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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #405 - 06/28/15 at 20:05:05
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 06/28/15 at 19:15:32:
 The phone rings and the speakers ring and a caller id pops up on the big screen with an answer button for you to click on.   So you mouse click it and your wife starts talking.  Your phone has a mic already, so you just talk normally and do the call and answer the vital crods question so your wife can buy the right underwear for you.

I yank the phone outta the dock...
killing whatever I'm working on...
the horror... the horror   Embarrassed
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Reply #406 - 06/28/15 at 20:09:01
 
You'll be shocked, I know, but I CAN use the cell, I can use the camera, I can Reply to a text, but, no idea how to initiate one.
And, about ten years ago, I actually built a computer, loaded the software, it even worked. But , cheap drives are not trustworthy. I couldn't even start that today..
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Reply #407 - 06/28/15 at 20:53:52
 
verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/15 at 20:05:05:
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 06/28/15 at 19:15:32:
 The phone rings and the speakers ring and a caller id pops up on the big screen with an answer button for you to click on.   So you mouse click it and your wife starts talking.  Your phone has a mic already, so you just talk normally and do the call and answer the vital crods question so your wife can buy the right underwear for you.

I yank the phone outta the dock...
killing whatever I'm working on...
the horror... the horror   Embarrassed


It only does that on the Microsoft phones running MS softwares (the BSofD still survives into the future as a MS exclusive feature) -- Android phones have the android software running already (it is what they have been using the whole time) and when they leave the dock they sense the I/O change and light up the cell phone's screen in mobile mode, simply continuing with what you were already doing on the smaller screen.

Android only HAS one OS to deal with, but MS has two OSs to deal with now and they have to switch back & forth and back and forth and them silly BSofD oopsies do happen still happen occasionally.

Wink     .....  someone will collect crash statistics eventually, and guess which OS will crash more frequently .....
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Reply #408 - 06/29/15 at 05:53:27
 
Justin,

The real answer is that we have always talked to our phones ..... but now they are starting to listen and to talk back to us.

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Reply #409 - 06/29/15 at 10:24:44
 
I love my phone's 'talk to text' feature
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Reply #410 - 06/29/15 at 13:15:16
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 06/29/15 at 05:53:27:
Justin,

The real answer is that we have always talked to our phones ..... but now they are starting to listen and to talk back to us.

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Reply #411 - 06/30/15 at 06:51:49
 

Chinese and Indian markets are huge, but they are becoming completely saturated on the low end.

Look to see all the Hockey Stick boys start building step up processors as the Middle Range is now the new big expansion market in India and Asia.   After 2-3 years (now) all those first purchasers are looking to upgrade their phones into some nicer features.

Mediatek has already made their move to the upper middle and Mediatek is now making and selling the majority of the chipsets that leak their way back to the USA in lower cost products.   What is good is that new ARM tech that is coming back to us by way of Mediatek is so good it is putting pressure on Qualcomm (and Samsung) to keep their advances moving very quickly year on year.

Now here comes Rockchip, making their first step up upper middle range chipset.   This RK3368  is their first 64 bit chipset and it is their first octacore chipset as well.

http://liliputing.com/2015/06/lilbits-299-rockchips-first-64-bit-chip-arrives...



This chipset will be relatively expensive for the first two years, then in year 3-4 it will hit the bargain basement and may well power a lot of lower cost products.    That is if Mediatek chooses to leave the market niches that Rockchip services alone, instead of pre-filling them with their own more sophisticated octacore products before Rockchip can get there.

And it also ignores Allwinner, who is in the same market spaces as Rockchip and who also has fully functional octacore big littles to throw into the pot.

Rockchip went into bed with Intel, but we see no signs of any "Intel Inside" surviving in Rockchip now, instead we see what used to be an ARM front runner that is mentally crippled now and is now a full generation back bringing ARM chipset products to the market place.  

Furthermore, Intel has pigeon-holed Rockchip into tablets, a place they will remain stuck since Intel intentionally held back all their cellular radio tech and Rockchip has no cellular radio capability at all at this point in time.   And that tablet space is shrinking now, as phone space is the wave of the future and phone/PCs are coming up on everybody's radar screens.   Intel wanted Rockchip to be totally dependent on Intel, and it seems they have mostly done that even as Rockchip struggles to go back to their ARM roots.

ARM gave Rockchip their shot with the RK3288, and Rockchip allowed Intel to counter-bribe them right over into obscurity.   ARM then transferred their flow of new "future tech" stuff to Mediatek, who has remained loyal to ARM throughout and Mediatek is now lapping up on Qualcomm, Samsung and the big boys accordingly.

There is a lesson there for the other Hockey Stick boys about never siding with Intel, ever, not while expecting to garner any kind of long term advantage in a market that ARM churns every single year with significant new ARM tech releases.

Wink

"Chinese chip maker Rockhip has made a bit of a splash over the past few years by offering low-cost processors for Android tablets and TV boxes. But rival MediaTek seems to have been running laps around Rockchip recently, launching new chips at a rapid fire pace and dominating the Chinese smartphone space."

..... and from an earlier review, it seems the "Intel think" mental germ may have gotten deep into Rockchip's guts ....

"When I actually tried to use the tablet, it felt incredibly sluggish — but I can’t tell if that’s because the processor is a brand new chip and the company is still working to get Android to run smoothly on it, or if this was just the result of using a demo model left out in the open at a trade show where any number of folks had already used it and might have mucked things up a bit."


Actually, I think Intel has trained Rockchip to think in the Intel pattern of a fat, bloated disjointed motherboard with a lot of separate functions on separate chipsets ....




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Reply #412 - 06/30/15 at 09:05:42
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 06/29/15 at 05:53:27:
Justin,

The real answer is that we have always talked to our phones ..... but now they are starting to listen and to talk back to us.

Smiley




Had to laugh at that one OF !  
Went to visit a friend this past sunday, and between me and google and him and siri it was funny.
He talked to siri like it was a person, and it gave him smart ass answers to his smart ass questions.
Wonder if android does that? I haven't looked for a voice recognition assistant for android....yet.... because google is my friend, well most of the time, unless you are looking for roads to get to somewhere.... then you better know a little bit about the area LOL!
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Reply #413 - 06/30/15 at 09:28:44
 

Old_Rider, right now to get the best Google voice, you need to load Google+ and GIVE IT ALL THE PERMISSIONS IT NEEDS TO WORK CORRECTLY, so give it all the permissions it asks for.

Apple doesn't ask, it just takes the permissions Siri requires.

All the digital assistants are getting better and better and better ....  Siri is the most conversational (best sexy voice too) but Google+ is the best information, closely followed by Hound (a new entry from SoundHound, the audio people).   Cortana is last of the lot -- they have been owned by Nokia/MS for several years now and has not gotten significantly better in that time.

MS needs to go buy Hound, ASAP.    Hound is doing some new things, some better/different things.


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Reply #414 - 07/01/15 at 04:42:37
 

New wrinkle in the Chromewars saga, verbal phone intrusions ......

I was sitting at my computer and wanted to know when the post office in my local strip mall opened up so I could go get a prepaid mailer.

Rather than opening up another tab and going to see, I picked up my Moto G and OK Google'd it verbally for speed and convenience and for a quick no nonsense response.

"Tokay Center Post Office opens at 9:00 AM today"

..... just that quick, just that easy.

Talking to our phones is going to get VERY pervasive, I do believe.

When it is quicker to verbally ask your phone than type it in on an already lit browser, that indicates a paradigm shift is occurring.

I bet Win 10's Cortana isn't the last verbal assistant to be built into a laptop OS .....

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Reply #415 - 07/01/15 at 05:47:45
 
paradigm shift


I Hate those things.  I always grind some gears..Tho, that one does sound pretty smooth.
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Reply #416 - 07/01/15 at 07:35:21
 

There had been a bunch of Cyanogen phones planned to land here in the USA this summer, but suddenly they have all been cancelled.  

Every last one of them.

Why?

No voice assistant -- Cyanogen and open source haven't created an open source Siri/Cortana yet.

People do LIKE talking to their Google and Apple phones .....

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Reply #417 - 07/01/15 at 22:51:14
 

The planned new wave of Cyanogen phones are getting cancelled right and left now, mainly due to the failure of Cyanogen's new deal with Microsoft which has since pretty much fallen through leaving phone makers uncertain about what (or how good) Cyanogen/Microsoft OS was actually going to be come build time.    

Or else Cyanogen actually sent the prototype OS to them and removed all doubt about how sorry it actually was.

You see, Cyanogen has no voice activated assistant and it was planning on using all the disjointed Microsoft/Nokia bits and pieces that were supposed to magically come together to make up a full service phone OS under Cyanogen's massaging fingers.

This wonderful idea is now a no-show from the phone builder's perspective and may be just another MS wet dream gone drop .... plop into yet another steaming brown pile of MS disjointed stinky stuff.

????? Or is it ?????

Nobody knows -- but they do know that Cyanogen is now planning on lifting a bunch of new code that Google just sent out to open source to fly free and go make up a new Cyanogen OS out of it.

http://liliputing.com/2015/07/cyanogenmod-is-building-a-chromium-based-web-br...



What does this mean?    Other than a confirmation that the Google bits are better than MS bits and Cyanogen always grabs the best bits available, it still leaves Cyanogen with no voice activated assistant.

AHA !!! Mebbe Cyanogen can go plug in Hound ????   Yes, by taking all the best Google bits and splicing in Hound, can Cyanogen mebbe build themselves "something better" instead of failing miserably ????    Or perhaps will Google let Cyanogen lift "OK Google" along with the rest of the Chromium and Android OS stuff they just released ????

Perhaps so ......   this is more in line with Cyanogen (the Mod)'s history from years past.

..... but then where does that leave poor MS ???



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Reply #418 - 07/02/15 at 08:01:06
 
I have always had "fat finger syndrome" when typing, be it on a regular sized keyboard or tablet, but man on a cell phone i'm a nightmare!

When my first HTC phone (Hero) had a little microphone when I popped up the keyboard I was ecstatic! WOW I could TALK to my phone instead of TYPE it all?

Of course I mumble a bit, so I would more often than not have to go back and correct my texts, and if they were short ones I would usually just go back and re-write the whole thing.

But now that google has LEARNED my voice pattern (well almost) I am a very happy camper.
When I got the google glass I thought I was done with using my phone keyboard... but alas, battery life and certain functions left me still having to use my FINGERS to do stuff....sigh...

I am now awaiting the newest version of glass but doubt I will be on the testing program as it is super secret and no one knows what it looks like or how it performs, or even if it has similarities.

Paradigm: a fundamental change in approach or underlying assumptions.

Fundamental: a central or primary rule or principle on which something is based

Change the rules..... that's how its done.   Wink

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Reply #419 - 07/03/15 at 19:32:08
 

Linux Mint Mate 17.1 just upgraded to 17.2 which is another whole years' worth of progress.

To upgrade, I clicked once (1 time) and let the system do its thing in background mode.

I wrote this post while my upgrade was taking place --- ooops, gotta go now, upgrade is finished now.

.... and people wonder why folks like Linux Mint compared to Windows whatever .....
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