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Reply #45 - 07/02/15 at 05:36:25
 
Dave wrote on 07/02/15 at 05:21:57:
It just depends on what kind or riding you need to do.  The stock Savage is a great commuter bike as long as you don't do long interstate rides, and it has plenty of power to break most speed limits on roads that have intersections instead of "ramps".  It is also a great play bike on the twisty back roads where the torque really helps avoid the need to do a lot of shifting and braking.

The used bikes are generally cheap enough that you can justify spending a bit of money on power improvements....provided you can live with a bike that is quicker - but not really fast.  You can buy a used and nearly pristine Kawasaki EX500 for $ 2,500 - $ 3,000 that will leave the Savage far behind when it comes to speed....but a vintage sport bike is not what everyone is comfortable riding.


It will be more of a project bike in the sense of learning how to tear apart and rebuild engines and such. Thinking of going the bobber route with it if my wife wants something else.

To me this is just a fun bike to ride. In the past, I have had a Rebel 250 and a Shadow 600. Currently have a Sportster 1200 and a Honda Fury 1300.  I had to ride the Savage home from the dealership and couldn't not stop laughing when I sat down on it due to feeling like being on a scooter compared to my Fury, but once I got a few miles down the road, I realized how much fun this little bike is!  
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Reply #46 - 07/02/15 at 05:56:33
 
Yep...the Savage is a fun bike to ride.

I just brought this thread back up for discussion:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1338924345/0#9
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Reply #47 - 07/02/15 at 18:04:40
 
I'm not looking to break speed records, and I mainly do cruising, but being able to open it up and smile a little is definitely nice.

I am doing it to learn as well and I would like to have something that I built up myself.

I need to look around for some parts distributors that might be able to drop the price of non-performance parts like gaskets and bearings and all.

Obviously with the Jug, Piston, Cam, and Carb I have to go with either Lancer or if I can find somewhere else but I don't want to buy junk either.

But any leads on where to look would be appreciated.

How do you guys think my setup will go and what I should be able to expect?

96mm Wiesco (Any other options for manufacturers?)
34mm VM Slide Mikuni
Still thinking about the cam but leaning to the stage 3
1.5 Inch header
Sprocket conversion to better suit highway riding (Kawa only option?)
Maybe swap out the valve springs for the new cam.
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Reply #48 - 07/02/15 at 20:59:06
 
yup the savage is a great commuter and a good backroads bike
If you do faster, straighter roads a lot (like say if you live in my area) you'll eventually want more bike
I did today, on my 'long' ride (close to 100 miles)
seat was killing my butt, bike was feeling strained here and there
she handled it, but I really enjoy that loop better on the XS11
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Reply #49 - 07/02/15 at 21:20:22
 
For me, fun is in pulling away from a stop and accelerating out of a turn.
Well,there IS being wound up pretty tight and downshifting , braking and falling into a corner.. I still remember the best one of those I ever did.
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Reply #50 - 07/02/15 at 21:43:20
 
that's my fun, too, there's just so much straight, and so much long sweeper in this area
on the Dragon the S40 makes more sense, though a small sportbike or motard would make more sense there
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Reply #51 - 07/03/15 at 03:21:31
 
Iceman4193 wrote on 07/02/15 at 18:04:40:
How do you guys think my setup will go and what I should be able to expect?

96mm Wiesco (Any other options for manufacturers?)
34mm VM Slide Mikuni
Still thinking about the cam but leaning to the stage 3
1.5 Inch header
Sprocket conversion to better suit highway riding (Kawa only option?)
Maybe swap out the valve springs for the new cam.


That is the "standard" hop up for this bike....except you don't need to do anything with the valve springs....and you do need to have a little bit of work done to the exhaust port (especially the ring at the exit of the exhaust port) to get the full benefit.

You will notice a significant increase is engine response and power.

I personally prefer the belt over the chain.....and the Kawasaki pulley conversion works fine on my bike.  One member had trouble with his.....nobody has figure out why yet.
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Reply #52 - 07/05/15 at 12:46:12
 
Dave wrote on 07/03/15 at 03:21:31:
Iceman4193 wrote on 07/02/15 at 18:04:40:
How do you guys think my setup will go and what I should be able to expect?

96mm Wiesco (Any other options for manufacturers?)
34mm VM Slide Mikuni
Still thinking about the cam but leaning to the stage 3
1.5 Inch header
Sprocket conversion to better suit highway riding (Kawa only option?)
Maybe swap out the valve springs for the new cam.


That is the "standard" hop up for this bike....except you don't need to do anything with the valve springs....and you do need to have a little bit of work done to the exhaust port (especially the ring at the exit of the exhaust port) to get the full benefit.

You will notice a significant increase is engine response and power.

I personally prefer the belt over the chain.....and the Kawasaki pulley conversion works fine on my bike.  One member had trouble with his.....nobody has figure out why yet.


Oh I didnt realize it was a chain conversion. I thought it was just large sprockets.

I would prefer to keep the belt, just go with a smaller front or larger rear to make highway riding RPM a bit less
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Reply #53 - 07/05/15 at 12:56:45
 
Iceman4193 wrote on 07/05/15 at 12:46:12:
Oh I didnt realize it was a chain conversion. I thought it was just large sprockets.

I would prefer to keep the belt, just go with a smaller front or larger rear to make highway riding RPM a bit less


that is a belt drive with kawasaki pulleys

you want bigger front smaller rear, or some combination thereof.
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Reply #54 - 07/09/15 at 17:18:42
 
verslagen1 wrote on 07/05/15 at 12:56:45:
Iceman4193 wrote on 07/05/15 at 12:46:12:
Oh I didnt realize it was a chain conversion. I thought it was just large sprockets.

I would prefer to keep the belt, just go with a smaller front or larger rear to make highway riding RPM a bit less


that is a belt drive with kawasaki pulleys

you want bigger front smaller rear, or some combination thereof.


Awesome, is there a way to figure out what speeds I can expect at what RPM with various size pullies?
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Reply #55 - 07/09/15 at 18:47:40
 
You don't have much of a pulley selection to choose from.  The Kawasaki EN454 front pulley can be machined to work.....and it changes the stock 23 teeth to 25 teeth.  The rear pulley that can be adapted is a Kawasaki KZ750 and it changes the stock 68 to 65 teeth.

The front pulley conversion can be done alone, the rear pulley has to be changed in conjunction with the front pulley or the belt becomes too long.  This is not just a bolt on change...it requires significant machining to make them work.  You need a milling machine or lathe with carbide cutters for the front pulley, and a drill press and lathe for the rear pulley convesion.
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Reply #56 - 07/15/15 at 17:45:59
 
Well that sounds complex.

I was wondering to about the ignition system. Do you have to make any alterations in the firing time when you upgrade the engine or does the stock system work well?
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Reply #57 - 07/15/15 at 18:27:28
 
I have not heard of anyone altering the timing, however I was wondering if retarding the timing a bit might be beneficial with the higher compression piston.
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Reply #58 - 07/15/15 at 18:27:52
 
Modifying the timing isn't something I'm aware of anyone doing. It's been talked about, but I don't think anyone has. And, I did a Stage One cam, Supertrapp, gutted the header, fourteen disks on the Trapp, rejetted and the only hassle I had was needing to tweak the idle up at first start, down as it warmed up.. But it ran great.
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Reply #59 - 07/16/15 at 19:14:46
 
Im just wondering with the high comp piston if playing with the timing would help get even more out of the mods ya know?
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