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Helmet vs No Helmet.
06/21/14 at 15:28:51
 
Recently a member here said if you wanted to ride with him, and if you have a certain kind of helmet, you will ride alone.
That’s Just Fine.  That is that person’s individual decision!.   It’s  called:  “Freedom”.
(The reasons that person gave, who cares, it’s that persons Freedom)
Agree with it, or not agree with it, it just doesn’t matter.  
It is,  YOUR  Choice.  NOT Someone else’s.

Is that decision right or wrong?   Many opinions, with evidence on both sides.
And many people say, Yes & No, and split hairs saying, ‘yes to this kind, no to that kind’.

What is wrong,
is a group of people saying;
“You  MUST, do,  ’this or that’”  and make a  LAW about it.

I have always felt, the basic difference between, Conservatives, and Liberals is:
Conservatives, don’t like something, they just don’t do it.
Liberals don’t like something.    NO ONE CAN DO IT !
and Pass a  LAW Saying So!

So, Let’s get back to the regularly scheduled program,
of sharing information on the Savage LS650/Suzuki S-40.
I for one, am no stranger to ICE’s
Yet, on this, Particular, one, (even though it is a 2006)
have to roll the clock back 28 years. And treat it as such.
And ALL the ‘fast curve’ knowledge, has come from this site.

Of course, if your a fan of:   “King Bama”.
Keep, ’TRYING”  to tell me ‘What’ to do !

And  good luck, ’Trying’, to remove the 1st Amendment,
of the Constitution of the United Stated Of America.
And, again, if you, actually , believe, the ‘King Bama” Puppets.

READ  The Proposed Law   !!!!!      READ it  !!!!!!!!  (S.J. Res 19)
Now, you tell me !
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #1 - 06/21/14 at 18:09:33
 
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Reply #2 - 06/22/14 at 06:12:29
 
I have always felt, the basic difference between, Conservatives, and Liberals is:
Conservatives, don’t like something, they just don’t do it.
Liberals don’t like something.    NO ONE CAN DO IT !
and Pass a  LAW Saying So!


I have a man-crush on you, whoever you are!. Amen, liberals are the worst at imposing their will on you.  

They are right up there with the ATGATT crowd. There's not much difference between them and TV evangelists .....
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Reply #3 - 06/22/14 at 06:51:04
 
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I have always felt, the basic difference between, Conservatives, and Liberals is:
Conservatives, don’t like something, they just don’t do it.
Liberals don’t like something.    NO ONE CAN DO IT !
and Pass a  LAW Saying So!


Agree with that 100%

I don't like helmet laws - I don't like a lot of laws to tell the truth Smiley

But I do have pretty strong fellings about wearing vs. not wearing helmets or other safety gear.

My first exposure to motorcycles was motocross. I raced for quite a few years before I ever even rode - much less owned - a street bike. Protective gear is as natural to me as my underwear. I am completely in the ATGATT camp.

Don't want to wear a helmet. Want to ride in a tee shirt, shorts and flip - flops. Go for it.
Absolutely  your right to do that. I don't care. But I reserve the right to think that anyone who refuses to wear the stuff that has been proven to provide protection in the event of a crash is stupid.

Motocross racing is SAFER than riding on the street. I've never seen anyone on a race track without a helmet.
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Reply #4 - 06/22/14 at 11:12:20
 
It is what it is.... opinion and choice...
My thing is, those that adamantly (religious fanatical almost) on the ATGATT side of the house post nasty gross pictures of limbs and bodies that have been ground to the bone to prove their point.
I have quit many a site for that and facebook spots also... been asked to come back by those that appreciate my assistance, but I have told them to just email me for help.
There is a limit I think to posts and some cross it with no sense of morals and decency, but then this is the internet, a faceless era of communication where one can vent whatever one wants with no fear of retaliation.
I will still ride with you no matter what you wear or don't wear, its your choice, not mine.
I also choose my choice and would expect an "I told you so" if something happens.
Hey, I wasn't wearing knee pads last year on the way up to the Dragon run, and I dumped in a small parking lot and skinned up my knee.
I still don't wear knee pads while riding.... my choice....not yours.
And I won't insult your intelligence, if you don't agree, by calling you  names.... its your choice.
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Reply #5 - 06/22/14 at 14:15:20
 
Don't insult my intelligence !

I don't need a helmet !

I'm smarter than you folks and a LOT better driver/rider !

http://media.motoblog.it/u/usa/usa-il-casco/helmet_stupid_01.jpg

OK, ok, now somebody please clean up his drool...  Tongue

You want to know what a broken jaw looks like at 35mph?

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/klauzja/FJR%20Pics/Misc/motorcycle-acci...

Lips Sealed

No helmet, right ? Civil liberties and all that... yuh, right...

-While I respect your right to inform, those pic's are gross.
and given most pic's can be photoshopped or just plain misrepresented
I wouldn't give them any credence. -V1


Ahhh,... so glad that pic is down..- Serow
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Reply #6 - 06/22/14 at 15:51:37
 
mpescatori wrote on 06/22/14 at 14:15:20:
Don't insult my intelligence !
I don't need a helmet !
I'm smarter than you folks and a LOT better driver/rider !
No helmet, right ? Civil liberties and all that... yuh, right...


Mpescatori.  

I believe you completely missed the point.
This is not about, "to, or not to", wear a helmet.
Their are other places to state your view about that one way or another.

This is about the,  FREEDOM, to CHOOSE.

Personally I wear a helmet, and leather.
(And most probably always will)
That, is  MY  Choice!    NOT  Yours !
Do Not Tell Me, I,  HAVE to.
I have Fire Extinguishers in the house and sheds.
(MY Choice, not yours)
I Have a gun.  (MY Choice, not yours)
I drive defensively, MC or Cage. (MY Choice, not yours)
Etc, Etc, Etc.    ...

It is a FREEDOM or CHOICE.
If someone 'chose' badly, and suffered a horrific accident.
Well then sorry.
But it just cleaned up the gene pool!

   Wait.  No Where, absolutely NO where,
does the, 'government' who issues Driving Licenses,
say: "You Have to drive with your Eyes Open".
So, If I ever get in a accident, Can I SUE the Government,
because, because I say, "I had my eyes closed".
And the Government who issued me a License,
did so, without  EVER saying:
"You Must drive with your eyes open".

  LOL  Grin  Gee how far do you think that will go ?

I see you are from Italy.
What does, Freedom, mean in Italy?

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #7 - 06/22/14 at 16:18:20
 
That,.. is one gross pic.. Tongue...

...(not sure it's real)... hope not...
I've seen it elsewhere on the net, claiming to be a shotgun blast or a blasting cap gone awry...
I'm guessing Photoshop...Huh...

I do however wear a helmet... (I ain't that pretty, but I sure ain't that ugly)... Huh...
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Ludicrous Speed !... ... Huh...
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Reply #8 - 06/22/14 at 18:00:25
 
I wear a helmet 90% of the time, but in my past only goggles..

Without question it is personal choice, right or wrong we are free to choose and that is more important than any debates regarding risk..

the govt can't even balance their checkbook so I have zero respect for their decisions, zero  Tongue
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motorcycles have been my main transport since 1974
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Reply #9 - 06/22/14 at 18:38:24
 
I think mnspring's point was 'I've already been to church once this week, I don't need to be preached to again.' Looking for the bloodiest sickest pictures is another version of fire and brimstone from the pulpit. Give it a rest Mpes.

Note: like many others on here, I always wear a helmet (open face)  and proper footwear. 90% of the time I wear my protective jacket and 50% of the time, I put knee/shin pads under my jeans. I do not have riding pants, but I plan to get some more for the rain protection and multiple pockets than anything else.

Note #2: I ride a BMW now and some BMW riders look down on other BMW rider who aren't' wearing the entire $1500 "officially sanctioned" gear in the exact same matter they look down on Harley riders and their leather costumes. I don't give a sh!t; f' em. I'll wear what I want and no amount of blood splattered pictures is going to convince me otherwise.

Part of the make up of those of us who own and ride motorcycle is we, as a group, tend to make our own way in the world more than the next person. Although, as I think about it, that sentiment only applies to those who ride for years, to the point that it's more than a hobby or a way to get laid.
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Reply #10 - 06/23/14 at 04:24:53
 
Freedom? What about clothes?  Shocked

"Humans are the only species to have invented immodesty." ~a former neighbor of mine who taught aerospace engineering



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Reply #11 - 06/23/14 at 09:31:04
 
BalingWire wrote on 06/23/14 at 04:24:53:
... What about clothes?  Shocked

A-Yep   !!!   Sore is funny ! Grin Grin Grin

Of course a little thing call, 'Common Sense', is perhaps in order.

We don't yell, 'Fire' in a crowed theater.
Don't say, 'Hi-Jack" on a airplane in flight when you see some one, (named Jack), you haven't see in a long time.

BUT, their Are places, you can be in, 'public', with no cloths on!  Wink



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Reply #12 - 06/23/14 at 21:30:16
 
Yup,,, I didn't ride to ride.... I started riding to get laid! I like that! I think i'll make that a T-shirt! Smiley
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Reply #13 - 06/24/14 at 07:41:08
 
I have always felt, the basic difference between, Conservatives, and Liberals is:
Conservatives, don’t like something, they just don’t do it.
Liberals don’t like something.    NO ONE CAN DO IT !
and Pass a  LAW Saying So!


Nice thought. The problem comes into play in thinking that one party or the other is either conservative or liberal... when the truth is...




they are both bought. Both parties have "used and abused" the ideals of liberals or conservatives. To the point where nearly everyone agrees that the notion of party truly representing the ideal is far gone.   Thus I have no allegiance to any party, though I do have conservative ideals.  

I am not at all in agreement to call Obama names. he is no better nor worse than the past 3 presidents... none were unaffected by the powers that placed them... and I don't mean voters.

Welcome the fray that is TT.   Cool
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Reply #14 - 06/24/14 at 16:43:22
 
First bike I totaled if I Had been wearing one, I woulda died. Second time, no helmet, didnt matter,, didnt hit my head, 3rd time, my face bent the cab corner of a pickup. My HJC flip face saved the day.

Moraal?

Ya pays yer money & ya takes yer chances.
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