OK, I'll try to provide my 2cents' worth AND keep it short...

The Koran was written DURING Muhammad's life, I believe it was actually written by him under divine inspiration.

The Torah = the Pentateuch of the Old Testament, i.e. genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus and Numbers.

Believe it or not, there is no such thing as "a Christian Old Testament"  

The truth of the matter is Kings and Popes and Patriarchs (orthodox Archbishops) have cut&amended bits here and there, words or verses or chapters or even entire BOOKS!

For example... take your KJV or later Bible, go to the Old Testament and read 2Maccabees 2:2
What does it say ? NOTHING ! IT DOESN'T EXIST!
Whereas Catholic and orthodox Bibles do contain 1 and 2maccabees, KJV does not because it narrates the story of a Priest and his son Maccabeus who revolt against a tyrannical king...
How could King James of England, with his Kingdom torn between Catholics and Anglicans, accept a Book in the Bible which justified revolt against the King?
So he had it censored.

Similarly... Gospel of Mark: it canonically ends with Mk16:8
HOWEVER it goes on with Mk16:9 and on which are today acknowledged to be a later addition.

Catholic Orthodox Old Testaments vary in content because they are based on different Jewish traditions;
the Orthodox base their OT on the Septuagint (~250BC)  Catholics on the Masorean writings (~1000AD)

You have all read the Book of Daniel, but the Jews themselves consider it to be a series of chronicles and writings by at least three different authors simply collected in a volume called "Daniel" and dismiss it as "unlikely and unreliable".

An so on and so on...

WebsterMark wrote on 12/17/15 at 12:16:47:

No more so, than the Christian Bible...


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True,.. but...   The Christian Right use the Old Testament for most of their hate and prejudice...


There are 800 million Muslim's,.. most, much more devout and peaceable than the average Christian...
Estimates vary wildly, (10,000 to 100,000) are radicalized Muslim nutjobs...

A search of YouTube,.. or Ted Cruz's endorsements,..  will bring up a slew of Christian nutjobs, that believe in bombing clinics, stoning gays, or doing whatever to Jews... or Muslims... and atheists...

Religion is just plain nutty... the more literally you take it, the nuttier it is...
The New Testament has some good rules to live by...
I see little of that in Christian Right politics...

y[quote author=2E382F322A3F32295D0 link=1450221110/15#17 date=1450387787]WebsterMark wrote on 12/17/15 at 12:16:47:

No more so, than the Christian Bible...

Not true. The Christian Bible stops commanding violence. Thats my question. It appears the Korn does not but I dont know that for sure. Thats what I'm asking.


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True,.. but...   The Christian Right use the Old Testament for most of their hate and prejudice...

The Christian is not revelant from a violence point of view.

There are 800 million Muslim's,.. most, much more devout and peaceable than the average Christian...
Estimates vary wildly, (10,000 to 100,000) are radicalized Muslim nutjobs...

A search of YouTube,.. or Ted Cruz's endorsements,..  will bring up a slew of Christian nutjobs, that believe in bombing clinics, stoning gays, or doing whatever to Jews... or Muslims... and atheists...

But those events rarely, rarely happen. No gays have been stoned by Christian right for sure.

Religion is just plain nutty... the more literally you take it, the nuttier it is...
The New Testament has some good rules to live by...
I see little of that in Christian Right politics..

You're view of the christian right is seriously deranged.

I've posted this before,.. but, apparently no one of faith ever challenges their beliefs (part of the faith thing?)...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=titus+flavius+jesus+nova

Anyway,... setting the bible aside for just a moment,... history is telling a different story.
Titus Flavius, and family... ruled Rome a little after "Jesus" time...
...and the "New Testament" seems a clever way to deal with a growing problem...
Could be the original, "Conspiracy theory"....

All we know of Jesus,.. comes from one originating source...


Before you bash the cr@p out of me...  
I admire the teachings of Jesus...
I don't believe in any God or religion... Jews, follow pagan myth... Christians follow Jews with an additional anti-hero... and Muslim's follow a yet newer Messiah...
... but,.. the teachings of Jesus are a good foundation of morality...
I would dispute virtually none of the teachings in the New Testament...
 
The real difference between Atheist and Secularist,... is not morality,.. just literalism...
I believe, we all know right from wrong...innately...
Religion,.. just promises a reward for what we know we should do anyway...

JMHO,... disclaimer for Dawg...

Serowbot wrote on 12/17/15 at 23:03:27:



That does it...... you finally crossed over the line  

Wha it be bot, you ain't feeling my love  

I believe, we all know right from wrong...innately...
Religion,.. just promises a reward for what we know we should do anyway....

If this be true, as in written into our genetic code like you suggest, then please explain why so much destruction and evil.
Seems a creek knows its way to the ocean, and follows that path, its man that dams it for his own personal gain.

Religion,.. just promises a reward for what we know we should do anyway...

Wrong answer. You can't do anything to earn the reward you're talking about.

Shakespeare's plays were in English.
Even in parts of England today, you can hear people use words like "thou", etc, in normal speech.

Jesus spoke Aramaic, years later it was written in Hebrew, translated into Greek, then over to Latin, then to English.
It was edited all the way over 2000 years for various reasons (see MPesc's post).
Not a good starting point, really......

Serowbot wrote on 12/18/15 at 07:40:54:


Ok bot, here is where I think your thinking fails you......
You say we inherently know right and wrong.
If that is true, you suggest we discard what is "normal" thinking/actions for us and instead choose a deadly sin.

Sin is subjective, what one views as sin, another culture/society might not, I'll use ISIS as a extreme example.

I am afraid I am doing a pizz poor job of explaining this, but you have presented a dilemma, in your observation.
For is it not a belief, on your part, then, based on "sin", that seems to have its origin in a Judaeo- Christian context?

Can you be "sorta pregnant"?    

In all honesty I will hazard a guess, as to why.
Because of our founding fathers, they used these very principals to draft societal laws, and declarations, based on religious instructions, as a foundation.
You, me, all who pledge an allegiance to the union inadvertently accept these precepts as fact, AND.........
Hopefully act accordingly, or shall we say, lawfully, before self.

Armed with such knowledge and wisdom, these founders saw the danger of repeating the same outcome of Europe, so safeguards were inscripted in the hopes of avoiding such, including verbiage and instructions regarding separation.

Dude..... you've been propagandized