open yourself up to the entire nation - and you darned well better be ready.

donny is not - I mean, c'mon, look at his tweets and the press conference he just had!  I hope for his sake that he surrounds himself with intelligent people, because every time he opens his tiny orange mouth, he embarasses himself and our country.

As I've said several times before - I hope that I'm wrong and that he somehow falls into the job and does right by America.  But with every tweet and public statement, I'm just not seeing it yet.
[/quote]
Just out of curiosity is this better or worse than killary deleting 30k emails after they are subpoenaed?

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/13/17 at 15:49:53

Good grief,  look at the last fifty years.
Does Anyone Really believe Trump will screw us WORSE?
Have fun with Trumps tweets.
He shut down the ethics committee ripoff with one.

The reporters and politicians all have their
Im telling you the truth and no matter how upset about things I Should be, I'm very cool,calm and collected.
Screw that. Loosen up.
That's PART of today's
New Normal.
We've been Civilized... By PC bullshit.
A man who has some strength and passion isn't completely muzzled is scary..

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/13/17 at 16:48:41


5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
Good grief,  look at the last fifty years.
Does Anyone Really believe Trump will screw us WORSE?
Have fun with Trumps tweets.
He shut down the ethics committee ripoff with one.

The reporters and politicians all have their
Im telling you the truth and no matter how upset about things I Should be, I'm very cool,calm and collected.
Screw that. Loosen up.
That's PART of today's
New Normal.
We've been Civilized... By PC bullshit.
A man who has some strength and passion isn't completely muzzled is scary..


Having intelligence and being muzzled is indeed a shame.  However, this man brings nothing but empty rhetoric to the table.  He's changed his opinion on pretty much everything he's ever said.  He lacks conviction and credibility.  He's thin-skinned and feels threatened by every negative public opinion expressed about him.  He talks first and thinks later.  He's a textbook misogynist.  It is a fact that he has failed in more business ventures than he's succeeded at. (yeah, so did Edison, but at least he added to the greater good - donny just puts his name on overpriced hotels..)

I do agree with you - it's part of the new normal, but... there's precedent being set.  The next person to run in 2020 will not be obligated to provide any past tax information.  Further, they will be allowed to tell members of the press that they are invalid/fake during a news conference.  They can claim, with no proof, that there were millions of fraudulent votes.  Also, the first families will not be expected to live in the White House, and the adult children can run businesses within arm's reach of the president.  This will be the tip of the iceberg - I expect donny to set new precedents nearly every day of the next 4 years.

You honestly mean to tell me that if Obama were to have a background like donny's - that would have been ok with everyone??  Multiple wives, multiple bankruptcies, his children involved in high level international meetings, his current wife and son not living in the White House, remaining as a producer on a reality tv show, visiting a Christian university and not knowing the way to read a Bible verse, being caught on camera talking about grabbing women.... ??

I mean, seriously??  The right would have gone bat crap crazy!!!  Just look at all of the examples of people (both private and in the media) calling him a Muslim, a dictator, the devil, the antichrist, not born in this country, etc.  Remember all the horrible things that were supposed to happen under Obama?  Where are the death panels, microchips in our heads and why aren't we under sharia law?  

Anyway...

No, this man trump represents the deep-seated hypocrisy of the current GOP.  They don't care that he's not really a republican - seriously, look at his record.  They just care about getting someone in that wears their pin - they'll take care of the rest.  So much for the "morality" of the right.  But who cares?  We're gonna repeal ACA, we're gonna put the National Parks up for sale, we're gonna squeeze the Middle East even more and if something goes wrong, we're gonna blame donny.

Now before you go and call me an idiot lib (I know that I am), the democrats are just as bad.  They lost at getting their button wearer in the chair.  The democratic party is at an all time low in terms of political capital.  Why do you think Sanders gave hillary such a run for her money?  I will say this though - hillary would have, at the very least, not embarrassed the country in the process of selling it.  donny's just gonna put his name in gold letters on us for the sale...

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/13/17 at 18:04:32

Here is where you swerve and miss reality.....

Trump is NOT a repub, as you claim. Why would Mister Republican, and his family, B1, vote for Hillary, if it was as you say?

You field this question honestly, and maybe we can continue....
Or you can keep assigning fact to Trump, that is only supposition at this point in time, and pretend.



Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/13/17 at 18:33:54

Having intelligence and being muzzled is indeed a shame.  However, this man brings nothing but empty rhetoric to the table.  He's changed his opinion on pretty much everything he's ever said.  He lacks conviction and credibility.  

To some degree every politician in human history has done this

He's thin-skinned and feels threatened by every negative public opinion expressed about him.  He talks first and thinks later.  He's a textbook misogynist.

He is not a misogynist thats bullshit he has women in senior exec positions in his company.  Being heterosexual is not misogynistic

 It is a fact that he has failed in more business ventures than he's succeeded at. (yeah, so did Edison, but at least he added to the greater good - donny just puts his name on overpriced hotels..)

Tell that to the 1000's of people who cash a paycheck b/c of those businesses

I do agree with you - it's part of the new normal, but... there's precedent being set.  The next person to run in 2020 will not be obligated to provide any past tax information.  Further, they will be allowed to tell members of the press that they are invalid/fake during a news conference.

If its the truth then thats fine, sometimes the truth hurts

 They can claim, with no proof, that there were millions of fraudulent votes.

I dont understand are we talking about the dems now?

 Also, the first families will not be expected to live in the White House,

So what he wants to wait till his son finishes school b/c he doesn't want to take him out of school what does that matter

and the adult children can run businesses within arm's reach of the president.

Many presidents put their businesses in trusts (carter, a dem, put his peanut farm in a trust)

 This will be the tip of the iceberg - I expect donny to set new precedents nearly every day of the next 4 years.

thats what I'm banking on

You honestly mean to tell me that if Obama were to have a background like donny's - that would have been ok with everyone??  Multiple wives

what does multiple wives have to do with anything

, multiple bankruptcies, his children involved in high level international meetings, his current wife and son not living in the White House, remaining as a producer on a reality tv show

so what, what does that have to do with anything

, visiting a Christian university and not knowing the way to read a Bible verse, being caught on camera talking about grabbing women.... ??

actually if you turn of the liberal filter and listen he is talking about how absurd it is that women let you do that stuff if your famous, which is accurate commentary.  For that matter Kennedy, one of your boys, was screwing everything that moved and Clinton, another one of your guys was sticking cigars in a girls girl thingy

I mean, seriously??  The right would have gone bat crap crazy!!!  Just look at all of the examples of people (both private and in the media) calling him a Muslim, a dictator, the devil, the antichrist, not born in this country, etc.  Remember all the horrible things that were supposed to happen under Obama?  Where are the death panels, microchips in our heads and why aren't we under sharia law?  

...u think the country is in good shape now?  He could only get 127k refugees in, if he had more time maybe he could have gotten enough in to instate sharia law, polls show that a high % of muslims in this country think that sharia law should supersede the constitution
Anyway...

No, this man trump represents the deep-seated hypocrisy of the current GOP.  They don't care that he's not really a republican - seriously, look at his record.  They just care about getting someone in that wears their pin - they'll take care of the rest.  So much for the "morality" of the right.  But who cares?  We're gonna repeal ACA, we're gonna put the National Parks up for sale, we're gonna squeeze the Middle East even more and if something goes wrong, we're gonna blame donny.

Im not a republican I an a constitutional conservative libertarian I can give a crap less what pin he wears I agree with his stance on the issues.  who is selling national parks?????

Now before you go and call me an idiot lib (I know that I am), the democrats are just as bad.  They lost at getting their button wearer in the chair.  The democratic party is at an all time low in terms of political capital.  Why do you think Sanders gave hillary such a run for her money?  

For the most part because there are a lot of lazy people that want free stuff they didn't earn and don't want to work to get

I will say this though - hillary would have, at the very least, not embarrassed the country in the process of selling it.  donny's just gonna put his name in gold letters on us for the sale...

What are you talking about, have you not followed Hillary over the past 30+ years, her candidacy was an embarrassment, if her last name wasn't clinton she would have been in prison and not running for the white house .  Trumps not in anyones pocket, so there isn't a for sale sign

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/13/17 at 18:59:53

I get a job with a company that provides me a house and I decline?
Cry about it. Let Hillary use it. She can rent rooms out.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/14/17 at 09:32:57


594748494459425F2D0 wrote:
" ... donny refuses to release his taxes even though he could, and that is wrong.


Ya know, I am really Curious, and would like to see Al Franken's taxes.
Would love to know, how one goes from, deeply in Debt, to a  Millionaire,  
by doing,  NOTHING.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/14/17 at 11:55:21


13300D2E2C3730395E0 wrote:
[quote author=594748494459425F2D0 link=1484168668/30#38 date=1484350897] " ... donny refuses to release his taxes even though he could, and that is wrong.


Ya know, I am really Curious, and would like to see Al Franken's taxes.
Would love to know, how one goes from, deeply in Debt, to a  Millionaire,  
by doing,  NOTHING.
[/quote]
Power is an amazing thing, let the swap draining begin  ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/15/17 at 19:53:17


3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
" ... The position is held to a higher standard than any other in the world.


(Concerning the POTUS).  

OK,  So   Bama, and  Michele, appearing multiple times, on late night talk shows.
  (Just spouting more  LIES)
Is Perfectly OK then.

HRC  doing the  same, and  ‘Campaigning’.
B. Clinton, doing the same,
(And playing a  VERY  BAD,  Saxophone) Both, OK?

OH, and way back,  (before you were probably born),
Nixon, on,  ‘Laugh In’. !

Yep, all, OK.
Except, things have changed,  today, the, ’twitter/tweet’, etc.
Is a accepted form of communication, via  social interaction.

ONLY, because,  YOU, don’t like the person that does that.
YOU, think it is wrong.
Yet  OTHER’s,  (of the DNC), did the, ’thing’, of their time.
and  YOU,  forget about it !!!!!!!

Get ON  the Bus, or stand in the street and  CRY !

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/16/17 at 18:39:52


12310C2F2D3631385F0 wrote:
[quote author=3D232C2D203D263B490 link=1484168668/30#38 date=1484350897]" ... The position is held to a higher standard than any other in the world.


(Concerning the POTUS).  

OK,  So   Bama, and  Michele, appearing multiple times, on late night talk shows.
  (Just spouting more  LIES)
Is Perfectly OK then.

HRC  doing the  same, and  ‘Campaigning’.
B. Clinton, doing the same,
(And playing a  VERY  BAD,  Saxophone) Both, OK?

OH, and way back,  (before you were probably born),
Nixon, on,  ‘Laugh In’. !

Yep, all, OK.
Except, things have changed,  today, the, ’twitter/tweet’, etc.
Is a accepted form of communication, via  social interaction.

ONLY, because,  YOU, don’t like the person that does that.
YOU, think it is wrong.
Yet  OTHER’s,  (of the DNC), did the, ’thing’, of their time.
and  YOU,  forget about it !!!!!!!

Get ON  the Bus, or stand in the street and  CRY !
[/quote]

He's MY president.  He works for ME, not the other way around.  The Obamas have more class than donny and his immigrant wife will ever have.  Sadly for donny, the things you think don't matter, really do - like how to speak without looking like an idiot - and when and when NOT to tweet.

So, go ahead and be all pissy to me and whine and complain about how wrong I am to hold my president to a higher standard.

Sorry little guy, it's my right.  Gotta love the First Amendment, huh?  

Sit and stew......

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by pg on 01/16/17 at 18:58:12

Real classy - during his eight years in the White House he played a total of 306 rounds of golf, more than any other president since Dwight Eisenhower.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/01/13/20170116_golf1_0.jpg

Best regards,

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/17/17 at 02:26:41

He's MY president.  He works for ME, not the other way around.  The Obamas have more class than donny and his immigrant wife will ever have.  Sadly for donny, the things you think don't matter, really do - like how to speak without looking like an idiot - and when and when NOT to tweet.

So, go ahead and be all pissy to me and whine and complain about how wrong I am to hold my president to a higher standard.

Sorry little guy, it's my right.  Gotta love the First Amendment, huh?  

Sit and stew......

only your president for 3 more days then "donny" is your president so you sit and stew  ;D  

Speaking of what you say maying you look like an idiot and weak for that matter, remember the red line in the sand speech that obama gave and when assad drop chemical weapons he did nothing.  That made obama look like a weak idiot and told the world that america is all talk.  I was a teacher for many years and the one thing I can tell you is the worst thing you can do is make a threat and not carry it out because, when you do, you lose the class.  They now know you don't mean what you say and they will take advantage of you.  

The first amendment definitely gives you the right to your opinion as wrong as that opinion may be

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/17/17 at 04:19:50

Not sure if this is true, but if it is, how ironic!
I heard Michelle told him to quit playing basketball, which was his game at first, so he picked up golf.....
If true, does that mean basketball has negative connotations?  :-?

Gee, I wonder if Trump tweeted to Bo, you should have stuck playing hoops, maybe your administration would have faired better!
They would say that was racist  ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/17/17 at 05:24:02

I heard she Flat out Laid down the LAW to him.
She told him NO MORE basketball
NO MORE fried chikkin
And without a Doubt
NO MORE wallamellon!

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/17/17 at 06:54:40


6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:
I heard she Flat out Laid down the LAW to him.
She told him NO MORE basketball
NO MORE fried chikkin
And without a Doubt
NO MORE wallamellon!


No problem, she left out smoked pork butt, fried catfish ( my favorite) and collards  ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/17/17 at 06:56:26

Mmmmmmm, pig feet,, yummm yummm...

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/17/17 at 11:33:34


6A747B7A776A716C1E0 wrote:
" ... Sorry little guy, it's my right.  Gotta love the First Amendment, huh?  -  Sit and stew......


Absolutely,  it Is a right,
for you to look more, lost,
with every post.



Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/17/17 at 17:38:26

Oh no..... 5 guys' asinine opinions make all the difference to me....

You're crushing me guys!  Please.... stop.....

BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!!!!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

BTW - someone told me who LOST was - you must all be very proud.

Enjoy donny - he's the president you all deserve - I'll continue to hold him to a higher standard.

I can't wait to see all your guys' reactions.

Keep in mind, there are only about 10 people who will ever see your (and my) drivel on this little forum.

LMAO!!!

Unlike lost, I'll remain on - unless you somehow get me kicked off....(I'm so scared....)  I still have a bike to finish and there are some good, knowledgeable users on here that actually know about wrenching.

Now... let's see who gets the last word in.... will it be

MnSpring?
justin_o_guy2?
raydawg?
Joer0952?
pg?

(LOL - the real LOST boys!!!)

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by pg on 01/17/17 at 19:18:50

Where would we be without the benevolent all-knowing perspective from T and T 'sanctimonious' Garage?   I welcome the debate.  However, the condescending to downright insulting comments will more than likely be met with something you would deem as a less than desirable response.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/17/17 at 19:37:43


3B252A2B263B203D4F0 wrote:
" ... asinine opinions..."


“ … asinine opinions…”
“ … BWAAAHAAHA…”
“… he’s the president you all deserve…”
“ …LMAO!!!…”

How interesting,  No one, (that you  named),
Said,  you were the person,
who went by the aviator of,  ‘Lost Artist’.
  (Sure do sound like him/her though,
  seeing as how you are so,  ’sensitive’,  to FACTS)

(Some people  said  you were, ‘lost’, as to your words, “ asinine”, comments)

Perhaps, you;  
 “ … have a bike to finish…”
Do that project.   ?

Because it is clear, you are unable to discuss, a  opinion.
you have, actually read, and have  the ability to understand,
If so, you would have seen, that the,  ‘people you have named’,
often disagree, yet  give a,  ‘WHY’, of that.

Instead of  just, ‘PARROTING’,  what someone else,
                 has,  ‘TOLD’, you to say !


Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 04:14:06

What I find hilarious is that "someone told him" re: comparing him to Lost Artist......
Gee, like we have our own "safe place" here in this table where the snowflakes can gossip without being butt hurt...,.

Now that is f'n funny  ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/18/17 at 05:57:28

LOL - so predictable - so entertaining!

Keep up the great work LOST boys!

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 08:52:02


283639383528332E5C0 wrote:
LOL - so predictable - so entertaining!

Keep up the great work LOST boys!


Honestly man we will probably never agree, and that is fine.  Checks and balances are a good thing.  And yes maybe 10 people will see this, but thats not the point the best way to PERSONALLY learn and grow is to debate people that may not see eye to eye with you.  But, really your condescending nature, and the condescending nature of the left as a whole is why you guys not only lost this presidential election but lost the house the senate and 1000's of state seats over obamas 8 years.  Get over yourself, it amazes me, you would think you guys would see this and change your attitudes but no, you guys double down on this crap.  If you want to debate great I will go back and forth with you all you want, but if you want to be condescending and make no real points I am done with you.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 10:10:57

Good luck on getting anything of substance from this nutsack.

Look, according to his testimony a few post back, he will hold Trump to a higher standard....

Higher than what...... his standard?

So he grants himself some kind of surperior knowledge, and then dictates it's as if was king?

Petty little creatures, clueless and miserable.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/18/17 at 11:12:12

LOL - "nutsack"?  Nice one raydawg!  How old are you again?

Like I said, you 5 or so pissed off neocons are so predictable.

joer - right, you want a debate?  No you don't.  No matter what is posted - you counter.  You have no idea how to debate.  Again - so predictable.

So boys - stop fooling yourselves.  You don't really make that much of a difference on here.

Got off your computers and fight for your beliefs.  I did - I'm part of WOLF-PAC and was part of getting the f-ed up Illinois Upper and Lower house pass SJR 42.  Participate - make a difference.  Get over yourselves and get off your asses.


Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 11:43:08


4F515E5F524F54493B0 wrote:
LOL - "nutsack"?  Nice one raydawg!  How old are you again?

Like I said, you 5 or so pissed off neocons are so predictable.

joer - right, you want a debate?  No you don't.  No matter what is posted - you counter.  You have no idea how to debate.  Again - so predictable.

So boys - stop fooling yourselves.  You don't really make that much of a difference on here.

Got off your computers and fight for your beliefs.  I did - I'm part of WOLF-PAC and was part of getting the f-ed up Illinois Upper and Lower house pass SJR 42.  Participate - make a difference.  Get over yourselves and get off your asses.

Man thats what you do during a debate

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 12:26:16

I admit to being wrong......

You are sackless, my bad  :-*

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Serowbot on 01/18/17 at 12:49:50


594E48444B5B290 wrote:
I welcome the debate.  However, the condescending to downright insulting comments



4E6B6176343D3136040 wrote:
and the condescending nature of the left as a whole




4B58405D584E5E390 wrote:
Good luck on getting anything of substance from this nutsack.
Petty little creatures, clueless and miserable.


10031B06031505620 wrote:
You are sackless, my bad  :-*


30233B26233525420 wrote:
Gee, like we have our own "safe place" here in this table where the snowflakes can gossip without being butt hurt...,.

Now that is f'n funny  ;D


3B28302D283E2E490 wrote:
Libs, I see as Pee Wee Hermans  ;D


Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 12:59:29


5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
[quote author=594E48444B5B290 link=1484168668/45#57 date=1484709530] I welcome the debate.  However, the condescending to downright insulting comments



4E6B6176343D3136040 wrote:
and the condescending nature of the left as a whole




4B58405D584E5E390 wrote:
Good luck on getting anything of substance from this nutsack.
Petty little creatures, clueless and miserable.


10031B06031505620 wrote:
You are sackless, my bad  :-*


30233B26233525420 wrote:
Gee, like we have our own "safe place" here in this table where the snowflakes can gossip without being butt hurt...,.

Now that is f'n funny  ;D


3B28302D283E2E490 wrote:
Libs, I see as Pee Wee Hermans  ;D

[/quote]
I only speak for myself and am only responsible for what I say

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/18/17 at 16:12:45


425C53525F425944360 wrote:
" ... Like I said, you 5 or so pissed off neocons are so predictable.


As to getting involved in local Politics, I most wholeheartedly agree.
The local Town Council, Township, County.  
Know the Issues, and GO  to the meetings, and Voice your opinion!
Then, when ’those’ people, ‘Learn’,  someone is paying attention.
The State &  Fed employees, will also have learned, and will listen.


Looked up ‘Wolf-Pac”.
What is the, "Free and Fair Elections Amendment" , proposed by Wolf-Pac ?
From going over the website, I surmise, it is about,  ’Spending Limits’.
However, their is  nothing I can find, that gives the total amendment wording.
What does it say?  Is it,  good/bad/or a way to make money for the top at, ‘Wolf-Pac?

Don’t know. Because I could Not find anything on the web site,
           that said, exactly what it was.
The only thing I found, was loops back to,
        ‘Pay us’, by  Membership or donation.

It does Not work, to start at the Top.
One must start at the bottom, and work up.
(Ya build a house, ya  DON’T, start with the Roof, you start with the foundation)

Now, here is one more question.
Why do you post here?
Is it to learn, discuss, learn debate?
Or is it, ‘just to pizz people off’ ?

If you really want to learn, ‘Debate’,
the people that regularly post here, are, Excellent, Debaters.
And if you pay attention, understand, and learn.
I believe you would do better, in your association with, ‘Wolf-Pac’.
 (Well outside of  the, ‘Drive By  Shooters’)


(and BTY,  ‘debating’,  IS,  “point/counter point”, as  Joer0952 said)
And if you don’t know how, when talking to Representatives, Lobbyists,
they probably won’t say anything to your face.
But when they are behind closed doors.  
Things they say, will be 1,000 times,  LESS polite,  than anything here.


Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/18/17 at 16:48:18


02211C3F3D2621284F0 wrote:
[color=#0000ff][quote author=425C53525F425944360 link=1484168668/60#63 date=1484766732]" ... Like I said, you 5 or so pissed off neocons are so predictable.


As to getting involved in local Politics, I most wholeheartedly agree.
The local Town Council, Township, County.  
Know the Issues, and GO  to the meetings, and Voice your opinion!
Then, when ’those’ people, ‘Learn’,  someone is paying attention.
The State &  Fed employees, will also have learned, and will listen.


Looked up ‘Wolf-Pac”.
What is the, "Free and Fair Elections Amendment" , proposed by Wolf-Pac ?
From going over the website, I surmise, it is about,  ’Spending Limits’.
However, their is  nothing I can find, that gives the total amendment wording.
What does it say?  Is it,  good/bad/or a way to make money for the top at, ‘Wolf-Pac?

Don’t know. Because I could Not find anything on the web site,
           that said, exactly what it was.
The only thing I found, was loops back to,
        ‘Pay us’, by  Membership or donation.

It does Not work, to start at the Top.
One must start at the bottom, and work up.
(Ya build a house, ya  DON’T, start with the Roof, you start with the foundation)

Now, here is one more question.
Why do you post here?
Is it to learn, discuss, learn debate?
Or is it, ‘just to pizz people off’ ?

If you really want to learn, ‘Debate’,
the people that regularly post here, are, Excellent, Debaters.
And if you pay attention, understand, and learn.
I believe you would do better, in your association with, ‘Wolf-Pac’.
 (Well outside of  the, ‘Drive By  Shooters’)


(and BTY,  ‘debating’,  IS,  “point/counter point”, as  Joer0952 said)
And if you don’t know how, when talking to Representatives, Lobbyists,
they probably won’t say anything to your face.
But when they are behind closed doors.  
Things they say, will be 1,000 times,  LESS polite,  than anything here.

[/quote][/color]

If you truly want to see what WOLF-PAC is - go here:

http://www.wolf-pac.com/the_plan

There is NO COST.  Yes, you can become a member of TYT, but to meet with local folks and organize is FREE.  You see, it's volunteering.

Why do I post here?
What does my intent matter?  Look at the posts the 5 most prolific posters on here and look at what they talk about.... it's nonsensical (how do you get from the death of the solar system to rocketing liberals off the planet???).  
There is NO debate here, only bloated rhetoric, chest thumping and liberal bashing.

Like I said, it's typical.  But if you really want to know the truth it's this -  all the posters on this forum are LOOKING for fresh meat like me that they think they can scare away.

The problem with me is - I've been around long enough to know their (your) kind.  No matter what someone says, it makes no difference to them (you).  If they're liberal leaning, then they're wrong.

All in all - they all take themselves way too seriously and quite frankly, none of what they say bothers me - I find it entertaining.  When I see a majority of the posts from these guys, it actually reinforces my ideals even more.  That, and the fact there are about what, 8 of you guys within the "brain trust" of this forum?  Yeah, well, it really can't be more than entertainment to me....

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 17:15:45

If you truly want to see what WOLF-PAC is - go here:

http://www.wolf-pac.com/the_plan

There is NO COST.  Yes, you can become a member of TYT, but to meet with local folks and organize is FREE.  You see, it's volunteering.

Why do I post here?
What does my intent matter?  Look at the posts the 5 most prolific posters on here and look at what they talk about.... it's nonsensical (how do you get from the death of the solar system to rocketing liberals off the planet???).  
There is NO debate here, only bloated rhetoric, chest thumping and liberal bashing.

Like I said, it's typical.  But if you really want to know the truth it's this -  all the posters on this forum are LOOKING for fresh meat like me that they think they can scare away.

The problem with me is - I've been around long enough to know their (your) kind.  No matter what someone says, it makes no difference to them (you).  If they're liberal leaning, then they're wrong.

All in all - they all take themselves way too seriously and quite frankly, none of what they say bothers me - I find it entertaining.  When I see a majority of the posts from these guys, it actually reinforces my ideals even more.  That, and the fact there are about what, 8 of you guys within the "brain trust" of this forum?  Yeah, well, it really can't be more than entertainment to me....

for someone who says that it doesn't bother them and finds it entertaining you do seem to be playing the victim here.  As for the rocketing liberals off the planet it was in another thread and it was clearly a joke as the thread wound down.  Now I don't think I attacked anything but policy here (I am sure you will correct me if I'm wrong), but maybe a lot of the liberal bashing is a backlash to all of the overwhelming conservative bashing seen in pop culture today.  Maybe a lot of Americans are fed up with all the liberal BS that seems to not be in their best interest maybe a lot of them feel like they are being sold out by the liberal agenda and are tired of it.  

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 17:23:00

Golly gee Wally......
I don't get it.
Eddie says it really makes no difference to him what Lumpy and the other guys say about him. Said stuff like predictable, no one cares, and all, but gee Wally, he then goes on to say how great he is, don't need Lumpy and them, how happy and stuff....
Why Wally, why would he even spend time defending, explaining, and being his own witness to Lumpy and them if none of it matters..... huh Wally?

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/18/17 at 17:24:54


253B343538253E23510 wrote:
" ...if you really want to know the truth ..."


If you truly want to see what WOLF-PAC is - go here:
http://www.wolf-pac.com/the_plan

Been their,  3 times now.    NOTHING   says, WHAT.
And you will not say, ‘What It Is’.
Do you know, what you are promoting?
(It may be good, or bad, or adjustment, suggested.)
Just  Don’t KNOW !
So  Tell,    don’t, ‘avoid’.

Why do I post here?    What does my intent matter?

OK,  Got it !

(how do you get from the death of the solar system to rocketing liberals off the planet???).  

It’s called,  Humor !


to meet with local folks and organize is FREE.  You see, it’s volunteering

Think I know a little about,  ‘volunteering’.   !!!!

all the posters on this forum are LOOKING for fresh meat like me that they think they can scare away.

Well, if that is what you believe, then the question again,
 Why are you  Here?

No matter what is posted - you counter.  You have no idea how to debate.

And  No Comment, on, that IS,  Debate.
LEARN.    2 people have  opposing views,
each defends, and supports those views,
and each,  COUNTERS, those  views,
With,  DEBATE    !!!!!!!!

none of what they say bothers me - I find it entertaining.

I  Believe, (f you substitute the word, ’they’, with ‘you’)
You, may find the feeling is  Mutual !

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/18/17 at 17:26:05


63464C5B19101C1B290 wrote:
Maybe a lot of Americans are fed up with all the liberal BS that seems to not be in their best interest maybe a lot of them feel like they are being sold out by the liberal agenda and are tired of it.  


A lot perhaps, but if you go by the popular vote, certainly not the majority of the country.  Like it or not (I know your choice), this country is center-left.

Even with a candidate as terrible as hillary, she still won the popular vote by nearly 3 million.

Oh, and as to "playing the victim"?  You've seen my tears??  LOL Not so much.  As I said, I find it typical of guys/people like you - the way you approach a statement, turn it into something that it isn't and declare victory.

But again, it doesn't really matter... now does it?

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 17:41:48

3 mill, chump change, when you consider the those who stayed home and didn't buck the media, elitist, etc.....
Look at how they threaten folks that were going to perform at the inauguration.
Conservative speakers at commencements, no way Jose.....
Safe zones on campus.
Death threats on Facebook, etc.

Hillary lost twice.
Once to hope and change.
Now, to hope and change, again.

Left center, sure tang.....

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 17:45:59


776966676A776C71030 wrote:
[quote author=63464C5B19101C1B290 link=1484168668/60#70 date=1484788545]Maybe a lot of Americans are fed up with all the liberal BS that seems to not be in their best interest maybe a lot of them feel like they are being sold out by the liberal agenda and are tired of it.  


A lot perhaps, but if you go by the popular vote, certainly not the majority of the country.  Like it or not (I know your choice), this country is center-left.

Even with a candidate as terrible as hillary, she still won the popular vote by nearly 3 million.

Oh, and as to "playing the victim"?  You've seen my tears??  LOL Not so much.  As I said, I find it typical of guys/people like you - the way you approach a statement, turn it into something that it isn't and declare victory.

But again, it doesn't really matter... now does it?
[/quote]

if the country is so center left than why did the dems loss the house, the senate, and thousands of seats in local and state government over the past 8 years?  If I had to guess I would say that the majority of the country is moderate independents

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/18/17 at 17:56:19


6E707F7E736E75681A0 wrote:
" ... hillary, she still won the popular vote by nearly 3 million.

And you  still do  not, ‘hear’,  
You did Not  SEE,
You did not,   ‘Observe  Reality’
You just parroted, what you were TOLD  to say !

The fact, that the, ‘ popular vote’,
Was from   ‘Votes”,  from,   IL-Legal,  
(Get It,  ILLEGAL,    NOT    Citizens)
Dead, declared  incompetent, Stacks of, ‘absentee’, ballots. etc.
From  ONLY,  ONE, of  two  States !!!!!

You do not,  ‘debate’,  the  facts.
Only  say what,  ‘you’, believe.
  (and do Not state any,   'CREDIBLE   Sources', CNN &  M.J,  are Not even  Close  to Creditable)
And are ’told’ what to say!

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/18/17 at 18:31:30


42514954514757300 wrote:
" ...Gee, like we have our own "safe place" here in this table where the snowflakes can gossip without being butt hurt...,.

Their’s  an Idea,
 A,  Sub  form, of a forum.

A,  ’Safe  Place”,  where  NO  ONE  is  allowed,
who offers a  ‘counter’ opinion,
on what someone is:   ’TOLD  TO SAY”.

A,  ’Safe Place’, for people who truly  believe, CNN  is  sacrosanct.
No, ‘Debate’.
No,  ‘Counter’ views.
No, ‘Facts’.
No, ‘Observed Reality’.
    (In fact  no  ‘reality’ at all)
Only,  ‘Parroting’,  is allowed !

‘Bot’,  could be  Moderator.
(Probably  not a  lot of  moderating required,  as everyone in that, ’Safe Place’, is  stroking each other)

Hey How BOT it   ????????


Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by pg on 01/18/17 at 20:03:15


332D22232E332835470 wrote:
Got off your computers and fight for your beliefs.  


We won the white house, have control of the house & senate, as well as supreme court justice appointments.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

The One Hundred Fifteenth United States Congress is the current meeting of the legislative branch of the United States federal government, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives. It is scheduled to meet in Washington, D.C. from January 3, 2017 to January 3, 2019, during the final weeks of the Obama presidency and the first two years of the Trump presidency. The elections of November 2016 maintained Republican control of both the House and Senate.


Best regards,



Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/19/17 at 06:33:05


4D5A5C505F4F3D0 wrote:
[quote author=332D22232E332835470 link=1484168668/60#63 date=1484766732]
Got off your computers and fight for your beliefs.  


We won the white house, have control of the house & senate, as well as supreme court justice appointments.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

The One Hundred Fifteenth United States Congress is the current meeting of the legislative branch of the United States federal government, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives. It is scheduled to meet in Washington, D.C. from January 3, 2017 to January 3, 2019, during the final weeks of the Obama presidency and the first two years of the Trump presidency. The elections of November 2016 maintained Republican control of both the House and Senate.


Best regards,


[/quote]
And i am optimistic that if trump does a half way decent job then in 2018 it will be more of the same since a lot of dems in congress are up for election in states that were red in november, and if that happens can anyone say super majority.  

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/19/17 at 07:58:59

Hmmm.... who's the "we" in "we won the white house"?  Here I thought we were all Americans.  Oh well...

Gotta love MnSpring - he/she loves to destroy grammar and spelling to try to show how inferior "us libs" are.  Keep up the great work there kiddo!

Well, I've got much bigger and better fish to fry in the Cafe.

I'll leave you folks to stew amongst yourselves for now.  But I'll check back from time to time - just in case donny gets impeached or something like that.  LOL

Take care and have fun without me - sadly, your hit counter won't be the same without me...   ;D

I can't wait to see the last words that get posted!

Peace!

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/19/17 at 08:00:56

Ah........ he melted  ;D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by T And T Garage on 01/19/17 at 08:03:12


20332B36332535520 wrote:
Ah........ he melted  ;D


;)

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by Joer0952 on 01/19/17 at 09:24:58


554B444548554E53210 wrote:
I'll leave you folks to stew amongst yourselves for now.  But I'll check back from time to time - just in case donny gets impeached or something like that.  LOL

!


Personally I prefer the term marinade

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/17 at 09:44:13

Well, if WE Are All Americans, there sure does seem to be a clear and obvious divide between the Snowflakes and those who
Voted For our New President. When Obama was elected, WE, those of us who didn't support him, were told just how important it was to accept him, support him, and LET him Be
Our President.
To see how the left is behaving is Just SO Not a Surprise.
While you buncha moonbats were drinking your own KoolAid and believed those fake poll numbers, expecting Hillary to win, while I was pointing out that the DNC Stole the nomination from Bernie, from Bernie, fer kryinoutloud! And you actually Believed that Hillary, who couldn't even fairly win the nomination, was just Running Away with it... Good grief, the Schmuck factor is immeasurable.
While you, wrongly and irrationally, believed Hillary would win, WE were being told daily about just how important it is to
Allow for the peaceful transition of power.
Well, sit down, shut up, and DO what you Told US we Must DO.

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by raydawg on 01/19/17 at 10:18:58


092C2631737A7671430 wrote:
[quote author=554B444548554E53210 link=1484168668/75#80 date=1484841539]

I'll leave you folks to stew amongst yourselves for now.  But I'll check back from time to time - just in case donny gets impeached or something like that.  LOL

!



Personally I prefer the term marinade [/quote]


Ah ha.......

This advice was given to me by my oldest son....
I am writing a book.
He already has.
He told me to carry pad and pencil, write my thoughts down as they came, as opposed to sitting at the typewriter trying to pound out something.
Let these thoughts "marinade" for a spell, revisit them, see how they've cured....
Amazing, staying fluid, things can grow....
Being rigid, brings decay.

Thanks for the reminder on how this marinating can enhance the moment as well  :D

Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by MnSpring on 01/19/17 at 16:26:37


465857565B465D40320 wrote:
" ... Well, I've got much bigger and better fish to fry in the Cafe. ..."


Interesting,   Depending on, if one lived a life, in a,  ’Skyway”.
Or one lived, a life by, ‘doing’.

Those words, could mean,  TWO, Completely,  Different,  Things !

DO,  agree with a Post by, 'T&T'.
That was, 'Get  Involved'.
       In  (Local),  Politicking.


Title: Re: Trump's blind children...
Post by pg on 01/19/17 at 16:53:28


786761667B7C4D7D4D75676B20120 wrote:
Well, if WE Are All Americans, there sure does seem to be a clear and obvious divide between the Snowflakes and those who
Voted For our New President. When Obama was elected, WE, those of us who didn't support him, were told just how important it was to accept him, support him, and LET him Be
Our President.

Well, sit down, shut up, and DO what you Told US we Must DO.


[smiley=thumbup.gif]

Best regards,

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