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Reply #15 - 05/05/14 at 10:26:57
 
I would post something functional in this thread... but its too full hot headedness as it is... yall have with it...
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Reply #16 - 05/05/14 at 12:52:30
 
Read my post...  Smiley
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Reply #17 - 05/05/14 at 16:13:14
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/05/14 at 09:18:28:
JOG, accusing others of seeing boogiemen?... Undecided...


C'mon JOG, that IS funny  Kiss
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Reply #18 - 05/07/14 at 04:28:03
 
Now that Hopey's been President for 5+ years, he's weighing in on the single largest issue caving the entire planet today.....climate change.

Here's the single biggest problem with the report and Sew's tree planting crusade, they are both based on a series of models that have been wrong, on the high side of temperature, since they were introduced 15 years ago or so. All the major UN reports have been wrong on the high side. Think about that. Doesn't that tell you (along with a ton of other evidence) they have already decided the outcome in their own minds and on purpose or not, creating models that fit their thinking, not the facts?!
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Reply #19 - 05/07/14 at 04:55:02
 
Here's a perfect example. I read this, checked a few sites with data from nasa satellites about global temperature and wonder how it is all we here is global warming, global warming yet there doesn't seem to be any.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/global_cooling_underway.html
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Reply #20 - 05/07/14 at 05:25:05
 
Some good points/questions for you in the settled science group should answer.

1)      No Recent Warming. If global warming science is so “settled”, why did global warming stop over 15 years ago (in most temperature datasets), contrary to all “consensus” predictions?

2)      Natural or Manmade? If we don’t know how much of the warming in the longer term (say last 50 years) is natural, then how can we know how much is manmade?

3)      IPCC Politics and Beliefs. Why does it take a political body (the IPCC) to tell us what scientists “believe”? And when did scientists’ “beliefs” translate into proof? And when was scientific truth determined by a vote…especially when those allowed to vote are from the Global Warming Believers Party?

4)      Climate Models Can’t Even Hindcast How did climate modelers, who already knew the answer, still fail to explain the lack of a significant temperature rise over the last 30+ years? In other words, how to you botch a hindcast?

5)      …But We Should Believe Model Forecasts? Why should we believe model predictions of the future, when they can’t even explain the past?

6)      Modelers Lie About Their “Physics”. Why do modelers insist their models are based upon established physics, but then hide the fact that the strong warming their models produce is actually based upon very uncertain “fudge factor” tuning?

7)      Is Warming Even Bad? Who decided that a small amount of warming is necessarily a bad thing?

8)      Is CO2 Bad? How did carbon dioxide, necessary for life on Earth and only 4 parts in 10,000 of our atmosphere, get rebranded as some sort of dangerous gas?

9)      Do We Look that Stupid? How do scientists expect to be taken seriously when their “theory” is supported by both floods AND droughts? Too much snow AND too little snow?

10)      Selective Pseudo-Explanations. How can scientists claim that the Medieval Warm Period (which lasted hundreds of years), was just a regional fluke…yet claim the single-summer (2003) heat wave in Europe had global significance?

11) (Spinal Tap bonus) Just How Warm is it, Really? Why is it that every subsequent modification/adjustment to the global thermometer data leads to even more warming? What are the chances of that? Either a warmer-still present, or cooling down the past, both of which produce a greater warming trend over time. And none of the adjustments take out a gradual urban heat island (UHI) warming around thermometer sites, which likely exists at virtually all of them — because no one yet knows a good way to do that.o
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You want climate change models?
Reply #21 - 05/07/14 at 05:37:53
 
WebsterMark, you're my man  Smiley

You want climate change models ?

Sure, I'll give you climate change models all you want !

FROM THIS



TO THIS



TO... [drum roll, please...] THIS !

TADAAA !!!



Cool

NOW THAT'S THE CHANGE I LIKE !!!  Cheesy
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Reply #22 - 05/07/14 at 06:28:03
 
finally....! A warming model I can fully embrace!!!
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Reply #23 - 05/07/14 at 07:47:15
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/07/14 at 05:25:05:
Some good points/questions for you in the settled science group should answer.

1)      No Recent Warming. If global warming science is so “settled”, why did global warming stop over 15 years ago (in most temperature datasets), contrary to all “consensus” predictions?

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This simply gets ignored, while the alarmists continue to howl.
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2)      Natural or Manmade? If we don’t know how much of the warming in the longer term (say last 50 years) is natural, then how can we know how much is manmade?

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Somehow the constant change of the conditions is ignored. There IS no baseline. Earth had Glaciers, why did they go away? Cave men & their fires?
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3)      IPCC Politics and Beliefs. Why does it take a political body (the IPCC) to tell us what scientists “believe”? And when did scientists’ “beliefs” translate into proof? And when was scientific truth determined by a vote…especially when those allowed to vote are from the Global Warming Believers Party?

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In the 70's the scientists were predicting a mini Ice Age.. & That proved ridiculously erroneous, as in WRONG. BUT,. NOW we are all supposed to run quivering over these dire predictions. By now, according to their howls of coming doom, we should have NO ice in the Atlantic.
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4)      Climate Models Can’t Even Hindcast How did climate modelers, who already knew the answer, still fail to explain the lack of a significant temperature rise over the last 30+ years? In other words, how to you botch a hindcast?
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Well? Good question..
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5)      …But We Should Believe Model Forecasts? Why should we believe model predictions of the future, when they can’t even explain the past?

6)      Modelers Lie About Their “Physics”. Why do modelers insist their models are based upon established physics, but then hide the fact that the strong warming their models produce is actually based upon very uncertain “fudge factor” tuning?
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In order to gather the data the climate models were built upon, they installed thermometers in "New" places. On roof tops & by runways,, GEE,, Ya mean they were hotter? AND, they ceased using some data gathering stations that were located in more reasonable places. AND, ALL the data that this great study is based on has been destroyed,,
Gee,, talk about Scientific Method..
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7)      Is Warming Even Bad? Who decided that a small amount of warming is necessarily a bad thing?

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Nuther good ?
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8)      Is CO2 Bad? How did carbon dioxide, necessary for life on Earth and only 4 parts in 10,000 of our atmosphere, get rebranded as some sort of dangerous gas?
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Uh Huhh,, by decree, one of lifes necessities gets labeled a hazard
Orwell anyone?
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9)      Do We Look that Stupid? How do scientists expect to be taken seriously when their “theory” is supported by both floods AND droughts? Too much snow AND too little snow?
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HA! Here your ignorance SHOWS!!  Dont you know that some drugs come with the warning
May cause constipation OR Diarrhea?
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10)      Selective Pseudo-Explanations. How can scientists claim that the Medieval Warm Period (which lasted hundreds of years), was just a regional fluke…yet claim the single-summer (2003) heat wave in Europe had global significance?

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What? YOu want consistency in thinking?
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11) (Spinal Tap bonus) Just How Warm is it, Really? Why is it that every subsequent modification/adjustment to the global thermometer data leads to even more warming? What are the chances of that? Either a warmer-still present, or cooling down the past, both of which produce a greater warming trend over time. And none of the adjustments take out a gradual urban heat island (UHI) warming around thermometer sites, which likely exists at virtually all of them — because no one yet knows a good way to do that.o


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Ohh, before the drive to create a data stream that would allow them to pretend there was some horrid thing afoot they had data collection sites in areas away from dense population areas. Those got eliminated over time.
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Reply #24 - 05/07/14 at 09:21:28
 
Hmmmmmm?...
Should I believe a bunch of armchair experts, talking through their hats,... or 97% of the experts in the world?....
I know, I know,.. all the experts have a political agenda to lie,... unlike a bunch of guys that argue politics on a bike site for fun...

I don't need to strain my brain on this one... Grin...
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Reply #25 - 05/07/14 at 09:55:53
 
97%? Says who? & did ya forget the scientist who recently quit the IPCC & reversed course? Who is paying these scientists? Where is the data? Why did they start using thermometers on roof tops & by cement runways to gather data? Did they not see that as being out of step with reality? Why just accept what we are told when we have so often been lied to? Where did the "soon to come, mini ice age" go? Were those alarmists not also scientists? Wasnt there "consensus" then? Who determines what the world SHOULD be doing? & HOW will Americans changing their lives & paying carbon taxes even have any effect at all while China & other countries pollute unrelentingly?
If the greens want a cause, let them take up ending nuke power ( Remember Fukushima?) & stopping GMOs..
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Reply #26 - 05/07/14 at 12:02:02
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/07/14 at 09:21:28:
Hmmmmmm?...
Should I believe a bunch of armchair experts, talking through their hats,... or 97% of the experts in the world?....
I know, I know,.. all the experts have a political agenda to lie,... unlike a bunch of guys that argue politics on a bike site for fun...

I don't need to strain my brain on this one... Grin...


here in lies the problem......
1) I would not refer to those questioning the IPCC data 'armchair' as many of them were on the original panel.
2) No one I know disputes climate change or disputes a gradually warming. What many dispute is the time frame. I say it began thousands of years ago after the last ice age. That part is a fact. IPCC says it began recently because of greenhouse gases according to their modeling software.
3) the 97% number is a lie that's been repeated often. Take 5 minutes and get the truth for yourself about this number and then don't repeat. Ask yourself this question, shouldn't the number be 100%? Who are the 3% that say there's been no warming? Every scientist whose ever written anything on the topic says climate change is true; it's the source and timeframe that are challenged.
4) as far as political agenda, the IPCC and UN by definition are political. Are you so gullible to think that somehow 'oil men' are influenced by money by scientist looking for millions in government funding are somehow pure and holy? Really? where were you when I was selling life insurance?....
5) given the fact you repeated the 97% number which is not true, clearly you believe on face value what  you're told BECAUSE of your political point of view. I suspect the future dangers have been overblown because of my political point of view. Given the fact that every single prediction since the first IPCC report can out has been vastly overstated (and always on the high side) I have the better position. You cannot point to IPCC data that's been accurate.
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Reply #27 - 05/07/14 at 12:55:38
 
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
Excuse all the smoking/cancer visuals... but, the facts are there...
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Reply #28 - 05/07/14 at 16:48:42
 
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Theyve been wrong on all counts to date

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There was "consensus" when we were warned of the oncoming mini ice age.

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No one has yet addressed exactly how all of US being taxed for energy use would have any impact on the GLOBAL output,.
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Reply #29 - 05/07/14 at 16:55:55
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/07/14 at 16:48:42:
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Theyve been wrong on all counts to date

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There was "consensus" when we were warned of the oncoming mini ice age.

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No one has yet addressed exactly how all of US being taxed for energy use would have any impact on the GLOBAL output,.


I have not heard an explanation about the past two ice ages.

This was the coldest winter in years and they still blamed it on the global warming.  
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