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Reply #390 - 06/18/15 at 05:23:22
 

Speaking of that $200-$300 Intel price supported Asus Zen phone, have you wondered why it is as thick and bulky as it is?



That is a LOT of extra price supported motherboard componentry that is all built right into a modern ARM/Android phone's main chipset.

..... and folks mention it gets a bit warm in heavy use.   Duh, all that extra componentry does use extra power (converts some of it to heat) you know.

Smiley     ..... still, the phone is cheap and it always gets good mid-range phone reviews.
Battery life is so so, but that is true of many mid-range phones right now.


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Reply #391 - 06/19/15 at 06:21:59
 
I don't know if this is off topic or not. My son sent me a couple of links regarding google research into face and voice recognition.


http://googleresearch.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/inceptionism-going-deeper-into-n...
That's a link to an experiment were they teach an artificial neural network how to recognize pictures and then feed pictures back through it and ask it to generate new images based on what it sees and understands of previously shown pictures. I've never done acid but I imagine that this is very much what it looks like.  either way it's kind of neat.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPX0SCl7OzWilt9LnuQliattX4OUCj_8EP65_cTVnBm
S1jnYgsGQAieQUc1VQWdgQ?key=aVBxWjhwSzg2RjJWLWRuVFBBZEN1d205bUdEMnhB
That is a gallery of the images."
I have never done acid either but some of these images blow me away.
They remind me of the movie "Aliens".
I can't get the second link to work. Somebody help me out please?
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Reply #392 - 06/19/15 at 06:30:22
 

Google is the "new idea" company, and they have dozens of new items under development that we (the public) do not hear about until Google has a partner to bring it into commercial reality.   Google throws in a "prototype stage" on any product that requires the app programmers to modify existing softwares (they need time to do that, right?).

There are LOTS more like this that we do not know about yet.    Google makes an offer to new idea inventors --- come work with us, we will pay you a salary and provide you with lab resources you need to finish your idea and we will fund your initial prototypes, but we will share IP ownership of what you developed while we paid you -- once you break away and go commercial, we can make an agreement or not, depending on circumstances.

Many inventors find they LIKE working at Google and stay on for new projects.


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Here is an example of Google empowering an inventor, and then when he chose to go it on his own, they let him fly free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78C4YOPyE8

So, you can say that Google has already done the docking thing and released it as a commercialized product under the control of the inventor/entrepreneur.

Needless to say Google has already built this stuff into the current released Android versions, using the dock hardware and the app as the deliverable.


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Reply #393 - 06/19/15 at 06:39:14
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/06/next-gen-toshiba-satellite-radius-11-2-in-1-lap...

Toshiba is updating its entire line of laptops with dedicated hardware to support the Microsoft Cortana digital assistant software included in Windows 10. That means there’s a dedicated Cortana key on the keyboard and dual-array microphones to allow the company’s laptops to pick up your questions and voice commands even in a noisy room.

Cortana has problems separating background noise.   Siri has the same issues.  Google uses some server farm power to keep a custom voice map just for you (always learning your voice better and better) so it can deal with some additional background noise.    

The new startup Hound seems to do better with noise than the others, but it uses music based tech which is where it came from.   (somebody is going to buy up Soundhound, I betcha).

For example, Google cannot deal with you lending your phone to your wife periodically -- two different people's voices screw the memorized voice mapping all to hell and it takes a month to straighten it out again.     (or you can go into settings and delete your screwed up voice map and start over fresh with a new one with only you doing the talking).

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Talking to your stuff is A LOT EASIER than typing, and the companies that do it well will be the ones that win in the end.
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Reply #394 - 06/19/15 at 08:35:22
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/06/nextbook-ares-8-is-a-78-android-tablet-thats-no...

Nextbook Ares 8 is a $78 Walmart sold commonly available Android tablet that’s not awful



https://youtu.be/bpSSozC-2IA   it is a YouTube, so click on it.

The tablet features an Intel Atom Z3735G Bay Trail processor, which should offer decent performance, 16GB of eMMC storage and a microSD card slot for removable storage, a micro HDMI port, micro USB 2.0 port, and an 8 inch, 1280 x 800 pixel display.

Other features include GPS, a 3-axis g-sensor, and front and rear cameras. The Nextbook Ares 8 measures 0.34 inches thick, weighs about 0.85 pounds, and comes in three color options: red, blue or black.


Folks, this is a lot cheaper than buying a replacement battery for your existing iPad.   This is an excellent example of Intel price supports ringing through to the American market with a new, price lowering position on a product group.  

And this is a good thing for us consumers.

If my iPad 2 died, I would not get another used iPad nor would I pay $100+ to get the battery replaced ......  not with $79 units sitting on the shelves at Walmart.
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Reply #395 - 06/22/15 at 07:01:31
 

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/01/06/kickstart-this-dock-that-turns-your-p...

Kickstart This Dock That Turns Your Phone Into a Desktop Computer       a failed kickstarter campaign



Sad to say that Gordon Zheng has failed his kickstarter campaign --- but this is understandable since it was kickstarted here in the device rich USA instead of in Asia where it would most likely get used.

Also, the phones supported in the kickstarter campaign weren't particularly new or powerful phones -- a Samsung Galaxy S3 ????    That is the phone we just threw away here in America.

Andromium is the brain child of Gordon Zheng, who left a position as senior engineer for Google to pursue his own ideas after noting the rapid rise in smartphone, cloud and HDMI technology.

Gordon needs to let a new generation of more powerful phones come around, using the new USB C reversible jacks and more and FASTER connectivity and much stronger processors -- then his ideas will fly.  

MS will be doing it by then and Google and others will be looking for a "me too" to toss out there and they will be ringing ol' Gordon's phone reminding him of his IP sharing agreements.

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Reply #396 - 06/22/15 at 07:21:43
 
Depending on device price, I might've been a customer for that
The reason I ponied up nearly $300n for a Galaxy S3 was I had the idea to use it in place od my desktop
it definitely out performs my old PC, a dinosaur of a Dell Dimension
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Reply #397 - 06/24/15 at 07:27:12
 

Andronium is still available, you need to go to the website and contact Gordon directly.
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Reply #398 - 06/24/15 at 07:54:26
 

Microsoft  has finally done it -- Office for Android is REAL and it is for sale as an Office 365 subscription.

MS will survive no matter what happens, as a software supplier to the Android world.


   

https://youtu.be/UudBCuiCAkQ         it is a YouTube video, click on it
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Reply #399 - 06/24/15 at 08:09:22
 
Well, I looked it up, my S3 doesn't have the necessary OS, and I have no idea what processor it uses
shoot (i do have the necessary 2.0 GB RAM though)
Not real sure I'd go that route anyway at this point since I bought this new Accer
Also not sure my monitor is HDMI? So unaware lol
it would allow me to give Time Warner the boot for ISP though
oh, never mind, I just remembered, the phone provider has a way of telling if your phone is linked to a higher powered device, like say a laptop, and will slam the door if you do that
best I could use would be a dock that uses the phone's extant abilities and links it to a screen and keyboard / mouse (or touchscreen)
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Reply #400 - 06/26/15 at 07:07:33
 

Some bold pundits are beginning to predict on the Win 10 success factor.

None of them are predicting Win 10 is going to be a smash hit, because they already know what is in it and how not quite fast it performs on the current hardware.

(remember, Intel failed to bring out the crop of new, cheap superchips to make Win 10 run quick like a bunny on PC hardware).

Win 10 is a more complex, bulkier OS system --- it is the largest PC system Intel has ever put out as an OS product.

So much so that Intel has plans to keep roughly half of it up in the cloud at all times on chromekiller and mobile products, and only bring the other portions of the OS down from the cloud as needed.   In this manner, Intel can claim it "fits" on modern mobile products like chromekillers and  7" tablets and the like.

Can you say "slow, slow, slow, wifi / drive light always flashing" three times fast?

Next cause of concern is that MS is NOT being forthcoming at all about what happens in a year when "free Win 10" ends.   This lack of honest disclosure has many pundits looking at the whole Win 10 deal askance, like it it was some form of Ponzi scheme that pays off well early on but fails miserably when the whole truth becomes known.

Lastly, the "free Win 10" thing keeps getting excluded from this old hardware and that old hardware  ---  based on some old licensing issues that MS is trying to dodge the bullet upon.
   
Easy way to say it is -- Win 10 is free to anybody that has an ACTIVE license agreement that MS wishes to abrogate and to end early, not by defaulting, but by substituting Win 10 in place of the existing agreement.

Business isn't going for this, they have a TREMENDOUS investment in Win 7 and fully intend to stick with it for their full license period.

Bluntly, nothing out there in the consumer desktop/laptop PC arena is going to make Win 10 a runaway success as there is no large pent up demand in that market that is going to burst out into a huge violent success story for MS.   They will get them a sales bump in 2015, make no mistake about it as they will spend 10's of millions in advertising, etc. to get those sales.

Win 10 will not be countable as a real success until the Win 10 Mobile portion comes out and takes large ONGOING large market share chunk away from Android and Apple products.   Mobile is where all future growth will be, and MS must have success there in mobile to grow in any real fashion out into the future.

The best MS can hope for on the desktop right now is to slow or stop the desktop Chromebook bleeding, and this is what is predicted for the next two years --- a slowed to slightly reversed rate of decline to less than 5%, perhaps even up to some single digit positive numbers --- with late 2015 & early 2016 likely running up into positive growth space for a short period of time while the ad dollars and bribe dollars are still flowing freely.  

When the big builder support dollars stop, so does the positive growth.

MS PC has been declining at 4% to 6% year on year which has been a steady decline for 6 years now -- MS will count their Win 10 a real success if two years from now that decline figure is still less than 5% (that means that Win 10 was good enough to maintain MS's current position in the world marketplace).

During this same period of time some completely new disruptive technologies will be invented (the phone/PC is just one known example of these potential disruptors) that will take market share away from PC space  ---  we are talking unknown new stuff that is really independent of what MS does or doesn't do.

And remember, MS is not fast on their feet -- this Win 9 rework dragged on for three years before they had to rename it Win 10 to keep the delay from sounding ridiculous.   And the net result has NOT been a lighter faster better OS product as originally promised.

MS's ugly baby has a new tank top and diaper that matches its blanket, plus a little bit of facial makeup to make the smile prettier.   And since the baby is actually 4+ years old now, it can actually talk some now (and hopefully will become somewhat more mobile sometime soon as well).

Undecided

It is still Satya's ugly four year old baby.

    Remember, Satya just condensed his management structure to remove the upper management
of an entire division section of his company, so you can see that further MS "condensing" is already planned to take place inside the next two years.
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Reply #401 - 06/28/15 at 18:32:38
 

Google and ChromeOS are quietly doing their thing, eroding at MS's market share at a slow steady pace, not really caring how fast it happens,  IF it happens,  or not as the case may be.    Google is being all Buddha-Switzerland again ......   keeping clean hands and a pleasant demeanor while slooowly cutting into MS's marketshare worldwide.

However, the next new wave of "faster acting" FOSS disruptors are apparently on the way now, presaging a whole new type of MS eroding experience.

We are talking ANDROID windowing software, resting in the hands of the Hockey Stick boys and the FOSS people.

Yes, I know the Chinese have had Android windowing stuff for 5 years now but it stayed in China running Chinese as the native (and only) language.   Now it is showing up in America -- and I will refer to Andronium and Jide as the "current carriers" of the resizable window multi-program running multi-desktop organized type stuff running ANDROID 4.4.4 as its root OS system.

Watch out as you read about these things or watch the videos, these people are NOT native English speakers.   But don't judge the software from the broken English, the stuff actually works pretty durn well.

Their ideas do work well on minimalistic type hardware and some are pretty completely packaged -- Andronium is a phone/PC based product and Jide is a mini-box based product, but both use some of the same tricks that were developed in the Orient that have escaped into the public FOSS domain and have begun to turn ANDROID into a full service OS.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromium.os&hl=en

http://liliputing.com/2015/06/jide-remix-mini-a-30-tv-box-running-remix-os-ba...





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Microsoft has fueled this fire inadvertently by putting out a porkier bulky slow-arsed Win 10 that has a completely unknown ongoing cost and LARGE hardware requirements  ----  then MS goes tossing out a full Microsoft Office for Android and free MS Office On-line all of which can all run on both Andronium and Jide remix just as they sit today.

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..... and MS is actually paying all the phone builders to shovelware MS OFFICE on to all the phones they build .....

Just wait until Mediatek and Blu Products starts putting out these ideas onto some slightly more powerful low cost handset hardware with ample memory and starts selling it here in America.  

Or Asus could do it, since they have been put on hold endlessly by MS on their Zenfone MS product line and Zenfone already has the hardware and the memory that is required.

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Reply #402 - 06/28/15 at 19:15:32
 

Let me give you a vision .....

Your new Android cell phone comes in, along with its docking station.  You hook it up to your monitor and speakers and keyboard and mouse and sure enough, the big screen lights up and it looks PC-ish and seems to work OK using keyboard and mouse, etc.

All the phone guys do docking stations now that come as a stock in the box accessory with all the good phones, as it is a "key differentiator feature" and they all must do it now or else lose sales accordingly.    And MS is still paying the phone guys to shovelware MS Office on to all their phones still, so guess what you already got on there on the phone.

While you are futzing around with it, your wife calls you from the mall asking if you like Hanes or Jockey, a vital question concerning which one coddles your crods better.   The phone rings and the speakers ring and a caller id pops up on the big screen with an answer button for you to click on.   So you mouse click it and your wife starts talking.  Your phone has a mic already, so you just talk normally and do the call and answer the vital crods question so your wife can buy the right underwear for you.

Then you think a bit and Hey ---who knows,  mebbe it will work ......    

"OK Google, how many 50 grain loads are there in a pound of powder?"

"There are 140 each 50 grain loads available in a pound of powder"

"OK Google, best route to SimpleLife campground from here"

"Hwy 421 to I-40 to Hwy 74/28 is the quickest route" (displays Google map route)

Reach over and pull the phone out of the docking station and say "begin navigation" and it does .....

Put your phone into the bike holder and go.

Sweet, huh
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Reply #403 - 06/28/15 at 19:38:53
 
Vision

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Bluurreeyy

I'm way too disconnected from tech to even approach such avision.

That's just light years ahead of what I expected.
I Love it!
I'm not a customer, but I can appreciate,.
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Reply #404 - 06/28/15 at 19:41:02
 

Justin, do you talk to your phone yet?
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