...... and on another, more performance oriented topic.
Dave's bike is pretty. It gets attention where ever he goes.
So a Hurley 883 sportster guy sees it stopped beside him at a wide four lane intersection stop light and immediately motions to challenge Dave to a drag race contest with both of them pulling away from the stop light when it changes.
It was really more of a roll on contest instead of a drag race, because Dave didn't really catch on what the guy wanted until they were both rolling forward a little bit.
The other guy actually went first since Dave was a little slow on the pick up as to this was a real race.
So the Hurley guy is roaring his engine in first and second and third and breaking his rear tire loose a little bit and just doing his standard "dominating the world" thing right on up to 60 mph or so and then he looks back behind him to see how far he had left Dave back there in his 20w50 hurley oil and big fat Continental rubber burning rear tire smoke.
Whups .... Dave ain't there. Only thing behind the Hurley dude is little old me, just idling along behind him a little off to the side as witness.
Dave is on the other side of his neck craning motion, just a idling along just a little ahead of him.
Dave is always very polite and nice, I'd have left the guy in the dust and gone on around the next turn before he finished all his roaring and thrashing. I would not have held anything back to preserve his feelings, nope, not me, no siree bob.
But Dave is a nicer person than I am.
So at the next stop light the Hurley 883 guy is loudly insisting on a rematch, he says he "hit his rev limiter" on his Sportster in first gear and that slowed him down some and that was what let Dave get ahead. He wants a rematch so he can short shift his bike and "keep his momentum going".
Dave just smiles at him (having held back to no more than a partial one bike lead and not doing any spinning out at all, just pulling out at a normal brisk pace). Dave was never behind the guy at all, ever.
So, Dave now has the ultimate Hurley Killer Savage, he has him a Savage that can kill a Hurley at what Hurleys do best, slow speed starting roll ons on up to about 85 mph.
Drag racing would be a no brainer, since a Hurley always weights over 600 pounds and it will always break the rear tire loose and waste a lot of time making smoke while getting to going in any drag style start.
Hurleys do have LOTS OF TORQUE though, and for Dave to have to go consciously "be nice" and to have to let the guy sorta keep up with him means his Dave's Kentucky Thumper is strong enough (and Dave is light enough) to simply accelerate faster than the huge roaring smoking Hurley without even breaking his Savage's rear tire lose at all.
Note: Dave didn't wheelie, either -- a nice clean controlled motion all the way.
Dave didn't go give the guy his rematch, and after considering it a bit the guy stopped insisting on it.
"What makes you think Dave here had to actually use all he had available to him to beat you ???
His front end stayed down the whole time and I didn't even hear his engine snarl any at all .... you might be better off to leave well enough alone since at least this time you can say you were close."
Hurley people, what can you say? At least we didn't allow the guy to go damage his bike any while he was exercising his ego, which is more than many of them Hurley folks can say after going up against a well tuned Savage.
Of course, the damage to the Hurley may show up later since I don't think any form of Hurley really takes well to "bouncing off their rev limiters" with that pushrod based valve train and all --- and we do know from past experience the primary chain drive spline on the crank itself can shell itself out into a walking wounded state and then actually go completely to pieces somewhat later on down the road when the tooth cracks progress on into complete separations,
Who knows? Time will tell .....