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Reply #15 - 06/27/14 at 16:23:06
 
  "   ... RIDE A BIKE To Get LAID ..."

Love it when I am in a bar, sipping a cold one, and the 'ALL LEATHER'  "PEOPLE", come in.   "Expecting Something"    LLOLOOLOLO

Couple of years ago, I was on my  Yamaha, XT-225, at a gas station.
I was standing their minding my own business, putting in 2 gal of Non-Oxy gas in.
When in came a dozen,  'HOG', riders. (From the local bar across the steet).
All in the 50's, all wearing, Leathers, (that probably cost more than the bikes. Right down to the 'CHAIN', boots)  And all with, 'Dew' rags.    The 'fellow', next to me on the pump said: " What ya doing with that little pip-of a MC.".
I put my gas tank cover on. Walked up to him,  (Belly to Belly), and said: (In a LOUD  Voice)
"I Didn't Know I Needed, YOUR, Fe'n Permission to Buy a Fe'n  Motorcycle".  
The rest of his group, all, laughed.

I went in and paid.   The, 'Hog', riders all paid at the pump,
(for 2-3 gal of gas with their CC's)
When I walked out, the last of them were, 'roaring' out of the gas station!!!!!

When riding down the, 'Big'  State HWY.  (No Super Slabs close),
Always get the,  Down 'V', wave from 90% of the 'Metric' riders.
20%, from the, 'Harley', Riders.  and .001%  from the 'Crotch Rockets', riders.

A While after that, I went to a, 'Party', to honor a friend, who had just passed, (Agent Orange).  Went their with the  'Little'  XT-225.  Their were 30,000.00 - 40,000.00   DELUXE   TOT-LAY Custom bikes their.
(Assume  Eye-Candy).  
Not a WORD was spoken, about, what one came their with !!!!!!

To ETO,  and YMMV.
(Each to Own - Your Millage may very)
As said many times , by very experienced people, on this forum !

Gust gotta say:   "... Getting Laid, cause you got a MC..."
Talk about:   "Mid Life Crises"  Grin Grin Grin Grin



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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
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Reply #16 - 06/30/14 at 22:09:32
 
LOL! well a center stand motorcycle in a wooded area with no one around, is a fun place to get laid! Shocked Shocked
She talked about it with her "group of girls", and I had fun three more times...with different girls from the group! Grin Grin Grin
Was an old boyscout camp off of a two lane blacktop outside town a few miles. We would go camping there a few times each year, some times we would take a riding mower out there an mow it out to make camping less buggy.
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Reply #17 - 07/01/14 at 02:03:13
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/22/14 at 15:51:37:
mpescatori wrote on 06/22/14 at 14:15:20:
Don't insult my intelligence !
I don't need a helmet !
I'm smarter than you folks and a LOT better driver/rider !
No helmet, right ? Civil liberties and all that... yuh, right...


Mpescatori.  

I believe you completely missed the point.
This is not about, "to, or not to", wear a helmet.
Their are other places to state your view about that one way or another.

This is about the,  FREEDOM, to CHOOSE.

Personally I wear a helmet, and leather.
(And most probably always will)
That, is  MY  Choice!    NOT  Yours !
Do Not Tell Me, I,  HAVE to.
I have Fire Extinguishers in the house and sheds.
(MY Choice, not yours)
I Have a gun.  (MY Choice, not yours)
I drive defensively, MC or Cage. (MY Choice, not yours)
Etc, Etc, Etc.    ...

It is a FREEDOM or CHOICE.
If someone 'chose' badly, and suffered a horrific accident.
Well then sorry.
But it just cleaned up the gene pool!

   Wait.  No Where, absolutely NO where,
does the, 'government' who issues Driving Licenses,
say: "You Have to drive with your Eyes Open".
So, If I ever get in a accident, Can I SUE the Government,
because, because I say, "I had my eyes closed".
And the Government who issued me a License,
did so, without  EVER saying:
"You Must drive with your eyes open".

  LOL  Grin  Gee how far do you think that will go ?

I see you are from Italy.
What does, Freedom, mean in Italy?



Hello MNSpring, whoever you are...  Roll Eyes

Allow me to reply to your post:

Your "Freedom to choose" stop exactly where your  "The Freedom not to be hurt" starts.
Do you wear shoes when you go out? Really? Why?
I see no prickly thorn bushes littering your streets... what's the point of wasting good money on shoes? Foot protection, maybe ?
No gov't law forcing you to wear shoes.. so why make such a fuss on "Liberty" when there is a law expecting you to wear "head protection" ?

Let me tell you why: because passing a law and enforcing it will cost YOU, the TAXPAYER, less money than it would to pay for YOUR rehabilitation just in case you were to become a vegetable on wheels...
...and I don't care what you think of yourself, how high your self-esteem, the day a drunk/high driver slams into you, you might well think "well, there goes my head..."
...not to mention the uninsured lil'ol'lady from across the street...

At the "ripe old age" of 54, I have been hit enough times and have banged my head more than enough... and regularly got up and slipped off my helmet and told off the other driver...
...not once was I hospitalized - although I did hit my head against the kerb or the pavement every single time.

What does this tell me?
Ancient adage "Experience is the sum of all the times things went wrong and you learned a lesson"
My lessond learned is that you need a helmet just as much as you need shoes for walking.

May I quote from your post:

Quote:
No Where, absolutely NO where,
does the, 'government' who issues Driving Licenses,
say: "You Have to drive with your Eyes Open".
So, If I ever get in a accident, Can I SUE the Government,
because, because I say, "I had my eyes closed".
And the Government who issued me a License,
did so, without  EVER saying:
"You Must drive with your eyes open".


Huh

"Nobody can pass a law saying I must drive with my eyes open"
Yes, they can.
It's the Neurology Ward from your local hospital.
They have nice quiet rooms for you to rest and nice friendly staff with elegant white frocks...
You can talk to the voices in your head for as long as you wish.
Eyes open, eyes closed, Homer Simpson style too...

I dare any Forum member to claim they are perfectly at ease with a lunatic claiming it is his constitutional right to drive through the neighborhood with their eyes closed.
What about the children's safety ???  Huh
Jeez... it is my constitutional right to pepper spray that driver, right? After all, what could you care, your eyes are shut, right ?

Last, my comment on your very poor rhetorical question "What does, Freedom, mean in Italy?"

Let me tell you what Freedom really means.

Freedom means my son can go out and enjoy a pizza with his friends downtown and be safely back at midnight, on public transport, without the fear of being robbed at knifepoint.
(Last night)

Freedom means my wife can do her rounds (she's a family physician) after dark in the winter (that means after 5p.m.) without the fear of being beaten and raped.

Freedom means I can go out to the movies downtown with my family, have a burger at the Hard Rock Cafe and walk back to the car without the fear of meeting the local neighborhood gang (there isn't one)
and without the fear of finding my car stolen or even the window smashed.

Freedom means I have no fear for that odd noise coming from the living room at 3 a.m., because burglary rates and petty crime in Italy are eons better than in the US.

Freedom means we do not have road rage drive-by shootings.

Freedom means I can go to my doctor or to hospital for treatment regardless of my social position or how well I earn, because the Constitution says I am entitled to good health and proper medical treatment.

Freedom means I do not have to sport a foreign flag when I go out to a foreign Country as a tourist, Italy has not started a war since 1939...
...nor do we support puppet governments which are sooo popular with the locals.
I do not have to "pretend I'm somebody else" and ... nobody hates the "Italian infidel".

Freedom means that WE are not afraid of ourselves because our military missions overseas open schools and hospitals, not jailhouses.

We don't create problems, we solve them.
We don't harrass the local population, we help them.
OUR flag is synonimous to "safe haven".
We don't need private contractors to do the dirty work.


Freedom means that when our veterans return home they are NOT in fear of losing their job, because we don't fire our veterans, we make the most of them as veterans training the younger soldiers.

Italy boasts among the lowest casualty rates in Afghanistan, in Somalia, and in Iraq, as long as we were there.
Certainly not because we are in "low intensity" areas, but because we evidently have good negotiation skills and [b]we keep our word
.

Any time you wish to come and visit, do not worry with your personal safety.
You are safer here, walking the streets at night, than you are in broad daylight walking the halls of your local high school.

Your call.


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Reply #18 - 07/01/14 at 05:26:36
 
Let me tell you why: because passing a law and enforcing it will cost YOU, the TAXPAYER, less money than it would to pay for YOUR rehabilitation just in case you were to become a vegetable on wheels...

All riders need to clearly understand the dangers of mpes's argument, especially during these Obama days we are living in, where the slightest opening is all Uncle Sam needs to control yet more of our lives.

The argument by helmet nazis that helmet laws save taxpayers money is a slippery slope all two wheelers should avoid. By this same logic, many cagers push for more regulations against motorcyclist in general. We had a recent mini-bike park construction plan stopped in part because "uninsured kids could be injured and all taxpayers would foot the bill."

Don't fall for this. Don't let helmet-nazis inadvertently allow a foot in the door.... You want to wear ATGATT, fine, go ahead. You want to ride around with a bandana tied around your head, fine, go ahead. But don't get on a soapbox and preach your view safety to everyone else and definitely don't bring the taxpayer argument into it.
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Reply #19 - 07/01/14 at 14:16:03
 
Mpescatori.  Said:
... Let me tell you why: because passing a law and enforcing it will cost YOU, the TAXPAYER, less money than it would to pay for YOUR rehabilitation just in case you were to become a vegetable on wheels...


Again you completely missed the point.  And the above statement, you made, tells it all.  
It is clear, that you are so used to living in a, 'nanny' country, that you think it is Normal, and Expected for YOU, to pay for someone else.
Or, perhaps, it is because you have been, TOLD you MUST, be responsible, for someone else.

You also said, that I said: "Nobody can pass a law saying I must drive with my eyes open"  
Well I didn't. And people that actually, read the posts, know that.

Oh, do you spend a lot of time in Sicily?
Last time I was in Italy, I wanted to go their, and was TOLD,  BY the Natives,   Over and over again.   "Only go their, if you never want to be seen again".

Well, one could just go to certain areas in the US as well. Same thing !

So, You just do, what you are,  'TOLD',  to do.
I'll do what I, 'CHOOSE"  to do.





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Reply #20 - 07/02/14 at 01:30:48
 
MnSpring:

1) I wanted to go to Sicily... I was told by the natives...
If you were told by the natives, you were already there; else, you spoke to somebody who has a friend whose cousing said... blahblahblah
I was in Sicily last summer with on a 4x4 Tour, never enjoyed better hospitality and seeing Mt. Etna erupt at night is a sight that can only be equalled if you live in Hawaii.

(By the way, Al Capone was a Brooklyn born American citizen who didn't speak a single word of Italian, nor were his parents Sicilian)

Strike one.

2) "Last time I was in Italy, I wanted to go their"

Learn your spelling before giving me that "holier than thou" thing.

Strike two.

3) Your own words
So, If I ever get in a accident, Can I SUE the Government,
because, because I say, "I had my eyes closed".


Strike three.

Sorry, kid, you're out.
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Reply #21 - 07/02/14 at 04:12:08
 
Classy move mpes.... Picking out minor grammatical errors and avoiding the topic.

Bottom line, protect your overly inflated melon however you want, but give others the leeway to decide for themselves.
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Reply #22 - 07/02/14 at 06:13:11
 
[quote author=425F4A5C4C4E5B405D462F0 link=1403389731/15#17 date=1404205393][quote author=7C5F624143585F56310 link=1403389731/0#6 date=1403477497][color=#0000ff]mpescatori wrote on 06/22/14 at 14:15:20:
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I dare any Forum member to claim they are perfectly at ease with a lunatic claiming it is his constitutional right to drive through the neighborhood with their eyes closed.
What about the children's safety ???  Huh


Oh, I'm fine with it.
At the risk of sounding like WD my neighborhood could use a "cleansing".

This came up in a discussion with a friend. We started talking about measles and whatever ip opping up in Cali from the anti-vaxer's.
"I hope a super virus wipes out half the planet."
"What if it killed you, too?"
"Cost of doing business. 'For the greater good'"


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Reply #23 - 07/02/14 at 07:31:00
 


If you're happy the way you live, fine. If you aren't, try to improve it.

Funny how you all complain of "a Nanny State" and then assume you can teach... bully the rest of the world with your own version of "Democracy".

"The Fast Show".

Look it up, it's in English.
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Reply #24 - 07/02/14 at 08:39:18
 
You know as well as anyone our foreign policy isn't what the masses want. The fools among us can still be conned into supporting war through the media mouthpieces who spout the lies for th goobs over and over, till the masses are brainwashed into supporting another globalist wet dream. The number who can be swayed is dropping.
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Reply #25 - 07/02/14 at 18:28:51
 

To:  Maurizio Pescatori, Esq.

OK,  Last post on this subject for me.
Not worth the effort to spend the time, ’Splaining’ something,
(Splaining, is NOT proper English, it is a reference to a  popular US, 60’s TV show)

Kinna reminds me of the statement:
 “Never mind the facts, my mind is made up”    !!!

(I’ll do the last one first)
 Your Reference to Baseball: I, personally think, Baseball is Boring.
But if you think Baseball is great, and know all the States/Players/Ect.
GREAT.   Wonderful.   That is YOUR thing, not mine.
And YOU can do WHAT  YOU want !

(I also, don’t care for, Soccer, Golf, or Cricket)
All tremendously Popular things.
But if you do, Great !  I am NOT going to, TELL  YOU,  what to do!

Next. Is not ’Sicily’ a part of Italy ?
Would it not be the same If I said:
“Talking to a native, about Hawaii”
could one then say, Oh, That is NOT part of the USA?
Also, When I visited, I was on foot, on my own, I did NOT,
have a ‘guided Tour’, with all the amenities.
  And I really do not understand, What, a person named, ‘Al Capone’,
(where he was born, and what language he spoke),
has ANYTHING to do with this conversation.
(What exactly were YOU conferring on that information?)

Reference to spelling:
Nope, am NOT writing a book. Did NOT pay some to, ‘proof’, the grammar.      My Apologies !!!!

Next, ‘Eyes Closed’.
Nope, Re read, and reread again. Even with my incredible,
lack of knowledge about spelling and grammar,
It  STILL Does NOT say, what you said it does!

And finally the, ‘Kid’, reference.
In lew to that, I am older than you.
(According to your reference, of how old you are)
But, just to be fair,  I  AM,  younger than most people my age !

Anyway, to the point.
 Which is the,  CHOICE, to do a helmet or not.
If you have ridden a MC for 100,000 miles,
with a dew rag, shorts and sandals.
Of a FF and Leather, and heavy boots.

If you have experienced a event,
to give credence to, one way or the other.

I don’t Care, that is,   YOUR,   Choice,    Not mine.  

I will NOT tell YOU, what to do.  Do Not tell ME what to do.
I,  will make the choice,  NOT  you !

So, now it is time,  for,  YOUR,  last word   !!!!!
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Reply #26 - 07/02/14 at 23:50:13
 
Dear MnSpring, there is a fine line between “one in the know” and a “know-it-all”.

You mention Sicily, slam it, then expect me to be happy about it and even to believe any American is knowledgeable about Hawaii and can legitimately be called “a native”.
Your own words
Next. Is not ’Sicily’ a part of Italy ?
Would it not be the same If I said:
“Talking to a native, about Hawaii”
could one then say, Oh, That is NOT part of the USA
?”
According to your line of thought, I could come across a Bostonian or a New Yorker, ask him about Hawaii and take his word as “the facts”.

I disagree.

Also, When I visited, I was on foot, on my own, I did NOT,
have a ‘guided Tour’, with all the amenities.

So much for the better, you still have not explained the Forum where you were, when you went, what you saw and how you self-catered.
I was not on a guided tour, read again, I was on a 4x4 tour and as many Forum members know I drive a 4x4 truck. It was a 4x4 tour of Sicily, most of it offroad, and according to your innuendos it would have been jolly simple to haphazardly stumble into a mafia execution. Pity, we were walking the streets of Noto (ancient city dating to 2200BC) well past midnight and met plenty of people, not one person glanced at us sideways.

The truth of the matter is Americans live far too many stereotypes of Europeans, and Italians and Greeks in particular.

Who knows, maybe it’s because our ways and customs are rooted so far back in history, it’s simply beyond many people’s grasp.
Maybe it’s because anything that’s older than 100 years is “ancient” and is automatically stored in the “history” department, when it should be filed under “culture”.
Maybe it’s because you are geographically so incredibly isolated from the rest of the world, even 60 years into the jet age you still consider yourselves at the center of the world, “all the others” being periphery.

The world is round, the world goes on regardless of who shouts loudest or who bangs his fist hardest on the (Tall) table.

You resent my calling you “kid”. Very well, excellent, it means I struck the right chord.
How should I feel when someone slams my Country (or part of it) on the mere grounds of innuendos and hearsay?

As for baseball, “strike three you’re out” is an idiomatic expression typical of American English. Odd how I should know, and you didn’t notice.
I’m not here to enter a spitting contest (British English idiomatic expression: it means “I’m not here to quarrel over futile matters")
I joined this discussion because I read remarks to which I strongly disagree, and made my point with explicit photographs.
So explicit, the moderators censured them.
Sorry, Mods, that’s life, you’re free (in some places) to run the risk of bashing your face beyond recognition, but I wouldn’t brag about it.

Just like we all wear shoes (and there is no law about it) I see nothing wrong with a helmet law.

Or many other laws.

And before you and others pine away over your “Nanny State”, be grateful it IS a nanny State (well, almost, you still have to pay for medical expenses).

The alternative is not a “free state”, as some might think, but either “absolute deregulation”, i.e. the Democratic Republic of Congo, or absolute control over everything, i.e. North Korea.

You’re quite free, actually. Freer than most, and more than you're made to believe.

Peace.
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Reply #27 - 07/03/14 at 04:58:12
 
Nothing is free. You pay for medical. Tax on tax.
One problem is that we ARE each able to cost our neighbors by getting injured. When you have a vested interest in my life,suddenly you think you should be able to tell me what I can do. Typing on this is a great pain. So,I'm not able to explain in-depth.
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Reply #28 - 07/03/14 at 06:19:39
 
mpescatori wrote on 07/02/14 at 07:31:00:
Funny how you all complain of "a Nanny State" and then assume you can teach... bully the rest of the world with your own version of "Democracy".

"The Fast Show".

Look it up, it's in English.


Is that a dig?
I'll have you know I watch a lot of BBC! While they are speaking English it's like a whole 'nother dialect sometimes.

I must side with JoG. We're not all like this.
My idea of foreign policy is leaving everyone alone. We've got so many fingers in so many pies we're using toes.

This topic; rather, a similar one, was presented to me started with sky diving.
Sky diving is a risk. In the event of a parachute failure the sky diver probably won't have to pay for his own arrangements, leaving the burden on the citizens (either upright or trickle down from the state).
So do we ban sky diving?
That's silly - Land of the free, home of the brave...
Do we enforce some type of insurance policy?
Violates the 14th amendment.

But... if it didn't... imagine a world where you'd pay to take the risk.
Those who don't want to sky dive don't have to and aren't liable to pay for it.
Those who want to may, but will have to pay $x amount of dollars in the event something goes wrong.

Slide down this slippery slope, make a stop at Obamacare, and where do you end up?
Someone who eats veggies may continue living.
Someone who wants the risk of eating a cheese burger and drinking a milkshake has to pay a special tax or fee because the burger and shake could negatively affect their health, making their insurance rates rise.

Back to the sky diving...
Helmets save lives. I won't argue. I've seen the statistics. I've seen the crash reports showing impact zones. I've had friends who have perished as a result of not wearing helmets.
I still elect to ride without a helmet. It's my choice.


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Reply #29 - 07/03/14 at 09:44:42
 
Hi, Paraquat, I take your point, but it's not necessarily about skydiving.

You mind your own business, behave, live by the rules, and live a lifestyle you can afford...

OK, fine, so do I. It's calle "good husbandry".

Then comes one and drives into you. Uninsured. Lives on unemployment and all that. Won't pay you a dime because he's flat broke. "At least in jail it's one warm bed and 3 meals/day"... Undecided

Your insurance policy will be happy to see you on a luxury wheelchair for the rest of your life, pity you wouldn't pay that little extra for "bad luck clause"
so they won't pay your medical flight to Boston to be operated by that Nobel-prize winner neurosurgeon...

Or your newborn granddaughter is diagnosed a heart malformation which definitely requires that $750,000 operation.

You know what I mean.

We all chip in our little bit, but people do get treatment. It's the price you pay for living in a society, as opposed to a conglomerate of reciprocally unconnected individuals.

My son had a slight malformation of the palate which caused his lower teeth to shut overlapping his upper teeth - the opposite of what it's supposed to be.
Imagine a 3 y.o. kid with a bulldog smile Sad
We went to the Orthodontist in hospital, 7 (seven!) years with progressive braces, he would qualify as a teenage supermodel now  Cool

How much did I pay ? €50 / visit, for the visit - braces were on the system.
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