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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #210 - 03/10/15 at 23:31:43
 

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192893-the-first-core-m-laptop-paints-a-...

The Lenovo’s Yoga 3 Pro, the first Core M laptop shipped paints a depressing, mediocre picture for Intel’s 14nm Broadwell



Uh, Intel -- this thing is supposed to perform BETTER than last year's models, not a lot worse.

"To say there’s a great deal riding on the launch of Intel’s Core M is something of an understatement. The chip — and Intel’s 14nm hardware — is nearly a year late. The delays have raised investor questions about Intel’s ability to maintain or leverage a technological advantage over its rivals, and while Intel’s own demos have looked amazing, these always take place on very friendly turf under controlled conditions. There’s no substitute for shipping hardware, and that’s why a great many eyes have turned to Lenovo’s Yoga 3 Pro — the first shipping device with Broadwell inside.

Somewhat unfortunately, this critical first system doesn’t seem to live up to Intel’s hype.

While many reviewers praise its diminutive size, low weight, and display quality, complaints about battery life, heavy throttling, and poor performance are common. Curiously, reviewers are completely split on whether or not the system even has a fan. Some reputable outlets make specific note that the computer lacks one, while others complain about the sound level. What everyone agrees on is that the system throttles constantly, possibly in part because Lenovo chose to set a 3.5W target for the chip rather than the 4.5W TDP that Intel specifies (the Yoga 3 Pro allows for bursts of up to 12W total system consumption, however).

Lenovo’s claim of “up to nine hours” on battery life is farcical. WindowsCentral.com claims 5-6 hours, at the very most. PC Pro hit eight hours, but only by turning screen brightness to its lowest levels; turn brightness up and battery life plummets. UltraBookReview reports that under various workloads battery life ranges from 6 hours to 4 hours 40 minutes depending on workload. Part of the problem is Lenovo’s decision to equip a 44 watt-hour (Wh) battery — the 13-inch MacBook Air, which tends to be the go-to comparison for a system in this price range, has a 54 Wh battery.

Various and sundry other problems with unclear causes

Multiple reviewers have commented that the laptop runs remarkably poorly in Chrome, that its gaming performance is sometimes a regression over the Yoga Pro 2 and other Intel laptops, and that the Yoga Pro 3 is incontrovertibly slower than its predecessor. The overall picture painted by multiple reviews is of a product straining and gasping to manage more than a minimally acceptable level of performance. This is in direct opposition to the sleek, razor-thin Core M devices that Intel has previously demoed."


When you read this, you will realize why Apple isn't touting their new "Intel Inside" laptops for very much -- they too are displeased with Intel's performance, severely late delivery and just plain screwing it all up again.   Apple is indeed laying out contingency plans for the A-10X ARM processor, working to make sure it can spank Intel's best current through 2017 offerings as expressed by these sorts of results.

Intel is making this easy to do -- since the new 14nm Intel stuff is no functional improvement over the old stuff (just costs a lot more to produce).

More honesty and less hype out of Intel would have helped this introduction some as the battery was supposed to be the right size for this laptop, but instead the machine sucks just as much juice as a 22nm design current from 4 years ago and the machine offers very poor battery life off the "Core M sized battery" even with all the processor throttling that is going on to keep power usage down to a minimum.

Apple sees Intel's 14nm stuff as a no-win so far ....  and the Apple designed Samsung produced 10nm A-10x RISC design is looking more and more necessary for Apple to pursue for 2016-2017.

This is the same sort of energy nanny foolishness Intel ran into when they first came to mobile space -- their then current mobile processor sucked too much energy, so they choked it down with an energy nanny chip WHICH HURT PERFORMANCE TO THE POINT THE CHIP UNDERPERFORMED COMPARED TO THE COMPETITION.


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Intel's reaction one day later ......  

"Why?

Because laptop OEMs are gutless and sell on specs, not on experience. Because even when they build $1200 hardware, they infuse that price point with $300 thinking. Crank up the resolution, but use a panel with a bad color gamut. Slash the thickness, but gut the battery life. Charge four figures, but refuse to remove the spyware and shovelware that infest most OEM laptops like a bad case of fleas. Include a terrible webcam, because you can get away with saving 20 cents on the part. Improve the specs on individual parts, but don’t combine those improvements into superior products.

I’m not saying Core M/Broadwell doesn't have a problem. It’s possible that these weak performance figures and throttling issues are either caused by Intel drivers or by overly aggressive chip positioning. More laptop launches and reviews will establish which of these is actually the problem, but if I had to bet, I’d bet that the issues are mostly on Lenovo’s side. The CPU/SoC, for all its complexity, is still just one component in a complex system — and too many of the laptop’s issues may have little to do with the CPU core. Wall socket power consumption suggests, for example, that the chip does draw 3-4W in light workloads — well in line with Intel’s estimates.

Intel is investigating the issue and preliminary indications are that the situation may be partly resolved through a BIOS update. We’re in the process of reaching out to Lenovo and will update when we hear back."


So, Intel is gonna fix it with a Bios Update.    Right.   We shall see.

Also please note the tone of the article --- people in the reporting press are sick of Intel's constant smelly brown vapor poo and their playing dodgeball and spin doctor games with every bit of their factual information.   Intel is getting its butt busted in this article and this is a sea change of how Intel has been treated for DECADES now.

The flat disbelief being expressed here means Intel's credibility is shot -- and if you start to flat disbelieve Intel's PR machine then Intel has nothing to offer from this point forward.

The computing press has flat raised their hands and challenged Intel during recent keynote speeches and during recent press briefings, no one is in the computing press is cutting Intel any slack when the PR boys start tossing the poo around any more.    

Intel stockholders are doing the same thing, to the point Intel had to restructure totally just a few months ago to hide horribly bad mobile results from their own stockholders.

14nm is going to be a bad bumpy ride for Intel .....   Look to see Brian Krantz replaced as CEO this year as part of the Board of Trustees reaction to this mess.

MS was counting on 14nm Intel to make their porky slow OS move more quickly -- they had best ramp up their current efforts to slim ol bessy down to a whole new level as there isn't any MS speed and performance rescue coming from Intel 14nm so far.
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Reply #211 - 03/11/15 at 08:31:28
 

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-core-m-5y70-broadwell-tested-ben...

Digital Trends take on the Intel core M 5y70 Broadwell chipset

[UPDATED] INTEL’S CORE M POWERS THE MACBOOK

Update 3/9/2015 11:10AM: According to information released by Apple it appears the Core M-5Y70 tested here is the chip that’s powering the base model of the new MacBook.

Sizing up our Core M chip

"Keep in mind that Core M consists of a family of chips, not just one part. The one we got our hands on, the 5Y70, is the second most powerful Core M chip that Intel is launching as part of this wave of silicon. The Intel Core M-5Y70 is a dual-core chip clocked at 1.1GHz, with a Turbo Boost clock of 2.6GHz.

Not only is this the fastest Core M chip that’s out now, it’ll only be 100MHz slower than the highest-end Core M chip that Intel is launching this year. The next chip up on the totem pole is the 5Y71. That CPU runs at 1.2GHz, sports a Turbo Boost clock of 2.9GHz, and is also a dual-core chip.

Benchmark tests

Using the Yoga 3 Pro as our test bed, we started with SiSoft Sandra’s Processor Arithmetic test.

The Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro scored 29.33 GOPS. We compare that with the Yoga 3 Pro’s strongest and most direct competitor, which is the Dell XPS 13.

That notebook earned a grade of 38.79 GOPS. The XPS 13 is spearheaded by a significantly more powerful Intel Core i5-4200U chip, which was also present in last year’s Yoga 2 Pro.

Moving on, we next tested the Core M 5Y70 CPU in the Yoga 3 Pro using 7-Zip. The Yoga 2 Pro scored 7,080, and the Dell XPS 13 is neck and neck with it at 7,079. The Yoga 3 Pro’s Core M CPU was far behind, however, with a grade of 5,347.

In Geekbench, the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro earned a single-core score of 2,453, and a multi-core mark of 4,267. We didn’t use Geekbench when we reviewed the Yoga 2 Pro and Dell XPS 13, but we did use it with Lenovo’s Z40 notebook, which has the same Core i5-4200U processor that the 13 and the Yoga 2 Pro have. The Z40 earned a multi-core score of 4,628.

The Intel Core M 5Y70 is clearly not built for strenuous workloads. If you keep multi-tasking under control, though, it should at least make for a passable computing experience.

Graphics performance

Processing power may not be the CPU’s forte, but how does the Core M’s Intel HD Graphics 5300 GPU get by?

The Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro scored 3,889 in 3DMark Cloud Gate, and 579 in 3DMark Fire Strike. The Dell XPS 13 got 4,507 and 627 in the same tests, respectively. The Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro lags behind both significantly, with scores of 2,636 in Cloud Gate, and 376 in Fire Strike.

Though the Yoga 2 Pro and the Dell XPS 13 don’t conquer these tests, they’re in a different league. Both have well over 1,000 points on the Yoga 3 Pro in 3DMark Cloud Gate, and scores that are at least 200 points higher in Fire Strike.

Combine that with real-world performance, and you’ve got yourself a clear picture of what a graphics chip can do. We fired up League of Legends, a popular game that’s also the least demanding title we use to test GPUs.

Forget about enjoying League of Legends with the Core M, at least on the Yoga 3 Pro. With League of Legends running at the display’s native resolution of 3,200 x 1,800, the game ran between 18, and 8 frames per second. The game’s visual details were set to Medium.

For what it’s worth, we’re curious to see how Core M will fare on 720p and 1080p systems. We think it could manage at 1080p based on its 3DMark score, if only by the skin of its teeth.

Better endurance - not hardly

In the Peacekeeper Web browsing benchmark test, the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro lasted only three hours and 44 minutes on a single charge. That’s a notable improvement of 30 minutes over the Yoga 2 Pro’s time of three hours and 14 minutes. Both notebooks have 3,200 x 1,800 displays.

The Dell XPS 13 is in another league here, lasting seven hours and 48 minutes in the same test. Of course the 13 has a much less demanding 1080p display to work with.

Since both Yogas are forced to push an extremely high amount of pixels, the battery is taxed significantly as a result.

These days, 1080p is the sweet spot of display resolutions. That’s especially the case with laptops, where battery life has to be a key consideration when PC makers outfit their systems.

As with graphics capabilities, we want to see what Core M can provide in a 720p or 1080p system. In the Yoga 3 Pro, however, no amount of CPU-centric power efficiency can save Lenovo’s latest from a poor battery life score.

Better than it seems?

The Intel Core M looks like a disappointment. It’s not as quick as previous Intel 4th-generation processors, and it doesn’t always lead to outstanding battery life. You might be wondering – what’s the point?

Closer inspection, however, reveals there’s actually significant improvement here. Consider the multi-core GeekBench score of 4,267. That’s several hundred less than the an ultrabook with an Intel Core i5-4200U, but that 4th-generation processor has a quoted Thermal Design Power (TDP) of 15 watts. The  Core M-5Y70 has a quoted TDP of 4.5 watts. On paper that means the Core M manages almost equivalent performance on a third of the power. In reality TDP does not translate to actual power draw (it’s a guideline for laptop manufacturers, not a benchmark), but in any case it’s clear the Core M consumes far less juice.

That may be hard to believe given the Yoga 3 Pro’s poor battery life, but several of Lenovo’s design decisions make life difficult even for the Core M. The most important is not the screen but rather the battery, which is rated at 44 watt-hours. That’s not small, but it’s not large, and it’s ten watt-hours smaller than the battery in the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro. In other words, Lenovo’s design choice to save weight by reducing the size of the battery has mostly negated the advantage of the new, power-sipping processor. Most manufacturers will not make the same decision."


Wow, a very even handed review, which says clearly the Lenovo unit's Intel Core M 5y70 Broadwell chipset sucked across the board.    

It also spells out why Lenovo SHOULD NOT HAVE LISTENED to Intel's PR bullshite specsheet but should have tested thoroughly themselves before designing the unit.   Yes, Lenovo gets a BIG BIG black eye on this one for blindly following Intel's spec sheets and battery recommendations.

Lenovo has bitten the stinky stick twice in the last month, with the Superfish scandal and now this totally mis-built Core M unit.   I suspect Lenovo will not trust Intel spec sheets ever again since it is obvious that the Intel PR department writes them.

Apple, being forewarned will likely oversize the battery for this upcoming Apple Macbook, or else perhaps even not come out with it at all since it will be a poorer performing unit than last year's Macbook product and it will have a higher base cost that will have to be paid out for the privilege of simply sucking on all fronts compared to its predecessor.



Roll Eyes           Do you think Apple is pissed at Intel for much, being delayed for most of a year just to get a piece of crap Intel Chipset that doesn't even outdo their 4 year old CPU/GPU design?
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Reply #212 - 03/11/15 at 09:19:32
 

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"ARM Holdings chipset design group, how may we help you?"

"This is Apple calling -- we want you to push the five core A-11x forward a year, laid out at 14nm instead of 10nm.   We want the design forwarded directly to Samsung to be put into a real production equipment 4 tray run off at once, ASAP, so we can see what sort of yields we can get and to find out what performance is really going to be like off real production 14nm."

"My goodness, what has happened?"

"Yeah, we got in the first production shipment of 14nm Broadwells and yes the stupid bastards at Intel really did totally drop the ball, and then they lied to us about it for six months ongoing by sending us cherry picked samples.   Production Broadwell is a mess and we can't make any realistic product out of it without getting Lenovo'd.    Yes, we rejected the shipment.  Yes, we are going to have to roll forward an entire season early on our own RISC processors as we are a year late to market now and have no new product to ship unless we ship Intel's overpriced/underperforming crap."

"Do you think Samsung can do something that complex at 14nm that fast?"

"I guess we will find out when we meet with them next week, so get yourself a plane ticket and a room for March 16th-18th.  Next, we want that theoretical Cortex A72 octacore A-12x CAD layout brought to the same meeting with Samsung next week for them to do a feasibility study on doing that chipset next after this A-11x, but at 10nm for full production level roll out for next fall.   All we are really doing here is moving the 10nm chip up a year but at 14nm and bringing the third generation to market a full year earlier at 10nm, running it next year.

"Wow, desktop too huh."

"Yes, I guess we are finally done screwing around with Intel ..... we can no longer afford to NOT control our own destiny.  

Plus, with Intel dropping the ball so badly right now they have given us MORE than a one year window in which to take that chunk out of their laptop and desktop market share if we can move fast enough with us actually starting work 6 months ago on our chips like we did.  

A full implementation of the A-12x at 10nm may well wind up being light enough to go into a laptop as well, since the competition will have to be Intel quad/hepta core based and really isn't all that energy efficient, really.  The octa core should step seamlessly well at minimum energy cost per step when it is run on 10nm,  so it gives us lots of "Intel headroom" to work with.   Yeah, we heard about Mediatek and Intel, Mediatek is really good at energy scheduling those octas running all the same cores -- Qualcomm isn't shabby at the trick either.  But they all use your drivers, right?   So can we, except we'll stack up mix of custom tweeked A72s instead of just using A53s as the other guys do.


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Reply #213 - 03/11/15 at 20:51:29
 

What can Intel do about it?

Stop screwing around with gold gilt-edged strange purposeless dual core tablet chipsets at 14nm and pick one of the currently well proven out "best of the core i5 designs" and one of the currently well proven out "best of the core i7 designs" and scale them down to 14nm, get them debugged and get them ready to compete in laptops and PCs.  

And I mean like right now.    Apple is coming for you son, and they got their ARM on.

Intel you have no more time to frick about -- get some good competitive best in class stuff out there and try to keep a hold on to whatever mainstream PC market share you can hold on to -- while you frantically try to do these same few "best in class" chipsets again at 10nm.    

Forget about mobile, all you do is waste money and time and your admittedly limited mental resources distracting yourself with meaningless mobile stuff.

Whatever moves you do need to do need to hit the street FINISHED in 6 months time starting from the last item's finish  -- not a frickn' year and a half later.  

No more tick   -    tock  ---  you gotta learn to do a 6mos.  tick tick tick tick tick tick  and you need to focus on the vital few items that really count the most.

Intel, your indecisiveness is killing your future.    YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DEVELOP ENTIRE WONDERFUL ORGANIZED "FAMILIES" OF CHIPSETS ANY MORE  -- YOU NEED TO DO THE BEST OF THE LOT FAST AND THEN REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING MUCH SMALLER AND BETTER -- FASTER -- ASAP -- FAST.

You are not Intel the ponderous, great and magnificent any more, you are Intel the beleaguered and harassed and YOU NEED TO REACT AS FAST AS A SKITTY FAST KITTY THAT'S BEEN TOSSED INTO THE DOG POUND just to stay alive.  

Or you won't.    

And fire that BS'ing lying PR Department, they are slaying your credibility day by day by day.    A new powerpoint slide showing more BS stuff that you will never build HURTS your image more than anything else.

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Reply #214 - 03/12/15 at 10:19:25
 

And what immediately pops up -- yet another Power Point slide from the BS PR Dept.  

And this one is a DOOZY, lemme tell ya .....



Please don't look at Intel's latest press release concerning their Quad Core x5 & x7 chipsets.   processor platform, they never said chipset or SOC

Don't look at the obvious exact doubling/duplication of the dual core chipset that is sold one level below this one, complete with unnecessary 2x duplication of some of the various support bits and pieces.

Don't look, or you will know exactly what Intel is considering as their "Quad Core mobile chipset processor platform of the future".    It is really just two of their dual core units, complete with all the junk bits and pieces that each requires, because it isn't really an SOC at all, really.   It is two of their dual core processors hooked up slightly differently.

Remember them stupid dual processor motherboards Intel used to make -- shrink one of those motherboards to 4"x 6" and baby, you got the idea.  

This thing is going to look like a doubled up dual processor daughterboard, or perhaps they will just ball grid solder two each of the already existing dual core chipset daughter boards to the product's motherboard with the ball grids connecting on slightly different pins (save a little money, you know) .........


Auuuggggh !!          Tongue         REMEMBER, processor platform -- they never said chipset or SOC     You do realize it takes power to run all those extra components, right?

     woooo ..... Intel managed to shrink the motherboard down to 4" square

The Intel "processor platform" obviously is not integrated, and it is equally obviously not an SOC .... it is really just small sized old school PC type motherboard with a relatively HUGE dual core processor daughterboard sitting in the center of it.   And this new "quadcore" unit that is coming out soon from Intel is gonna have twice as much of the exact same sort of stuff in the very center of it .....   (and there is more stuff to be found on the bottom side of that big board too)

Roll Eyes  

Contrast please the board below, a fully integrated Samsung 5422 Octa Core ARM processor "everything on the SOC" from Odroid.   Just count the differences in overall size and the total number of additional components that Intel requires to make up a less powerful unit.   Get a good gut feel for how much Tech Support $$$ Intel has to pay out to a vendor to get them to use their Intel processors .....  and how many extra forms of I/O come stock on a fully integrated SOC ARM based unit  (i.e.  all possible forms of I/O ports are already there just waiting for you).

 
Price differential is huge,  Intel costs >$400 and ARM is only $179 and comes with memory and eMMC drive and a free plastic case -- or the same $179 could buy you a fully memory stuffed Asus Chromebox with your favorite Linux distro already Crouton'd.
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Reply #215 - 03/12/15 at 18:45:02
 

As Intel brings forth their new non-integrated non-SOC "processor platforms" for 2015, it is time again to see how the Chrome Killers did.

And the answer so far is that Chrome Killers actually took some market share -- but only away from $300+ Windows Laptops.  So far the yearly doubling of Chromebook sales has not diminished noticeably, but what has happened is Chromebook prices have quietly slid down from the ChromeKiller contested $200 price point to the $179 price point, where they continue to move on out into schools and homes and businesses without any competition from MS.

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Chromebook-12-Inch-Gigabit-Storage/dp/B00KD5RUN2/r...

You didn't see this coming MS?   The computing press told you it was going to happen, and it did.   These ARM based boys are still MAKING A REAL PROFIT at the new $179 price point.   Their units are light and quick and run very well, not like your dead slow crapware/shovelware choked MS Bingware units are currently doing.

Funny thing, them Chromebooks still keep getting better and better as the vendors compete for the expanding (doubling year on year) new market.   More processor options are coming about as Mediatek, Rockchip and Nvidia build new ARM 64 bit processors aimed specifically at Chrome Space.

Intel's old Chromebook/box dual and quad core chipsets are showing somewhat long in the tooth now and now rumor has it that Intel has approached Mediatek to  let Intel name brand Mediatek's new A72/A53 based Octa Core Chromebook chipset.  Intel really wants to market the new octa core for Mediatek under Intel's brand name mainly because the new Mediatek octa core kicks the crap out of anything Intel currently has to offer to put into a Chromebook.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=...

Indeed, there is some rumors that Intel has attempted yet again to buy Mediatek outright .... with no interest being shown on Mediatek's side.   Mediatek is quite familiar with the Rockchip/Intel saga and wants none of it.    However, enough money waved in front of any company can get them to delay a product launch for a bit .....  it certainly did that job with Rockchip and the RK3288.

Intel's Sofia is supposed to finally ship this summer, in the guise of a Rockchip designed and TSCM produced ARM A53 quad cored product that right now uses stock Mali graphics (with an upgrade to VR graphics supposedly in the pipeline).

Domestically, all the new 14nm domestic designed and built Intel "processor platforms" so far still reportedly suck on processing power and battery life once real production units are built around them, yes, even the ones with new 14nm Intel production processes.


-------   faltering PC markets are now showing up where no one is buying PCs at all for much any more --------


Samsung and a couple of others have departed completely from PC space in Europe and several other relatively stagnant PC markets, since all that they seem to sell there anymore is Chromebooks (free wide area wifi is supplied by the government in many European cities) and Debian-based Linux boxes (meaning Linux Mint and Ubuntu).   Asus, Acer, HP and Lenovo are still present in these areas, but for how long is the question?

Europeans for example will only buy expandable 2 slot Asus Chromebooks and Chromeboxes that can easily side load their favorite Linux distros.

"Linux market share" as reported by web use counters has doubled year on year for the last 3 years running but is still relatively tiny compared to Chrome OS or Windows.   Small vendors are snapping up all the US supply of used Asus 2 slot Chromeboxes from Ebay and are converting them to memory stuffed Debian/Ubuntu boxes which then sell very well in Europe.

Direct from the factory Ubuntu and Linux Mint boxes are selling better world-wide, but not nearly as well as Chromebooks and Chromeboxes.

People in European countries are demonstrating that they have achieved a "post PC mindset" and that they can live very well without MS's hand in their wallet all the time.   FACT: Most Linux distros are maintained by European people.   Some European governments have legislated mandates that no government office shall use MS 8.0 or 8.1 under any circumstance (too vulnerable and buggy).

Rumor has it that "business mode" Win 10 PC may make it out this year, but the rest of Win 10 mobile will have to come out next year.    Part of this seems to be that Intel still hasn't made a 14nm chipset quick enough to make porky Win 10 seem to run quickly and seamlessly .....  and Intel doesn't want MS to put out anything that runs better on ARM than it does on Intel chipsets  sorry, processor platforms.

This just gives  another 3/4 of a year for the "PC free" European areas to spread over to adjoining nations ....


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http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2015/03/intel_cuts_outlook...

Sounds like the financial world just figured out we are now in the Post PC Era ....

Intel cuts Q1 outlook by nearly $1 billion on weak PC sales; stock slides 4% overnight

""The change in revenue outlook is a result of weaker than expected demand for business desktop PCs and lower than expected inventory levels across the PC supply chain," Intel said in a written statement.

Intel also withdrew its annual revenue forecast. It had been expecting growth around 5 percent in 2015. The company said it will issue an updated forecast when it releases first-quarter results on April 14.

Intel's headquarters are in Santa Clara, California. But the company employs 17,500 in Oregon, more than anywhere else it operates.

Declining PC and laptop sales have put mounting pressure on Intel's business, which relies on that market for nearly two thirds of its revenue.

Consumers and businesses are less likely to replace old PCs now, in part because they have less need for additional computing power and in part because they're replacing buying tablet computers instead.

The issue kept Intel sales flat in 2012 and 2013, but PCs enjoyed a surprising rebound in 2014, buoying Intel's overall revenue.

On Thursday, the company said it had been expecting more small and midsized businesses would buy new PCs this year to replace the aging Windows XP operating system, which Microsoft stopped supporting last year. But those replacements aren't occurring as fast as Intel hoped, and Europe's weak economy further depressed sales."

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Reply #216 - 03/13/15 at 18:45:50
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/03/mk80-linux-edition-is-an-octa-core-ubuntu-mini-...

  tiny Linux boxes begin shipping ....

"The Rikomagic MK80 is a TV box with an Allwinner A80 octa-core processor, at least 2GB of RAM and at least 16GB of storage. Normally it ships with Google Android software, and the MK80 is designed to connect to your TV to let you run Android apps and games on a big screen.

But the folks at the UK-based CloudsTo store are selling an MK80 LE (Linux Edition) which runs Ubuntu instead of Android.

It’s available for purchase for £125 (about $184 US)."



We are seeing units come at MS/Intel from all fronts now, all below the $200 ChromeWar MS supported price point and all swinging "better than Intel" octa core ARM based processors.   This one is from Allwinner.  

Hurry, Intel, you forgot to bribe Allwinner .... and if the Allwinner makes it to market the other guys will have to go ahead and put their units out ASAP or lose their asses and their image in their home markets.   And that is never gonna happen, bribes or no bribes -- the hockey sticks will come out again and the raucous fray will begin anew.

What happens when Win10 for ARM comes out supporting these same chipsets ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EErwzr-47Y       click on it, it is a YouTube mooovie !!!
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Reply #217 - 03/13/15 at 19:25:19
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/03/system76-meerkat-is-a-tiny-linux-pc-with-a-broa...

System76 Meerkat is a tiny, Linux PC with a Broadwell CPU



Let's be even handed, some Intel based mini-linux machines are coming out too.   But the pricing is slightly different.   and wow, isn't that I/O choice impressive ????

"The company plans to offer two different CPU options: an Intel Core i3-5010U (with Intel HD 550 graphics) or a Core i5-5250U processor (with Intel HD 6000).

Other features include HDMI and DisplayPort for connecting up to two displays, Gigabit Ethernet, four USB ports, and a headset jack.

Final pricing hasn’t been determined yet, but the company says the System76 Meerkat will probably sell for about $500 and up when it launches later this month."


Roll Eyes        $189 vs $500 ....  hmmm, let me get out my calculator .....




Nah, I like this Odroid unit for $179 -- lots of better I/O choices and supported storage media.







.... or mebbe this Cubie Board unit for $125 as it is cheaper, supports wifi on board and has a VGA port for old monitors on top of the normal I/O ports.




Intel and company need a new much sharper pencil, $125 is a whole lot better than $500.    And Intel is smoking dope if they think you need a Core i5 to do anything in Linux .....
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Reply #218 - 03/14/15 at 08:15:13
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/03/qualcomm-dragonboard-410c-dev-board-with-snapdr...


Intel is smoking dope if they think you NEED Core i5 when doing anything in Linux .....

Yep, that is what I said.

Intel and some vendors have put out Core i5 Chromeboxes and the reviews came back, "Not needed, the same performance boost can be gotten from 4 gigs of systems memory on the standard processor."

People do get spoiled though --- so faster is generally better.   But not at the cost of quintupling the price.

So, why do folks pay attention to things like below?      

LENARO IS ENFORCING A WRITTEN RESTRICTIVE STANDARD for the first time





Well, I use the chipset in my current phone and it is a quick little bugger that DOES EVERYTHING, fast.   And the phone and the board are verging on dirt cheap.   And it has standards that it adheres to, LENARO standards.  

This means built in already working Debian/Ubuntu/Mint/Adroid support, etc.   (yeah, MS too when they finally do get there and start playing nice)

It would be the first 32/64 bit hobby card with full support from the OEM chip maker and LENARO, which means quite a lot actually.   You will be able to get everything working from the get go without having to buy adder cards.   And by working, I mean accelerated graphics, all the streaming standards, etc. etc. etc.


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"Qualcomm says the developer board supports Android and Linux and it could be used to develop products for robotics, cameras, signage, vending machines, internet-of-things devices and more.  

The board itself features Qualcomm’s 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex-A53 quad-core processor with 400 MHz Adreno 306 graphics, support for 533 MHz LPDDR2/3 memory, and eMMC 4.51 and micro SD 3.0 storage.

It has an HDMI port, two USB 2.0 ports, a micro USB OTG port, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth, FM Radio, and GPS. There’s support for a 13MP camera, and 60-pin and 40-pin expansion connectors. The DragonBoard 410c is also compatible with Arduino when you use a mezzanine board."


The DragonBoard 410c is just the latest board designed to meet Linaro’s 96 Boards standard.    This is a big deal, since it bridges computer uses, IoT uses, signage, OEM controllers, automotive, PLC controller type uses and hobbyist builder boards like the Adreno and Raspberry Pi sorts of educational things.  

And please remember, this one is a 64 bit totally current chipset, not something 1-2 generations back like a Raspberry Pi.  

The intended low end cost of $50 vs $35 for a Raspberry Pi makes this one hard to argue against since camera. wifi and GPS and everything else phone-ish is already built into it and is ALREADY WORKING  while a Pi can't do much without buying adder boards and doing a lot of programming/fiddling to get it to work at all.

https://www.96boards.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/96BoardsCESpecificationv1...    

(take a second and actually read the specs -- it is required to WORK RIGHT and do it off its own hardware too)

"Feature Highlights
OS Support: Android, Linux
CPU: quad-core ARM® Cortex® A53 at up to 1.2 GHz per core, 32-bit and 64-Bit capable
Memory: LPDDR2/3 533MHz Single-channel 32-bit (4.2GBps) non-POP/ eMMC 4.51 SD 3.0 (UHS-I)
Graphics: Adreno™ 306 400MHz PC-class graphics
Video: 1080p HD video playback and capture with H.264 (AVC)
Camera: support for 13 megapixel camera with Wavelet Noise Reduction, JPEG decoder, and other post-processing techniques done in hardware
Connectivity and Location: Integrated 802.11 b/g/n, BT/FM, GPS
I/O Interfaces: HDMI Full-size Type A connector (1080p HD @ 30fps), 1x USB 2.0 micro B (device mode only), 2x USB 2.0 type A (host mode only), micro SD card slot
Expansion:
1x 40 pin low speed expansion connector: UART, SPI, I2S, I2C x2, GPIO x12, DC power
1x 60 pin high speed expansion connector: 4L-MIPI DSI, USB, I2C x2, 2L+4LMIPI CSI
Analog expansion connector: Headset, Speaker, FM antenna
Arduino compatibility through mezzanine board"


If I were going to buy a hobby card to build a robot with eyes, I'd buy this one instead of the Pi because this one has dual (2) cameras support, GPS and wifi built into it already.

This could be ..... BIG, in a small sort of way.



   Cool       plus your project can play your favorite FM radio station for you while you work on it .....
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Reply #219 - 03/14/15 at 09:31:40
 

Post PC Computing is going to be a lot less expensive.    Folks aren't going to want to pay Microsoft Tax any more.   Folks will split up their computing between devices that meet each need more precisely and with less waste of "unutilized computing power".

What does this mean for the elephant makers?   Yeah, I mean MS and Intel.

Each home will have to have one (1) elephant hooked up to a printer and a scanner.   Instead of a full sized elephant (costing $60 a year in MS tax) people are starting to go with the free linux based miniature pigmy all-in-one elephants to get their "home base" job done.  

More and more the elephant home base seems to be becoming a "router connected" all-in-one cloud based scanner/printer instead of a MS taxed PC with a separate scanner and printer hooked up to it.  

Roll Eyes     (yeah, that's right, you don't need the PC any more at all, just go to Wally and pick up an HP e-cloud all in one)

Your phone, tablet and Chromebook split up the rest of your computing world into very sensible slices that are BEST SERVED by the device you tend to use for them.

We now have entire sections of the world that do not keep an elephant in the house AT ALL, period,  as they have found keeping up with an elephant is really such a pain in the ass and is so time consuming and expensive to do.  

Paying $60 a year just to own a Win 10 elephant ..... really?

You'll get there eventually ....   forget that shovel and that big 'ol poop bucket --- just get rid of the elephant.

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Reply #220 - 03/14/15 at 10:59:40
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/03/mele-pcg03-windows-mini-pc-review.html

this is a long multi page review, but is worth reading as it shows great promise for the future



Post PC computing, how much less expensive did you say?    

This is a $149 full Windows 8.1 desktop computer.   It comes with full legal Win 8.1, not a trial version.

"Chinese device maker Mele first caught my attention nearly 3 years ago when the company launched a TV box that could serve double duty as a little Linux PC. The company continues to offer a range of products including TV boxes with ARM chips and Android software.

But now they've also branched out into true PC territory.

The Mele PCG03 is a small, low-power computer with an Intel Atom processor and Windows 8.1 with Bing software. It’s available from Amazon for $199 or from AliExpress for as little as $149."


And it isn't totally shabby either -- it is faster than my old AMD white box computer used to be.   It supports VGA monitors and HDMI monitors, so it will run off of what you got already.    Supports 1080p streaming, etc.   Totally fast, no -- but really not that shabby.  

Think of it as a ChromeBox competitor and you got the right idea.

Perfectly usable as a wife/grandma computer, for example.    Get them a good sized SD card or get them a USB hard drive or actually use one of the HD connectors inside the case.

(this is a video, so double click on the link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ZuyMDqkNU&t=394

$149 mindblow time ..... the processor and memory are on a daughter card so the system is UPGRADABLE when a better processor comes out.    This is good, because that better stuff is on the way right now as we speak.



Verdict

"With Intel’s next-gen low-power chips based on Cherry Trail and Braswell architecture on the way, it’s tough to recommend spending $150 to $200 on a mini PC with a Bay Trail chip.   Wait a bit and get the better hardware for about the same price, along with the then released Win 10 software."

Smiley     .......  change, she comes  .....
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Reply #221 - 03/14/15 at 13:09:03
 



Do you remember over two years ago when I first showed this predictive graph?   It was seen as wild speculation back then and was hoo hawed at considerably by the then "Intel friendly" PC press people.

Let's see if it has held up to reality at all over the last 3 years .....  

First discrepancy is that the graph totally underestimated the effect of Chromebooks by a factor of about 6x.

Second discrepancy is the MS support of ARM is coming a year sooner than predicted.   This does not mean Intel will disappear, which was inferred by the verbiage below the original graph earlier on.    There never was an Intel line drawn on the chart for Intel rolling over to Android or ARM because that was never ever seen as even a remote possibility two years ago.   I think we can all see that it is a reality today.

Apple jumping ship to ARM has already happened on everything but the high end Mac name brand products, and when that happens it will likely be a partial affair at first with lower end laptops going first for a year or so before the desktop products go.   So this line is past already or is about now, take your pick.  

No one ever foresaw the Apple Desktop unit line as simply stopping, which may actually be what happens in the end.

Intel has done literally anything and everything to hold on so far (including 8 billions blown on contra revenue spending) and I expect that anything and everything will continue as they are now trying to 'name brand' ARM processors from people like Spreadtrum, Rockchip and Mediatek as their own products.  

Nastier newer tactics (like bribing Rockchip and Mediatek to NOT launch products that would clean Intel's clock --- or else to let Intel name brand the new products from the get go as 'Intel Inside') are also likely to continue as well.   Anything and everything to hold on means exactly that and Intel is certainly proven capable of lying to stockholders and hiding their adverse financials by restructuring during a year's end roll up, etc. etc.

But functionally, the current state of domestic Intel production of competitive products against ARM is very shaky at best and the placement of the line on the graph could be argued to have already taken place at the Spreadtrum/Rockchip SoPHIA point in time (which has already taken place. BTW).  

Or now, since Intel has just OFFICIALLY restructured their entire line to actually include a few competitor built products as name branded Intel products ......

Or we could wait until Broadwell fails, which will be soon enough as Intel itself will have better products out by year's end.   Or we can stall until Skylake and Cannonlake have their turns before calling the shot.   It doesn't matter since PC itself suddenly seems to be dying out in whole sections of the globe now and THAT CHANGE may will be what sunsets Intel the quickest.

My gut is that the conflict line has just kept shifting, from mobile, then to tablet, then to Chromespace, soon to laptop and each new shift is a new continuance of the Intel struggle.   At the laptop conflict level or stage Intel won't have enough cash cows left to milk, so the contra revenue will have to stop and the speed or rate of fail will go up accordingly.

In fact, Intel will eventually become just a name brand loosely attached to a legacy foundry function that they will eventually have to sell shares in before it is all over.   Intel will never actually die, they will simply become an HP, reselling other people's products.   Or somebody else will buy the Intel brand name so they can go abuse it some in new and creative ways.

Or until the Chinese government steps in and simply stops some of the silly arsed Intel games as "actions in restraint of trade" ...... which could end Intel overnight as more and more of "Intel" comes from TSMC, Rockchip and Spreadtrum (actually based off of ARM standard designs and Mali and/or VR Graphics IP).

Always remember, both Intel and MS are considered "provisional, on good behavior" right now with the Chinese Government.   Their presence in China could end instantly upon a single serious infraction (serious in the eyes of China that is).
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Reply #222 - 03/14/15 at 23:25:25
 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2940035/Rumours-pond-Apple...

"Buyers nibbled away amid rumours from across the Pond that technology giant Apple plans to acquire a strategic stake in the Cambridge-based firm to avert a possible predatory move on ARM from rival Intel."

Intel just tried to buy itself into ARM Holdings in a significant fashion by buying shares on the open market.  

The attempt was instantly squashed by Apple, who protected their 30+ percent share in ARM Holdings by snapping up all available shares on the stock market until the price rose up to the point Intel could no longer play their silly buggers games with it.

"Anything and everything to hold on" -- that isn't just words to Intel right now.  

I wonder just how far Intel is willing to go .....  

Hire some key people away from ARM as a disruptor?    

Arrange a few car accidents for a few of the ones who remain at ARM?    

Just how far is Intel willing to go?   How far will fear drive desperate actions?

"Demand for Apple products hit an all-time high with record sales of iPhones and tablets. If Apple is trading its socks off, ARM must be too and the UK company should receive a further boost over the next couple of years as Apple is planning to remove Intel Corporation from its supply chain.

ARM this week unveiled a new processor blueprint with better computing performance and beefed-up graphics for smartphones and tablets to be launched next year.  It says the processor has 3.5 times the performance of comparable chips from 2014, meaning a 75 per cent reduction in energy use, cutting battery drain on smartphones."



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There is no doubt that now Intel feels threatened at a very basic level by the next generation of 3.5 TIMES MORE POWERFUL ARM designed SOCs, due to the new MUCH higher processor power and MUCH higher graphics power that comes with Cortex A72 --- with the new SOCs actually being on a Core i5 processing throughput level at MUCH lower energy consumption levels --- and that means every hockey stick carrying johnny out there is going to become a direct Intel level competitor/supplier to Chrome Space and Laptop Space.

Intel knows what happens when the hockey stick boys come into their neighborhood and start them up a rough game of stick ball.   Intel literally won't be fast enough to even know who just smacked them in the shins or punched them in the balls, much less who whacked them in back of the head.

To disrupt that happening means stopping the ARM rollouts somehow .....   and you can count the ways that can happen by watching Intel try them all one by one by one.

Lawyers are next,  I suspect.    I suspect Intel will also try to get MS to NOT SUPPORT ARM CHIPSETS with Win 10 by any and all means, legal, fair or underhanded & foul.    Intel knows if MS supports a level playing field with ARM chipsets being supported by Win 10 it is all over but the shouting for Intel.

Intel spent over 8 billion dollars last year in their efforts to survive .... do you think they might get serious about it now?
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Reply #223 - 03/15/15 at 15:08:32
 

http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/789783-enterprise-so...

What is this?    GitHub is where you go to get your open source softwares to do some sort of a government implementation.



So, what does this mean?

Open source is becoming more and more utilized in government functions.   It is a leading indicator of change.

Since nobody "buys" open source software it is hard to put out sales numbers to compare against sales figures put out by say MS or Intel.   If you consider going to GitHub to go get some open source stuff to implement as a "sale" then you have some sort of number to compare against.

Of course MS will crow that they made a lot more money off their sale than you did, but that's OK.  

They really still don't get it, but that's ok too.

You can just smile back at MS and just say .....

"Actually, we were just tracking the number of brand new systems installer people who just now realized that you are a completely unnecessary expense going on out into their future ......"



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Reply #224 - 03/15/15 at 16:42:51
 

http://chinamobilemag.com/mediatek-mt8173-worlds-first-arm-cortex-a72-soc-ava...

Mediatek MT8173: Worlds First ARM Cortex A72 SoC Available Now

"It hasn’t been too long ago since ARM launched the Cortex A72 architecture. Shortly after, Mediatek and Qualcomm both announced phone chipsets based on this architecture by the end of 2015 or early 2016. The ARM Cortex A72 architecture is supposed to push ARM processors up to the performance of x86 desktop processors while reducing energy consumption by up to 50%, enabling even longer battery life of mobile devices.

But now everything seems to be going quicker than expected, at least for Mediatek. Once again the fabless chip maker from Taiwan demonstrates what they are able to do and leave Qualcomm behind again after the success with their 64-bit SoCs. This is being done by the launch of the MT8173 chipset for tablet PCs.

This SoC is a big.LITTLE quad-core SoC based on two ARM Cortex A53 and two ARM Cortex 72 cores, thus fully supporting 64-bit. The maximum clock this SoC can reach is 2.4GHz, which is the record for MTK SoCs to date. For graphics the SoC is using a PowerVR GX6250 GPU, which offers support for screens at up to 2,560 x 1,600 pixels at a refreshing rate of 120Hz.

What’s more, support for media contents has been beefed up a lot. The chipset does support 4k videos at 30fps with codecs being H.264, HEVC and even VP9. Copyright technology HDCP 2.2 is supported as well not only for HDMI but for Widevine Level 1 and Miracast as well. The SoC furthermore is able to drive 20 mega pixel cameras with Face Beautify and LOMO effects on-the-fly.

According to Mediatek, the MT8173 is available for customers now, which means that we will see first tablets based on this chipset in summer, along with Lollipop of course.

What’s yet to be seen is how well Mediatek will compete with Rockchip and Allwinner, but chances are good we will see more Mediatek-based high-end tablets popping up from China now. We at ChinaMobileMag certainly look forward to the first benchmark results."


Mediatek has already stated they are in development with Google on a Chromebook.

Intel is already sniffing after Mediatek to PLEASE let Intel name brand their A72 chipset exclusively and have exclusive sales rights to Mediatek's new A72 SOC, the one ARM processor that could put Intel out of the Chromebook business starting next year.

Ooops, there is a flaw in that Intel think'n though .....

Intel, please don't forget about Allwinner, who will not announce anything ever unless is has already shipping at wholesale in a completed product.   Allwinner is in this game too.

And Qualcomm has two of these in the pipeline as well.    Ditto for Samsung, who already does Chromebooks and Chromeboxes and who has more functional 14nm lines than you do.

You can't possibly bribe all the hockey stick boys and Qualcomm and Samsung to ignore the chance to drum you completely out of a market segment like Chromebooks --- at least two or three of them will be willing to go whack you in the head (or some other, somewhat more tender body part) even if you do bribe one of them.

What you should go do is go make a better Chromebook product and sell it for the same or less money having some profit margin left over to give to your share holders.  

You know, "compete on the merits of your product"?

What ??  

It's been so durn long now you done forgot how ????


Man .....         Tongue


"The ARM Cortex A72 architecture is supposed to push ARM processors up to the performance of x86 desktop processors while reducing energy consumption by up to 50%, enabling even longer battery life."

.... and you got 3-4 of them headed your way, plus the Tegra X1 coming from Nvidia having already shipped it already in a product?  You is facing a whole crowd of properly ARM'd people this time instead of jest one lone underarmed CISC firing AMD gunman.  

What shall you do ?

Intel's big 4% performance hike they say they got out of Broadwell just isn't going to cut it for this fall --- (especially since Lenovo says that their actual 4% Broadwell number was actually a -4% number and not a positive number at all).

14nm Skylake must come out ASAP machine gun style and Skylake MUST yield really really good improvements or else Intel is just going to die on the vine at their new 14nm lithography level -- wiped out by a whole wave of lower cost 20nm and 16nm new stock ARM SOC designs that do show some very good improvements.

Wink     .... looks like Intel is facing a cross fire situation and they are late pulling their main gun.   Best make that weapon a good 'un.  

Needs to be downright magical.


Intel, you old magician you,

it is rabbit out of hat time again ......

Can you do it?
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