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Dane Allen Serious Thumper Offline Carpe Diem!! Posts: 1217 Riverside, CA Gender:	Re: Government IS the Enemy Reply #15 - 05/21/14 at 20:50:12 old_rider wrote on 05/21/14 at 18:55:12: wow, with that title on the post.... wonder who the new folks are that are signing up on the site?... LOL Well, unless they've been living in a cave for that last 6 years or are chronically liberal I think they are either trolls or are as fed up as I am.
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Reply #16 - 05/21/14 at 20:54:31

More Obamacare fun.

http://betsyspage.blogspot.com/2014/05/cruising-web_19.html

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The obvious question to ask about the VA scandal is: Why? Why would a VA hospital administrator direct doctors not to perform colonoscopies until patients had three positive tests for bloody stools? Or why were VA employees ordered to "cook the books" and hide long wait times that veterans faced when seeking care from heart, cancer, or other specialists? Why did some VA administrators go so far as to create a secret waiting list to hide year-plus wait times?

There's only one plausible answer to these questions: rationing. The VA is but a smaller version of the sort of government-run, single-payer health care with which the political left is so enamored.
When individuals receive care through the VA, it becomes the only payer and hence, the only decision-maker. The VA decides who gets care, when, and how much. Moreover, as the single payer, the VA bears the risk of loss: If tax dollars aren't enough to pay for the care demanded, there's only one result - rationing of care.

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Ben Shapiro reminds us of the five times that Obama officials have expressed outrage at their own incompetence: the VA scandal, Benghazi, the IRS, the Secret Service scandal, Fast and Furious, and, of course, the Obamacare launch.

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Reply #17 - 05/21/14 at 21:03:11

Serowbot wrote on 05/21/14 at 09:37:31:

Study after study has shown Fox News viewers to be the least informed and most often misled...

NPR listeners are the most informed...

Thus,.. muzzling Liberals is suppressing the truth...
Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers are telling lies...

This is fact...

You can whine about Liberal billionaires influence all you want...
...but,... there is a difference in suppressing truth, and stopping lies...
...but,...SCOTUS decided, in a case involving Fox News, that the right to lie is protected speech..
A lot of Conservative money is spent spreading lies.
...if you repeat a lie often enough...

Obama is not a Kenyan, Muslim, or leader of Al Qaeda... Roll Eyes

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The truth is a hard pill to swallow...

I don't think that just because someone disagrees with you that they are automatically liars.

Mr. Transparency won't release his college documents like every other President in history so we don't know, as we suspect, that Obama himself is responsible for the Kenyan rumor because that is what he put on college applications to get financial aid and preferential treatment ala Fauxcahontas - Elizabeth Warren. Maybe if Obama wasn't such a cover-up artist and had any talent other than blaming others for his failures then we might have a different situation here. Be we are stuck with what we got and you can't convince me that our economy is stagnating because of Fox News.

The IRS scandal, Fast and Furious scandal, Obamacare roll-out scandal, Benghazi scandal, Keep Your Doctor scandal, VA scandal, Tax Dodgers scandal and all the other scandals are not lies created by Fox News. Maybe it just seems that way because all the liberal dominated media (7% conservative) are dutifully toeing the party line to detriment of the country.

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Reply #18 - 05/21/14 at 21:56:52

Serowbot wrote on 05/21/14 at 09:37:31:

Thus,.. muzzling Liberals is suppressing the truth...
Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers are telling lies...

About that...

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

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We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW [Anthropogenic Global Warming], 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. [Emphasis added.]

97% of scientists that believe in global warming is 97% of the 32.6%, 1% of the 32.6% disagreed. 66.4% said nothing either way. It isn't 97% of all scientists or even climate scientists.

But it's Conservatives that push lies... Grin

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Reply #19 - 05/22/14 at 00:17:42

Countering a half-million idiots on the internet,.. is an exercise in futility...
If you want real numbers... go to a real site...
Start with Googling words like Climatology, Climate, or weather...
Instead of dumbasses that think the world is flat... and Sarah Palin is smart...

"32,000" "scientists".. if you ever bothered to read the multitude of previous links and info I already supplied... included any bozo that even claimed to have any degree in anything...
Would you take medical advice from your accountant?...

I will not argue this silliness anymore...
I have proven my point...
No one here reads... or listens to any reality...
No one here has bothered to read any facts...
...and I mean actual facts from actual climatologists, on sites where actual climatologists are...

So here we go again...
...repeat a lie often enough...
4 million idiots, repeating and quoting some foolishness... do not outweigh the actual climatological evidence...
Sorry... real climatologists, have more important things to do than try to outpost idiots...
You have to hunt for the truth...

You think you are hunting now?... noop...
If you type "Climate Change"... you will get get 4 million blowhard fools... and maybe a handful of actual climatology sites...
It is a reality of the modern world...
The truth hides in a sewer of nonsense...

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Reply #20 - 05/22/14 at 08:46:37

Serowbot wrote on 05/21/14 at 09:37:31:

Study after study has shown Fox News viewers to be the least informed and most often misled...

NPR listeners are the most informed...

On a side note, assuming this is not a biased and/or politically motivaded study, Fox has the highest ratings by a large margin so you have a lot of diversity of viewers from all age, income and education groups so when you take a massive population and compare it to a tiny relative sample like NPR, you would expect to get these results.

It also depends on who is asked the survey questions but that Fox represents the mainstream of America I would not be surprised of a great diversity in education and beliefs.

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Reply #21 - 05/22/14 at 10:34:36

Serowbot wrote on 05/22/14 at 00:17:42:

Countering a half-million idiots on the internet,.. is an exercise in futility...
If you want real numbers... go to a real site...
Start with Googling words like Climatology, Climate, or weather...
Instead of dumbasses that think the world is flat... and Sarah Palin is smart...

"32,000" "scientists".. if you ever bothered to read the multitude of previous links and info I already supplied... included any bozo that even claimed to have any degree in anything...
Would you take medical advice from your accountant?...

I will not argue this silliness anymore...
I have proven my point...
No one here reads... or listens to any reality...
No one here has bothered to read any facts...
...and I mean actual facts from actual climatologists, on sites where actual climatologists are...

So here we go again...
...repeat a lie often enough...
4 million idiots, repeating and quoting some foolishness... do not outweigh the actual climatological evidence...
Sorry... real climatologists, have more important things to do than try to outpost idiots...
You have to hunt for the truth...

You think you are hunting now?... noop...
If you type "Climate Change"... you will get get 4 million blowhard fools... and maybe a handful of actual climatology sites...
It is a reality of the modern world...
The truth hides in a sewer of nonsense...

And in the end it is still a theory. Whether it is by 97% or 32% of scientists it is still just a theory based on evidence on hand and conjecture. To elevate this beyond that is to enter the realm of relgious faith, if it is in your belief system to believe that humans are changing the climate then there is no evidence or logic that will sway you.

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Re: Government IS the Enemy
Reply #22 - 05/22/14 at 13:13:36

Serowbot wrote on 05/21/14 at 09:37:31:

Study after study has shown Fox News viewers to be the least informed and most often misled...
...The truth is a hard pill to swallow...

Study after study... paid for by... will show whatever, whoever paid for it wants to show.

Same goes for GW... if you're paid to show GW, you're dam well gonna show it or else you're outta job. Which pretty much explains the venomity from those about to loose their jobs.

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Re: Government IS the Enemy
Reply #23 - 05/22/14 at 13:35:36

verslagen1 wrote on 05/22/14 at 13:13:36:

Serowbot wrote on 05/21/14 at 09:37:31:

Study after study has shown Fox News viewers to be the least informed and most often misled...
...The truth is a hard pill to swallow...

Study after study... paid for by... will show whatever, whoever paid for it wants to show.

Same goes for GW... if you're paid to show GW, you're dam well gonna show it or else you're outta job. Which pretty much explains the venomity from those about to loose their jobs.

Either you KNOW something or that's very good timing on your part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha--6guaf-w&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ&ind...

http://www.thegwpf.org/lennart-bengtsson-resigns-gwpf-voices-shock-and-concer...

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28761 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Government IS the Enemy Reply #24 - 05/22/14 at 13:43:10 Pine wrote on 05/22/14 at 13:35:36: Either you KNOW something or that's very good timing on your part. It's a well known fact amongst those that deal in stat's.
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Re: Government IS the Enemy
Reply #25 - 05/23/14 at 16:03:46

verslagen1 wrote on 05/22/14 at 13:43:10:

Pine wrote on 05/22/14 at 13:35:36:

Either you KNOW something or that's very good timing on your part.

It's a well known fact amongst those that deal in stat's.

97% of people whose quality of life is dependant on the government believe that the government should continue maintaining that quality of life Grin

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shorty Serious Thumper Offline be careful out there gentlemen Posts: 547 southern NM Gender:	Re: Government IS the Enemy Reply #26 - 05/23/14 at 21:21:13 just the fact that fine outstanding Americans are posting in this manner is proof our once great govt is slipping away.. when I was younger the govt was my friend, the idea our employees would fail to represent our best wishes was the furthest thing from my mind.. age has physical drawbacks, the mind continues to learn
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Reply #27 - 05/30/14 at 10:16:58

Another little story for those who see the government as their personal lord and savior:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2014/05/26/lumber-union-protectionists...

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Worse, 95 percent of federal cases never go to trial, because “Justice Department prosecutors have engineered the system to make it too risky to go to trial,” often railroading people who are innocent. “They have built a conviction machine, not a system of justice.”

A CONVICTION MACHINE!!! Just what the thought police need. Angry

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