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Reply #150 - 12/05/14 at 05:06:24
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/12/google-chrome-gains-better-offline-app-support-...

"Service workers allow web apps to intercept network requests and reply with cached data or other responses that don’t require an internet connection.

What makes service workers different from some other tools that allow web apps to work offline is that they can function even after you close a web page.

This allows them to run as background services, offering push notifications, background sync, or other capabilities, particularly on a mobile device where a user gives an app permission to run in the background.

Not only will service workers allow some web apps to work like native apps whether your phone, tablet, or other device is online or not, but it can also speed up the loading of some web apps even when you are online."



Google likes to work magic, like giving GPS-less iPad 2 units Google voice actuated GPS functions when the unit has no voice and it has no GPS chip.

Wink      It tickles their techie egos to no end to go do things you just simply can't do.

So, Google guys have figured out how to get on-line apps to think they are on line even when you have dropped out of signal range and do not have a signal.

It involves mirror/buffering all on-line data flow into relatively large fast memory cache and keeping it there until it is replaced with new data from the wifi or cellular data flow.   Now how is this different from a normal cache?   It is responding FASTER than ever before and is is LARGER, more all encompassing and it persists even when the device power is cut off.

Why is this important?     It means your phone is preloading all the new stuff for you in the background while you are doing something else.   Your device is always "on-line" even if it it is disconnected.

This is a really BIG performance improvement, much more so than you might think at first blush.

This is a video, just click on it      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px-J9Ghvcx4

Phones that don't drop off line when a slight glitch happens.   Browsing that continues to work when you go out of range for a few seconds when driving along.   Apps that work when the signal drops, continuing to work taking and giving data to the app data in the Cache until the connection comes back.   Note: phone calls will still see a glitch when the person's verbal response doesn't come, but all other forms of use won't see a lot of flaws in this new form of buffering.

Why NOW?   MS and Intel are fighting back price-wise and it is a flaw in Chromebooks that needs to be fixed to keep Chrome competitive.   Same tricks work across the board, so across the board they go, for free no less.

What becomes more & more possible with this already released Chrome version 40 trick?  

The new class of wifi first phones from T Mobile and Republic Wireless now have a natural support system integral to the phone OS to do the same sort of buffering that that they have done with their own custom software that has allowed them for YEARS to switch back and forth between Wifi and Cell Signal without showing any gaps or glitches to the user.

Yep, them good ideas in open source tend to move around and get adopted and improved and spread and adopted all over the place in venues you never even thought about.

It is all a question of Cache size and speed --- and this stuff is so fast that a person can't tell they got sent to cache for a few seconds, the screen just keeps on painting and the data crunching keeps going in and out without any interruptions.

Needless to say, big stoppages still have to show up in any live activity but games and such can run from the cache until they need a spot of data that simply isn't in the cache.   You know, like loading a new level.

And if you were using a spreadsheet or a word processor you'd never see the break as your saves are saved  (into the cache) and they get sent to cloud memory as soon as the connection comes back.

The Cache is large and smart and it buffers its older data automatically to your fixed memory to make sure you have fast memory free to handle current activities.


This is a new use for an old idea, one that will allow phones, tablets and Chromebooks to offer much more seamless off-line activities, especially in the new lower cost, mixed source wifi-first world of phones and tablets and such which is happening as we watch.

It will serve to further lower the general cost of cell services, since you aren't totally dependency locked into a carrier's data plan speeds when you use these mixed style services.    Plus, much cheaper lower speed 3-G cellular services tend to offer the exact same lightning fast service speed from the big Cache as a much more expensive 4-G service would do.

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              Change, she comes .......  think of it as giving all those extra ARM cores something useful to do with themselves in the mean times.

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Reply #151 - 12/05/14 at 09:44:01
 




And, as always, when Google releases a real something of significance that will change and improve things a lot for real, right now ---  the very next day Intel bends over, grunts and releases a massive blast of far far future brown smelly vapor to take everyone's mind off of the real stuff Google just really did for actual factual real.

..... and here it is, 10nm CannonLake, (or SilverMont as renamed in all of a hurry) just so Intel could do something, anything, real real fast to get your attention off Google ....

http://wccftech.com/intels-cannonlake-10nm-microarchitecture-due-2016-compati...

"The successor to Skylake has been codenamed Cannonlake (previously known as Skymont), will feature a 10nm process die and the architecture of Skylake before it resulting in a more power efficient design. The Cannonlake platform will be known as Union Bay and would include the Union Point 200-Series chipset which will replace the Sunrise Point 100-Series chipset (Z170 on desktop platform). The same platform will be available on notebook and Ultrabook platforms. Little is known regarding Cannonlake at the moment and we might not even get to see it in action until IDF 2015 while launch is planned sometime in 2016".

So, remember, Cannonlake on Union Point -- sounds like a Civil War naval battleground scene, right ?   Don't worry, it will change names twice at least before it actually gets here.

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Speaking of Sophia, did it ever get real or get renamed or is it still lurking out there somewhere in brown vapor land ????
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Reply #152 - 12/05/14 at 12:28:59
 
Well here is my review of the RCA PRO 10.1 tablet/w keyboard, that I "re-purchased".
The original PRO 10 would not work correctly when plugged into a device to transfer data. So I turned it back into WallyWorld and got my money back.
I then got online and ordered the updated PRO 10.1, which works great and was $59 less! So I used the savings to buy an adapter for a mouse...yup a mouse works with a tablet! and a 32gig memory chip for extended memory (it comes with 16gig on the tablet).

Here is the web site info:
http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=rca%20&cat_id=3944

Ack! it jumped up to $119, oh well sorry....

Here is the link to my review.... don't laugh at me.... laugh with me  Grin



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Reply #153 - 12/19/14 at 06:00:40
 

Well, the phone wars and tablet wars and Chrome Wars continue endlessly with more new products becoming available from more sources.

Intel has suffered 4-6 BILLION dollar losses in tablet space and has just about completely failed to arrive in phone space once again this year.   What has Intel gained this year?   They paid $100 per chip moved to get 45 million tablet chipsets pushed into the Chinese device generation flow, but were NOT able to make the tablet devices appealing to the Chinese purchasers once they were built.

Intel has axed the head of their Mobile Division and rolled the Mobile Division into the PC Division to hide their further losses.    This restructuring was to keep the stockholders happy, since they are currently quite unhappy with the squandering of 4-6 BILLION dollars of "my dam'd money".

What has Intel done well?   In their very serious attempts to make some useable mobile processors they actually have made some pretty nifty laptop and small PC box processors that were quickly picked up and used by the new class of $200 computer products.   Intel is getting closer and closer to the mark and likely will arrive in 2015 with some very competitive laptop/PC processors that will still have to be sold at a loss to be competitive to the ARM offerings.

ARM still keeps the RISC advantage and is still throughput competitive against Intel's CISC processors while being several lithography levels larger and thusly cheaper to build.   ARM chipsets are becoming increasingly dominant in all spaces up through laptop space.  ARM competed directly against Intel in the Chromespace (lowest end of laptop/PC space) but Intel is still maintaining their hold on that space by "Contra Revenue" (ie pushing their bigger, less energy efficient, more brutally powerful chipsets into bottom end units by the simple means of "whatever it takes bribe or discount wise".    

The value of what you can buy for $200-250 in Chromespace is flat amazing right now.   Next year it will get better as the cooling fans disappear and heat sinks can do the full job of passive fanless cooling.

Intel will continue to try try try try again with new chip designs, showing an absolute determination to keep at it until they finally succeed.    Intel needs to strive to keep up profitability in the PC side of things since they are still expending 25-30% of that PC profitability trying to buy a future pathway into China and into tablet and phone space.   Regrouping and dropping the big Intel mobile push would only buy Intel one additional year of full profitability before ARM parks itself right on top of their laptop/desktop turf.


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Microsoft is try try trying again and again to make a decent OS product out of Win 10.   They are seeking and getting feedback from their trial users, and they are getting it in very blunt terms.    

Microsoft is also experimenting with their proposed ongoing update system of monthly 100% forced updates and are finding that users greatly resent a poorly executed update and a series of two bad ones in a row drives the users into a froth.

Microsoft now plans for Win 10 to come out in the fall of next year instead of the spring.    There has been no exposure of Win 10 for mobile at this time, although something on that subject is expected to be shown at COMDEX this spring.   It didn't -- absolutely nothing was announced and nothing took place.


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Google has mostly completed their take over of Education and is now focusing on putting Chromebooks and Chromeboxes into Business.    Chrome and Android are run by the same people now and movements are now seen towards "complementary function".    

Chromebooks can run all Android 5.0 offline apps and Chromebooks now use a caching system that allows the Chromebook to run off the cache if the Wifi signal drops off.    Secondary benefit of the big cache is that the cache updates "ahead" and can have what the user needs next already sitting there in cache for instant delivery when the user calls for it.   Throughput has actually increased and the need for an "interruption free" modern very rapid Wifi connection has decreased accordingly.  

ChromeOS is becoming more of a robust system going into next year.   ChromeOS does use either ARM or Intel processors, which right now Microsoft does not do.    Microsoft needs to fix this ASAP or the processor wars will start to kill them if they can only run on one side of the warring processor type equation.
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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #154 - 12/19/14 at 06:58:49
 

Smile, this is a joke --- right?    I mean, yes Intel is floundering and yes to Apple's big wallet Intel is "affordable" right now and yes at one stroke MS and the CISC PC industry would go down the tubes, but do you really think the anti-trust guys would ever let it happen?

Not right now, but after a few more years of shrinkit ization maybe it might could possibly be a "possibility".

Especially after MS Win 10 will really run well on ARM chipsets .....



http://www.mondaynote.com/archive/archives.php?t=apple-buys-intel
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Reply #155 - 12/19/14 at 08:38:45
 

 Click here       http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/mobile

OK,  this one has to be clicked upon and actually looked at ........        

Why look at it?   It shows a current 2014 ranking of Intel vs ARM offerings performance-wise on real, already released products.

AND IT SHOWS TEGRA K1 AND APPLE A-8X SNEAKING IN BETWEEN THE INTEL CORE i-3 AND CORE i-5 CHIPSETS IN THE PERFORMANCE RANKING RIGHT NOW --  REMEMBER, THESE ARE CURRENT PRODUCTION PRODUCTS.

It also shows the very newest general release of phone superchips from ARM sprinkling themselves in through the low end of the Intel Core i-3 group.


=======================    what about next year ????


Intel already has a problem with the current already under production FOUR CYCLONE CORE equipped 14nm Apple A-9 chipset actually being plenty good enough for a low end Apple laptop since it will definitely lap on up deep into the Intel Core i-5 rankings.

ARM's next generation of phone superchips will also breach up into the low Core i5 range, leaving all of the Intel Core i3 space facing direct ARM competition.

IF (and it is a really big IF)  Microsoft finally manages their phone/tablet/laptop/PC same same Win 10  OS in 2015, then Intel is in trouble from real general "home turf" PC competition from both Apple and ARM in general.



Wink         ...... change, she comes yet again next year as Intel has to begin doing "contra revenue" on their old cash cow PC space.   Turn enough of Intel's cash cows into "contra revenue rat holes" and Intel as a whole starts to get shaky.
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Reply #156 - 12/28/14 at 08:58:54
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/12/crouton-chromebooks-run-ubuntu-browser-tab.html

Crouton for Chromebooks: Run Ubuntu in a browser tab


This was predicted, that other OS systems would find ways to integrate and run on Chrome natively.   The Crouton script has been refined now to allow Crouton to show up as an clickable icon and run inside a browser tab on Chrome OS, so that fully integrated state has arrived for Linux.

This is the first fully internalized implementation of this idea, so as Google accepts the concept and integrates with it there will be a FOSS tool provided to do this with other forms of softwares.

While MS as a whole is still vehemently competing with Chrome, the Office portion of the company has quietly put out an Office version for Apple iOS and now Office is a natural Apple software member.  

MS now has Office out in the Chrome store as well ......

Once Office moves to Chrome, then the last barriers to Chrome begin to disappear .....  

http://betanews.com/2014/04/14/microsoft-office-comes-to-googles-chrome-os-no...

Citrix and other intranet integrators are moving to provide secure Office on Chromebooks/boxes for Big Business, something they can do since MS has provided the hooks by putting their own version out on the web.

Anyway, in 2015 MS will release their Win 10 which needs to be good enough to take back all the areas that have been penetrated by Chrome OS.

To do this, Win 10 has to change to incorporate many of the advantages of Chrome as far as light, fast and totally trouble and maintenance free goes.




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       ...... so far we don't see it really happening for much at this point in time.    So far we see a Win 10 Beta as a porky piglet of an OS that crams ugly updates up yer butt willy nilly without giving you any recourse to push the occasional poisonous update back out again.    And you will get charged a yearly fee for using this anal retentive piglet OS after all the "free upgrade" smoke and mirrors die down sometimes in 2016.

Meanwhile, Chrome has become a full service general purpose OS now, widening to incorporate all of Chrome, all of Android, all of Linux and all the very the best payme softwares of PC including AutoCad and Adobe Photoshop.

Chromebooks and boxes sell all day between $200 and $400, while making a real profit in doing so.  

So far anything from Wintel that competes in the lower half of this range has to cost somebody some significant contra revenue just to get the price down that low.  

Say, about $100 of contra revenue paid out by Intel on the processor itself and Microsoft has to give the porky piglet OS away for free ......


Hey, Windows could still make a comeback, really.        Undecided

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Reply #157 - 01/12/15 at 21:08:27
 

Honesty Time

Microsoft is staging a bit of a raw numbers come back based upon MS giving away Win 8.1 for free.  

It is real, it is reflected in the sales numbers and MS is doing it on purpose so it is a "successful ploy" that is indeed showing some numberical turn around effects.    Microsoft IS gaining market share in the Orient based upon Intel's taping money to each chipset and Microsoft giving the OS away completely for free.

Question becomes, how long can they continue doing it?   Here is Gartner's prediction for the current trends when extended over the next several years.

(yes -- predictions are always suspect, we know)

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Reply #158 - 01/13/15 at 09:39:16
 
 
There are no rolled up numbers for 2014 for Chromebook sales vs Chromebook killer sales just yet.   Chromebook killers will get lumped in with Windows Laptops and they they just show as part of the small general increase in Windows device sales.

Here are the start figures from 2013 so you have a good well defined spot to start from.  

I think we can say 2013 was the definitive year of the Chromebook since in 2014 Microsoft and Intel started giving things away for free just so as to stop losing all their market share.

2014 will be noted as the YEAR EVERYTHING GOT CHEAP.        Grin

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Reply #159 - 01/14/15 at 07:28:23
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/compulab-fitlit-small-fanless-amd-mullins-pc-fo...

CompuLab Fitlet: Small, fanless AMD Mullins PC for Linux, Windows

One of last years predictions has become true.    I said that the cheap price supported Win 8.1 boxes coming from the orient would give rise to cheap price supported Linux boxes.   So far Intel themselves are selling a Linux stick and here comes my favorite, Linux Mint as sold by Compulab and swinging the AMD Mullens and two better more powerful AMD chipsets.  

Prices start at $129 and you configure storage and systems memory to suit yourself.

More like this are coming, since the small price supported Intel and some very inexpensive AMD processors are out there and demand for Linux machines (directly configured) has risen to ~ 4%  to 5% of "total computer sales".



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Reply #160 - 01/14/15 at 08:23:19
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/pc-market-shows-signs-recovery.html

PC market shows signs of recovery ???   ..... or not as the case may be





Two views from two different tracking companies, one saying very mild improvement and the other saying just a reduction in the 4-6% historical shrinkage percentage.

If you are looking for the Far Eastern numbers, it is lumped in with "Others" and Others took a big hit this past year in both cases.

Since both Intel and MS are throwing as much money at it as they can (and the net differential is in the same range as the uptick in Linux overall) I would say the Wintel boys are simply not getting their money's worth out of their contra-revenue efforts.

Unless you pause and consider how truly bad these numbers would have been if both Intel and MS hadn't shoveled the big $$$ endlessly at it like they did .....  

You could say that they were successful in counteracting the Chromebook bleeding which hit a high of 21% of notebook sales in 2013.

It is bad to note that at $100 per chip rate of contra revenue dollars and the giving away of FREE WIN 8.1 Intel just managed to sell 45 million "tablet chipsets" (many of which went quietly astray into linux boxes of various types) with MS just managing to sell a few $29 semi-dumb cell phones into India.

If you believe either of these new sets of released sell through numbers, the production numbers vs sell through indicates that many of these $100 on top chipsets and free OS'd items that were produced are still sitting in somebody's warehouse because nobody wants to buy them.

Intel is frantically trying to connect with some new chipsets and MS is frantically trying to make up a good Win 10 ..... at least they know where they are right now and are frantically trying to do SOMETHING about it.

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Both MS and Intel will declare a profit for the year, although Intel had to reorganize itself again to hide the mobile losses and fired another divisional manager as the goat ....

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Reply #161 - 01/14/15 at 10:04:18
 

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12924618/1/why-soaring-chromebook-sales-are-gr...

ABI Research is a renown research firm that has been contracted by all the players at various times to get answers for questions that right now have no data.

This is a graph that could have been contracted by MS to answer the question "If we do not stop it now, where will Chromebooks go in the next 5 years"?

The answer to this query explains why MS and Intel will continue to throw money at Chromespace endlessly to stop the following from happening.

This also explains why NO CURRENT DATA is currently forthcoming on the Chromewars -- it looks bad for MS and they will do anything to stop the current numbers from becoming widely known as it could affect their stock prices.  

MS as a founding member and large contributing player has already asked all the analysis and reporting companies to ONLY REPORT MS SALES IN AGGREGATE, in other words to no longer track MS's individual sectors for comparison purposes against MS's competitiors.    MS will no longer give out any separate divisional numbers any more.

In other words, MS is spending some $ and attention to keep the Chrome Wars data from becoming available ......

Rest assured Google is still working on their business initiatives and education initiatives and that country specific Chromebook pushes are taking place as we speak.

Each year that a successful Windows 10 fails to appear more and more large erosion takes place in MS's hold on the market.   "According to new quarterly data from ABI Research, Chromebook shipments increased by 67% quarter-over-quarter and are now projected to double in size year-over year."  

Do you understand what doubling year over year means after a few years go by?

This is an ominous quote from the article as listed above " In emerging markets, especially in Asia-Pacific and Eastern Europe, business-purchasing entities account for 75% of Chromebook sales in the region."  

This indicates that Google's Big Business push in the USA is having effects far far afield as Google pulls together all the business integration systems needed to make their package appealing to US Big Business.

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Reply #162 - 01/14/15 at 23:09:10
 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-DGB-38336

Executive Change Is Latest Hint of Chrome-Android Marriage

Here is the latest management merger between Android and ChromeOS as reported by the Wall Street Journal -- now merger is taking place at the immediate software engineering manager level.   So the two OS systems are merged now at the general management level and now at the software engineering management level.

"Hiroshi Lockheimer, Google’s vice president of engineering for its Android mobile-operating system, is now also overseeing the engineering team behind Google’s Chrome operating system, which primarily powers personal computers, according to two people familiar with the matter.

In choosing Lockheimer to lead engineering for Chrome as well as Android, Pichai is signaling to his teams that Android is the future, according to a person familiar with the personnel change.

That reflects the two systems’ strength in the market. Android powered 85% of the smartphones shipped in the second quarter, according to Strategy Analytics. Google’s existing line of cheap Chromebook laptops are popular in schools, but captured just 2% of the worldwide personal computer market in the second quarter, according to IDC.

Android has begun to branch out beyond smartphones and tablets. The latest version of the Android operating system — known as “Lollipop” — will also power in-dash car computers, wearable devices like smart watches, and also televisions."


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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2413071,00.asp

The Best Chromebooks    Please look at the editor's ratings and the prices as shown at Amazon -- they are saying you can get a whole lot of good stuff for your ~ $250 -$300 Chromebook purchase price.

And as the software matures and gets better and better the overall value of the ~ $250 -$300 Chromebook keeps getting better and better.

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Reply #163 - 01/14/15 at 23:53:52
 

As Nvidia and AMD release their year's end financial numbers their stock prices are tanking.

Then they both jumped up A BUNCH on their sagging stock prices on rumors of other, larger more successful competitors/companies wanting to pick them up as an outright stock based purchase while they could be bought for a quietly hummed song.

And we are not talking Intel being the only potential one doing the buying (Intel isn't in great shape right now either).

Cash rich Qualcomm and Samsung are touted as potential buyers for Nvidia (seeking current state of the art patents and IP more than anything else).
Samsung just took a swipe at buying Blackberry, but was rebuffed.

Sadly, no one seems to want to buy out AMD/ATI's similarly large IP at the moment since the same ARM blender that is slowly chewing the legs off of Intel has already just about finished off AMD completely.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2224840/amd-hires-jp-morgan-to-find-...
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Reply #164 - 01/15/15 at 08:33:21
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/01/mintbox-mini-compact-linux-mint-pc-coming-soon-...

If anyone has been noticing, the price of retail Linux computers has been dropping from the PC range down to the Chromebox range, from $800 down to $500 and now down to $279.



This was predicted last year and has indeed come to pass, so I felt all gratified.   Then curiosity struck and I wanted to see what Ebay had to say on the old decrepit original version of the original Asus chromeboxes, had they become killing cheap as they dribbled off the face of technological earth ....

What I found was AMAZING -- there ARE NONE AVAILABLE FOR SALE.   There are little businesses buying them all up as soon as they become available.

And here is why --- this ebay dude is one of several budding businessmen converting the Asus Chromebox into full bore Linux machines (and he will also do you a Win 8.1 version if you send him the OS verification that you actually own the software).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chromebox-OS-Upgrade-Linux-Mint-17-1-Asus-M004U-HP-Ch...


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