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Reply #15 - 01/02/16 at 16:13:32
 
raydawg wrote on 01/02/16 at 13:07:14:
" ... will address your thoughts and points ..."


Those are not, ‘ thoughts and points ‘.  They are FACTS.  They are the LAW !

So when a Anti-gun person says:   “We Need Background Checks”.    They are praying on FEAR.  Because, people are, “ … ignorant about the matter…”.    Guess what, we ALREADY do THAT !  In some cases, Several TIMES !

Take Minn. Their is a 7 day waiting law on the books for ‘possessing’, a handgun.
A person, goes into a shop, ‘Purchases’ a handgun, they ‘own’ it, but it Stays at the Dealer for 7 Days.  They can NOT,  ‘Have it in  POSSESSION’,  for 7 days!  And Yes, they did the,  NICS check, and let’s say that check came back, ‘Proceed’, they STILL, can NOT,  ‘Have it in  POSSESSION’,  for 7 days!

So Most people get what is called in this State, a Permit to Purchase, (PTP).  To get that, you fill out another form, that is Submitted to your local LEO.  Guess what, they do a, ‘Background’ check.  Then you go to a Dealer, buy your handgun, show them your, PTP card. you Still/Again, have to do the Nics check, But, you get your  gun without waiting 7 days.

Let’s say you want to have a, Permit to Carry,  (here PTC, other places CCW).  So you take the class, do the tests. Then fill out another application, that goes to the local LEO.   Can you Guess what they do?   Yep, ANOTHER, ‘Background Check’.

Look at, Rosie O’Donals, she does not like any firearm, said so many times. She does not believe any Citizen, should have a firearm, she has said so several times.   YET, when she goes somewhere, does something, she has, ARMED Bodyguards!

Take one of your, ‘Elected’ officials to the Fed guberment. And let’s say, they are of a Political party, who has a Main Load Bearing, ‘plank’ in their platform, to ’take away the 2nd A’.   Now, they have a couple of kids.   Are those kids, accompanied by, ARMED, guards, where ever they go?    
(Totally understand why they are, ya Never know, when some DFI, is going to come out of the woodwork)
But, THEY, have the right to defend themselves, and YOU  do NOT ?????

Those same people, (who YOU PAY, they do not pay YOU), get to partake in, ‘Insider Trading’.    You Can’t !        
Those same people get Premium Health Care, which YOU, pay for. When you get sub standard Health care, at outrageous premiums, which now, you HAVE to have.
And Now, those, SAME, people are telling YOU,  ‘Give up your guns, you will be safer’.  

Note: Their is a difference, between, "Purchase" and, 'Possession".  Just another LIE, the,  FEAR, Spreaders do, saying, ' Anybody ...".

Does the guberment, fail sometimes in, 'Background Checks' ?
Do some Drunk Drivers avoid the Police. ?
Does the F.B.I. catch ALL, Bank Robbers. ?
Does the I.R.S. fine, ALL people who lie/cheat on their taxes. ?
Does the D.O.A. arrest ALL  street corner Drug Peddlers. ?

Yea  Right !
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Reply #16 - 01/02/16 at 16:36:58
 
So,.. if everything Obama is proposing, is already in effect,... there should be no objection to his enacting, already enacted laws...

He will pacify those wanting action, without making any more restrictions than already exist...

Good for you... Right?...  Maybe you should thank him... Undecided
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Reply #17 - 01/02/16 at 16:43:48
 
Then what is it for? A show? It's Not for Nothing.
Will anyone ever admit how hypocritical the whole thing is?
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Reply #18 - 01/02/16 at 16:45:26
 
I'm not accepting Mn's assertion,... I'm just assuming that he does... Undecided

I will admit that it is hypocritical to be against a non-action... when you want no action to be taken...
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Reply #19 - 01/02/16 at 17:00:33
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/02/16 at 16:36:58:
So,.. if everything Obama is proposing, is already in effect,... there should be no objection to his enacting, already enacted laws...


Sounds good, on ‘Paper’.  Now let’s get to,  ‘REAL LIFE”.
(Just like Communism,  looks good on, Paper, but does NOT, work in real life)

No need to,  enacting laws,  just,  enforce, laws that are already their.
(Un Like Holder, who IGNORED ALL Existing Firearms Laws)

Next, any, ‘new’,  law, their  WILL BE, ‘Hidden things’, in it.
(Gee Just look at the A.H.C. act.)

Just like the, ‘Hidden’,  double barrel Shotgun with one trigger to be, BANED, in, ‘Clintons’,  (assault  rifle’ ban)

King Bama, is JUST, using,  FEAR, to the people that are, “ … ignorant about the matter…”.
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Reply #20 - 01/02/16 at 17:07:07
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/02/16 at 16:45:26:
I'm not accepting Mn's assertion,...  "



It is   NOT   a,  ‘assertion’, it is the LAW.
It is the way thing are.
It is not a Opinion.
It is the LAW.

It is NOT,  ‘Fairy Dust  Sprinklers, or, ‘Kum-By You’ singers.
It is the LAW.

Everybody follows it.     (Well unless your name is Eric Holder)
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Reply #21 - 01/02/16 at 17:10:23
 
At this stage in his Presidency,.. he is a lame duck... (he won't be running again)...
I see no reason for him to use subterfuge in any executive action ...
He's knows it will be combed over top to bottom...


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Re: The truth on gun control......
Reply #22 - 01/02/16 at 17:15:52
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/02/16 at 16:45:26:
I'm not accepting Mn's assertion,... I'm just assuming that he does... Undecided

I will admit that it is hypocritical to be against a non-action... when you want no action to be taken...



That's your assertion. I'm accustomed to watching goob action.
I don't remember them ever Doing anything that doesn't accomplish something. That I also don't remember them doing something that helped America, well, maybe I overlooked something.
The electeds and their offspring are well protected. We pay for it.
Yet, they seem to believe that we shouldn't be able to protect ourselves, while they wring their hands about whether we wear the seatbelt.
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Reply #23 - 01/02/16 at 17:16:21
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/02/16 at 17:10:23:
At this stage in his Presidency,.. he is a lame duck...

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Reply #24 - 01/02/16 at 17:48:12
 
Ed L. wrote on 01/02/16 at 16:06:53:
Good reply MnSpring, I was wonder when someone would answer raydawg's question.
 Each state is different concerning firearm purchases. Look at laws concerning firearm purchases in New Jersey or California then compair them to Florida or Texas.


Then is Obama looking to standardize ownership, under a federal guideline, so it would be consistent, sorta like driving a car in another state, still requires us to have a licence in good standing, in our residential state?  
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Reply #25 - 01/02/16 at 17:58:05
 
Funny that they call it, the "lame duck" stage of a presidency...
"Loose Tiger" would be more appropriate...

Once a 2 term President is in his final year... he is  answerable to no one...  
...no more a-kissin',... and gloves are off, the fox has entered the hen house...  Potus has jumped the shark... School's out for summer...
papa's got a brand new bag....
(in GW's case... the nuts are in control of the asylum)...




You could mix a million metaphors on that one.... Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - 01/02/16 at 18:10:51
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/02/16 at 17:10:23:
At this stage in his Presidency,.. he is a lame duck... (he won't be running again)...
I see no reason for him to use subterfuge in any executive action ...
He's knows it will be combed over top to bottom...


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Well bot I can think of a reason why.....
They have lost badly in the past elections because of turn out, or lack of.
Perhaps they see this tactic as a Rahm Emanuel "don't let a perfectly good disaster go to waste".
When you see how Obama is packaging this independent action on his part, with references to mass shootings, etc, he has entered into a different arena than just trying to "fix" existing polices (loopholes).
That, and the man sure seem (as most of them) to care about legacy building. His rush to Obamacare being a perfect example of not telling us the truth in order to get his desires passed.

Bot, you wanna see if you can find what MSpring shares is wrong, or distorted, or?

Seems collectively, we should be able to tell what is true regarding current ownership, and what isn't....

Please see if you can find any conflicting information, not political speak, ok?      Grin

THANKS ALL...... really appreciate the chance to become informed on this issue.
Hunting is BIG where I live, and guns are very much part of life up here.
I am the odd ball, I just don't like em' is all.
But I don't want to impinge on others, just cuz it doesn't impact me in a manner that I can readily claim loss of constitutional freedom.

Please keep it coming, I will share with others what I come to believe is the truth on the matter.
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Reply #27 - 01/02/16 at 18:31:15
 
Soory, Dawg...  
It's been hashed in 50 threads here over the years.
I got nuttin' left,.. but to stir the pot for ya'..

You need me to stir the pot...
...otherwise you'll have all newt and no frog...

You want to get the alchemy right,...call an atheist... Huh

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Reply #28 - 01/02/16 at 18:50:24
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/02/16 at 18:31:15:
Soory, Dawg...  
It's been hashed in 50 threads here over the years.
I got nuttin' left,.. but to stir the pot for ya'..

You need me to stir the pot...
...otherwise you'll have all newt and no frog...

You want to get the alchemy right,...call an atheist... Huh



Well I was talking specifically about what Obama is talking about now, with the AG, on what he can do on his owny accord.
I am not sure how you did that in 50 threads already, and the other referencing escapes me.
But that cool if you don't want to dig at the truth, I think I'll keep shoveling for it.
If in fact, what he proposes can curb gun violence, I think we owe it to people, like me, who are really confused over the arguments, both for and against, and the victims of gun violence.
On the other hand if it is only pandering, at the cost of not really addressing, and protecting, those very folk you pledge to help, then I think that needs to be revealed too, as in the long run it WILL cost more lives as we are not effectively addressing the issues that cause these mass shootings, etc.

To me bot, that is worth it, either way, sorry you are opting out.  
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Reply #29 - 01/02/16 at 18:51:14
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/02/16 at 18:31:15:
,...call an atheist...


Have you not said, you Are One ?
More that once ?
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