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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #150 - 10/31/15 at 03:30:09
 

Right now you have 3 large players in the device OS marketplace.

You have Android, Apple and Microsoft, in order of the number of devices.

Apple is content, they are raking in profits like no other computing business has ever done, and are not particularly interested in "taking over the market" as they already own all the parts they want.

Apple could take more, by having a less expensive line of laptops and phones, and they have been considering this move for years now but haven't quite decided to go do it yet.

Google has been all hung up with its two part Android/Chrome approach for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS too long.   Plus, Google has been running around playing Switzerland and being all Budda-like all over the place instead of being a competitor.  This was a big mistake.  By stupidly waiting for MS to completely finish all their Win 10 moves, Google has just about guaranteed themselves the loser position in PC/laptop space and may well lose their mobile crown as well, with mobile going to Apple.  

Google, excuse me Alphabet, is too occupied with their internal stuff right now to watch the baby.

Microsoft is acting like a competitor again and they are moving more and more quickly into taking chunks of market share that they see hanging out there unattended.   By in essence "taking over" their own customers machines Microsoft has begun a Gengis Khan type move back into the marketplace that they had once owned 100%.

Microsoft is the only computing company NOT DISTRACTING ITSELF trying to build a car right now.   Apple and Google are both occupied with these sorts of "exterior distractions" that are turning out to be a lot more distracting than they thought they would be.

Right now, the ones moving quickly and seizing opportunities IN COMPUTING goes like this.   Microsoft, Google, Apple

If Microsoft gets its Gengis on, look to see Google get bashed up pretty good both by its internal restructuring woes and a strategic lawsuit or two (prompted again by MS behind the scenes).

Google is a bunch of very smart people who have just been playing at what they want to do, as opposed to a revitalized MS who is coming out of all their Win 10 disasters as a well sharpened spiked instrument totally focused on gutting their competition and having a honed ability to rewrite whatever is needed to do just that.   And the chutzpah to just throw it out there 3/4 written and to fix it on the fly.   And totally "owning" their customer base, so loyalty is not an issue, even when flogging the peasants fairly frequently the way they are currently doing with their constant nightly faulty updates.

Google has a better set of people, and writes better code that works better when it is released, but they are very very LATE coming out of the gate and MS may actually fix their stuff before Google even gets into motion good.

I look to see Android lose market share to a "zero initial cost" MS Win 10 product group, as MS is focused on making that happen RIGHT NOW and Google is still floundering about "restructuring" again.

Unless Google has indeed written something really good in the past two years they have been "working on it" then Google and Android are doomed to lose their first place position to Microsoft (PC side) and to Apple (mobile side).

Furthermore, the new Alphabet soup group is going to wind up being lots of small competitors which will each separately not really have the traction to win anything going out into the future.

Google as a whole was a force to be reckoned with, Alphabet soup, not so much.
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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #151 - 10/31/15 at 15:03:24
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/10/rockchips-light-biz-os-turns-android-into-a-des...



"Rockhip is probably best known for producing processors used in low-cost tablets, Chromebooks, and TV boxes. But the company also develops software optimized for those chips, including a new version of Android called Light Biz OS.

It’s designed to make Android work more like a desktop operating system. Apps run in resizable windows, allowing you to view multiple apps at once. And there’s also support for multi-screen viewing: hook up an external display and you can view a presentation or movie on the big screen while reading your email on the tablet itself.

Light Biz OS is based on Android 5.1 Lollipop and users can run pretty much any Android application. What’s unusual is that you can run those apps in full-screen mode, a half-sized window, or an even smaller window. This lets you do things like surf the web while a video is playing in one window and a chat application runs in a third.

The custom version of Android also includes a taskbar, a start menu-style app launcher, and support for keyboard shortcuts, pen input, and other features designed to make it easier to get work done on an Android device.

You can also go into the display settings and disable multi-window support at any time to use you device like a normal Android tablet.

Rockchip makes the software available to companies that use its RK3288 and RK3368 chips in their tablets, TV boxes, and laptops."



Well now, Google, that makes 3-4 of your major users that are putting together your new windowing OS before you do.    

Does this signal anything to you, buddy ???    

Like get off your duff and DO IT ????

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Reply #152 - 11/02/15 at 07:18:35
 

Apple and Qualcomm are now testing 10nm pilot runs off of the Samsung process and the TSMC process in order to correctly award next year's production orders.

Rumor has it that low yields and overheating issues exist with at least one of these sets of submissions.   Enough so to make it necessary to get a fresh large production sample from both companies, letting them fix everything they can in the meanwhile.

A smart company (and Apple is a smart company, as is Qualcomm) will also be doing risk analysis on this new lithography level to see if it could possibly bite them in the ass like 20nm TSMC did for the Qualcomm 810 year before last with its rampant overheating  (which was never totally fixed by TSMC, btw).

Apple, if not satisfied that 10nm is a good "smart" move from either vendor can certainly stop at 14nm level and simply wait until the non-silicone 7nm stuff is ready in 3 years.   Or, both ARM and Apple can redesign their chipsets to a massively multicore arrangement, to help with the 10nm overheating issues.

NOTE:   APPLE JUST ANNOUNCED A HEXACORE PRODUCT DESIGN FOR PHONES AND AN OCTACORE DESIGN FOR TABLETS/LAPTOPS

The monkey is now squarely on the backs of Samsung and TSMC to make their 10nm performance/heat yields and actual performance levels pay off correctly.   And they HAVE TO BEAT THE OVERHEATING ISSUES or else come clean on the overheat slow down curve that their version of 10nm actually has to have so the chipsets can be correctly redesigned.

Intel finally had to take this path with their overheating 14nm chipsets, finally having to develop correct specification curves for cooling and performance that actually reflected what they were really actually shipping.

Intel NEVER COULD FIX their 14nm overheating slow down issues, they simply spec'd them correctly in the published product specs.    And they correctly spec'd some serious chip cooling as part of the performance curve sales package.    Intel now markets 14nm as a battery saver, not as a performance improvement.

10nm ARM may have to do the same.   A possible dodge is to go massively multi-core at the ARM 10nm design level, to keep each individual core's temperature down at a reasonable heat level.  

A part of this trick will be the supporting ARM bios software, able to rapidly switch out the tasks assigned to an overheated core to a cooler core.   Since many phone tasks are only 1-2 threads deep, a 6-8 core chipset could move things around to cooler cores in a round robin fashion to keep the throughput up higher.  

Good chipset cooling DESIGN REQUIREMENTS would be needed as well.


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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/xiaomi-flagship-smartphones-pack-mediatek-chip-10-co...

Late breaking design news from Mediatek and Qualcomm as they try to design some massively multicore chipsets that will work well on into 2016 and 2017 and be able to bump down the lithography shrinks for those years  ......

"Qualcomm, in contrary, is also said to be planning for a new SoC featuring the deca-core processor dubbed Snapdragon 818, in a bid to compete with MediaTek's Helio X20. Qualcomm's upcoming chip is expected to support LTE-Cat 10 speeds.

Designed to be used in top-notch mobile devices, the Helio X20 is the world's first mobile processor incorporating Tri-Cluster CPU architecture, with 10 processing cores. The company has confirmed that the chipset would be ready by third quarter of this year and available in consumer products by the end of the year."


Qualcomm has a 4 core chipset that is a horsepower chipset, but it sounds like it won't translate well at 10nm with the thermal constraints, so Qualcomm is going to go massively multicore to beat the heat .....
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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #153 - 11/02/15 at 08:05:30
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/11/asus-zenfone-2-laser-deluxe-launch-in-the-us-fo...



Asus Zenfone 2 Laser ZE551KL

"Unlike the international version of the Zenfone 2 Laser, this model is the same size and shape as the original Zenfone 2. But there are a few key differences under the hood.

The phone gets its name thanks to the laser-assisted autofocus feature for the rear camera. It also has a Qualcomm Snapdragon 615 processor instead of an Intel Atom chip."

(please note, the 615 is an octacore chipset)


Why interesting?   Zenphone went with Intel chipsets and the big big memory levels as spec'd by MS/Intel so they could play in the Win 10 phone/PC realm two years ago when it was originally promised to come out.    It never made it ......

Two years later, Zenphone still isn't a Win10 approved pnone/PC player, so Zenphone is dropping the Intel chipset, dropping the overkill Intel memory specs and is becoming a Qualcomm octacore based product.

This isn't as bad as it sounds as Qualcomm chipsets will likely make it into Win10 phone/PC space before the Intel chipsets will anyway.

Intel isn't really doing all that well in mobile right now as the original Zenphone was one of the very few players using an Intel mobile chipset in a mainline product.  

Intel mobile stuff is only 2 to 4 LARGE cores and simply cannot compete with ARM massively multicore chipsets on just about any front.  Now the only Intel mobile chipsets left are in a few MS built Lumina phones that are just plain grossly overpriced.

Watch Intel have to go massively multicore across the board so they can try to maybe get something useful out of their now "behind the development curve" 14nm manufacturing process.
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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #154 - 11/02/15 at 08:30:18
 
Sounds like they've hit a wall.
The wall is no longer can we make it smaller, but how many electrons do we need to flip this switch.
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Reply #155 - 11/02/15 at 08:48:29
 

It is a wall that can be cheated some with massive multi-core and "move the task to a cooler core" tricks.

But yes, it is a wall.

Intel was so proud their 14nm was a true "14nm used in all traces" design, but that simply meant they unexpectedly hit the wall before the ARM guys did.

At 10nm the wall is there for everybody.   Only the very clever ones will build successful things at 10nm and below.

And now you see why Google is hiring some top notch chip designers away from the other guys as the correct optimized "OS/chipset" design for the current lithography level is now a critical business requirement right now.    

They need an in-house chip designer to explain to the software OS guys exactly what the rapid moves just made by ARM and Apple and Mediatek and Qualcomm will require out of the Android OS in core scheduling functions, etc. etc. etc. etc.

OS design must mate up well with the lithography required chip designs, or you will have a loser product going forward.

And please remember, Android is intended to be a laptop/PC OS going forward, too ......

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Reply #156 - 11/02/15 at 19:33:18
 

Believe it or not, Chrome OS has many vocal fans.   It only pulls down 3-5% of all computing devices, but it bulks "large" in new low end laptop sales for the last 3 years running.

It also has a fairly strong lock on Education right now, holding a majority market share there.

It is beloved for what it does well, easy installation and minimal maintenance by instructors, with only one computer geek being required in each elementary school.

Google has now come forward saying Chrome for Education will only gain a few new features, not convert and become Android per se.

Android will get more Chrome features as far as resizeable windows, ease of keyboard and mouse use goes ..... and they can have the stronger Chrome security system and the no hassle update system too.

Blend the billion or so individual loaded Android apps with Chrome's ease of use and Chrome's really VERY GOOD security structure ......  then give it a new name that won't alienate either group.

Here is the trick -- Android is really quite Organic now and nobody is going to do anything in Organic Android that they don't want to do.  

If Google goes odd places, they will go there by themselves.

Chrome OS is more of an ecosystem, complete and whole -- Google can sway that ecosystem, but will quickly find out that the Open Chromium Project means that folks don't have to follow bad moves there either.

Android has some historical things in it that gets them sued periodically --- this would be a good time to lose those things and use the Chrome bits instead.    

It would be nice if nobody had to pay MS their Android "or I'll sue you" extortion tax any more ......

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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #157 - 11/03/15 at 06:38:21
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/11/microsoft-is-dropping-onedrive-free-storage-to-...

Microsoft is dropping OneDrive free storage to 5GB, killing Office 365 unlimited storage



So, you actually believed MS's BS that they told you back when you bought into their stuff?

MS's EULA states they can change the rules on you at any time with no prior notice.

So there, take that --- you somewhat naive person you .....   just savor the flavor as MS turns that big MS screw in another quarter turn .....  about $1.99 a month's worth.    

If you are a Cloudbook user, likely you will pay the $1.99 a month since a chunk of your OS lives up in the cloud most of the time and if your Drive stops working so does your machine.

Let's see now, that is a monthly charge of $1.99 for Drive and $2.95 for a Skype number.  

Hey, that is 60 bucks a year -- wasn't that what MS originally said they would charge for Win 9 as a "pay as you go" subscription plan?

And remember, please ....

"Google, meanwhile, continues to offer at least 15GB of free storage for users of Google Drive, Gmail, and Google Photos."
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Reply #158 - 11/03/15 at 07:32:38
 

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Food for thought ...... by inference Google is saying by 2017 you can simply dock your midrange to upper range Android phone and use it as your PC to run your keyboard, mouse, controller and big screen.

Will Steam (games being the only real reason to use MS) come to the new Android?   Yeperoo.   It is a no brainer since it is already available for Android.

Now you understand MS's latest big fixation with buying some sort of controlling interest in GAMES.    They MUST control premium games, or they are gone in 5 years.

So, in two short years, the world may sort itself out into "everybody else" and MS .... with MS being by far the lesser item.   If Google does it smart, this "everybody else" will be a huge mass of organic contributors who, as a whole, run things but willingly adhere to the skeleton rules Google keeps up with.

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Steamboxes are out and shipping in quantity this Christmas -- folks who don't want to upgrade their Xbox or Sony Play station for the umpteenth time can simply buy a Steambox from a competitive variety of suppliers for similar to less money.

The good news is Gabe is telling the game developers to write ports of all their big games for his Steam machines.    If they do this, they automatically write Linux Mint ports as well.   This is good for us old farts as MS is going to drive us all to Linux eventually with their unbridled greed and ever changing EULA rules.

Some few big game houses are still under exclusivity agreements with Xbox/Microsoft.    Very few houses write solely for Playstation/Sony any more.    

This "restricted" age is ending ......   finally.

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Reply #159 - 11/04/15 at 05:31:03
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/11/google-says-chrome-os-isnt-going-anywhere.html

Google replies to the Wall Street Journal article, saying Chrome OS isn't going anywhere



Some of Chrome's functionality will go into Android, and vice versa
(which was all that was told to the WSJ reporter, who simply "folded in" the rest of it with his own interpretations.)  

Chrome OS is currently a success in laptop land and the following factoids were given in support of that statement.

More than 2 million teachers and students are now using the new Share to Classroom to use Chrome OS devices in class settings  
(something new to allow easy widespread use of teaching softwares)

30,000 new Chromebooks are activated in US classrooms every day   (that's a lot of Chromebooks, it would be  nearly a million per month during the first months of a school year as I doubt this rate holds good all year long ---- plus that is only here in the USA, other countries add more to the pile I am sure)

A growing number of businesses (including Netflix and Starbucks) are said to be using Chromebooks as well.

Chromebooks regularly top Amazon’s laptop best-seller list.

People who use Chromebooks are buying their second unit now, which is a step up in memory, processor and screen size generally speaking.



Cheesy    ...... only MS wants that Chrome OS should be killed off at the moment.    BUT EVERYBODY DOES WANT ANDROID TO GROW UP SOME AND BE A REAL OS CAPABLE OF CORRECTLY RUNNING A LAPTOP OR DESKTOP.

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Reply #160 - 11/04/15 at 10:11:54
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/11/hp-chromebook-with-4gb-ram-fhd-display-now-avai...

HP responds to WSJ article by releasing an upgraded Chromebook

As expected, HP’s fourth-generation Chromebooks are now available, and as expected, they sell for $249 and up.

But the sweet spot is probably the $280 model. Because that version has 4GB of RAM and a 1920 x 1080 pixel IPS display, making it one of the most affordable Chrome OS laptops with those features.

Best Buy is selling the $280 Chromebook in two colors: Silver and Sky Blue.



The cheaper model has a matte 1366 x 768 pixel display and 2GB of RAM.

Both models feature Intel Celeron N2940 quad-core Bay Trail processors, and 16GB of eMMC flash storage.

The notebooks measure about 0.7 inches thick and weigh about 3.7 pounds. Other features include 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth, a full-sized HDMI port, a microSD card slot, two USB 2.0 ports and a USB 3.0 port with sleep and charge support (allowing you to charge your phone or other device even when the laptop is sleeping)
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Reply #161 - 11/04/15 at 10:19:12
 
I wonder if you can set the darned thins up without having to have wifi, like you gotta have for the Acer
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Reply #162 - 11/04/15 at 12:20:43
 

Art,

You have an atypical set up with no router and no home LAN and nothing except a AT&T skate board with its single connector jack.   Chromebooks, although desirable to you are not consistent with your connection/environment.

Some of what you struggle with is the atypical nature of your set up, which isn't going to change without you moving and getting a internet company instead of a phone company as your provider.   Right now you lack choices in the matter, as you only get it one way (the phone company way).    They can hook you up, but count on it costing you beau coup dinero when they do it.

Something for you to check into is a WIFI or mobile "HOT SPOT" which is a small box you can get from your provider to give you a WIFI hot spot in your house.

The price for such varies, with T-Mobile being dirt cheap, Sprint less cheap and AT&T being down right rapish last time I looked.


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Reply #163 - 11/04/15 at 12:26:41
 

Back to the gen 4 Chromebooks, running just a shade below a Pixel in specs and running less than $300 to start.   It is the next generation of step up Chromestuff and they are going to appeal to the folks falling out of love with Microsoft who don't want to drop a grand on a Mac.    Mac people are also learning to like the up-spec'd Chromebooks as they can get the fast specs, the size and the weight and the screen -- all for $500 cheaper than the new Macbooks cost.

Definitely some FASTER step up stuff, with stronger processors, 4 gigs of systems memory and 32 gigs or more of hard drive space.   Light as many tabs as you want to as fast as you want to, play multiple on-line games on multiple tabs, etc. etc.    The backlit keyboards and the big mouse pads are very nice as well.

The new Android laptops will likely step into a sub-Chrome market space and cost range, since Android currently lives large on a single gig (2 gigs is super spacious) and having memory sized at 8-16 gigs in even the most spacious of the non-Zenphone items.

Intel & Microsoft are FAR more expensive propositions with their Win 10 Mobile offerings right now ......  and are barely at the Beta stage as far as software completion or reliability goes right now (and only Beta-operate on MS's Lumina phones to boot).


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You can get full Win 10 laptops for $300 and up, but that is above the price range of the new gen 4 Chromebooks AND IT CANNOT COMPETE SPEED-WISE WITH THEM EITHER.  

The lightest and cheapest of the MS Win 10 units, the Cloudbooks, may require a $1.99 a month One Drive subscription after the first year runs out just to be able to get to all their operating files when they need them.

Microsoft is in a quandary -- Win 10 stuff isn't near as light (in hardware specs or in pounds) and it isn't near as fast as a Chromebook, and it costs 25% more money.    Right now Win 10 itself isn't coming across as a big selling point either as it is buggy, unstable and not completely written yet.

Christmas season starts this month -- we should be able to get some sales results out of both camps for this Chrismas season as we have the first half baseline numbers already (pre-Win 10 numbers), the third quarter numbers (Win 10 launch) and we'll get the full years end numbers too.

If Christmas Chromebooks outsell Win 10 laptops, it will be BAD, very bad for Microsoft ......

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Reply #164 - 11/04/15 at 21:35:59
 
Want a cheap ebook setup?  well, remember that RCA Pro 10.1 I got and still have? (It is running great by the way, and I use it every time I go out to appointments or will be away from the house for awhile)

Walmart has them for $69.99 right now, except its the RCA Pro II 10.1 which runs 5.0 lollipop in place of 4.4 kit kat. (android)

I ordered one up for the wife and will get it next week, and I will do an unboxing (I will need to set it up for her accounts) video and put it up on you tube, and will link it here.

Its her Christmas present, i'm not sure I will be able to hide it though, LOL Cheesy

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