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Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery
Reply #15 - 06/11/13 at 09:07:55

hotrodbobber wrote on 06/11/13 at 08:27:16:

COME ON GUYS HELP THIS GUY OUT.
The only thing that can draw a LOT of current is the starter, everything else is via a fuse and will blow if over 20A straight away

You make a good point.

It would be a good idea to pull the starter out and make sure it will turn by hand, then apply power to see if the starter will run or has a short in it. The original post made us focus on the ground wire.....when the problem may be elsewhere.

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Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery
Reply #16 - 06/11/13 at 09:10:28

The same number of electrons flow thru the hot wire on the battery as the ground, so, if only the ground is getting hot, it is connected so that it is resistive. If it gets hot on one end, its that end that is resistive. Tha same current flows the length of the wire. If its simply High Current, the whole wire gets hot.

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Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery
Reply #17 - 06/11/13 at 09:14:21

EeeSkwa wrote on 06/09/13 at 13:54:56:

my 87 savage will not start...
...the bike still clicks but won't turn.
The wire gets reallllly hot still after attempting to start it a few times...

The wire gets hot... so we know current is flowing.
The bike clicks... multiple clicks or just twice?
Won't turn... let's check this.

Take the starter out and jumper it to see if it spins.
2 bolts on the end and the positive lead.
lift the end and pull.
jumper negative to the case and positive to that terminal... get ready for it to jump. just a brief touch, just need to make sure it works.

next check the gears for any broken teeth on the starter.
then check the hole in came out of, reach in and spin the gears, should go 1 way and not the other.

the pre'90's are notorious for busting teeth. see...

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1288911670

next possibility is the decomp is not working, or too loose to work.
press the start button with everything back together. it should pop for a 1.2 second then return.

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EeeSkwa YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11	Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery Reply #18 - 06/11/13 at 09:36:48 Thanks guys, I will pull the starter tonight and try and jump it as suggested and check for broken teeth. Its just odd that the ground wire keeps somking when switching grounding locations. I feel like it needs to be replaced too. ...will report back.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery Reply #19 - 06/11/13 at 09:47:11 You could pull the plug & see if it spins over w/o compression. If not, starter comes off, if it does & it sounds like a thrashing machine, starter comes off,,
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18096 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery Reply #20 - 06/11/13 at 10:20:06 I remember one fellow cranked his starter too long, and the magnet came loose and lodged against the rotor. That locked the starter up....this could be something like that. Not sure about the smokey wire though - does the red positive wire get warm?
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EeeSkwa YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11	Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery Reply #21 - 06/11/13 at 10:23:50 verslagen1 wrote on 06/11/13 at 09:14:21: The bike clicks... multiple clicks or just twice? There are multiple clicks....several
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery Reply #22 - 06/11/13 at 11:40:21 Make sure the battery is charged up. Sounds like its been thru a hard time lately,, If you havent been recharging it, I bet its low.
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Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery
Reply #23 - 06/15/13 at 08:16:46

Dave wrote on 06/11/13 at 09:07:55:

hotrodbobber wrote on 06/11/13 at 08:27:16:

COME ON GUYS HELP THIS GUY OUT.
The only thing that can draw a LOT of current is the starter, everything else is via a fuse and will blow if over 20A straight away

You make a good point.

It would be a good idea to pull the starter out and make sure it will turn by hand, then apply power to see if the starter will run or has a short in it. The original post made us focus on the ground wire.....when the problem may be elsewhere.

replaced the lead wire with same results...pulled the starter and it does not turn by hand...wont budge...all the teeth look good on the starter and the starter clutch assembly. Starter clutch gears turn in one direction too with no issues (counterclockwise). Think i found the culprit of my issue finally....bad starter...going to take it apart and see what I can do but may just be easier to find a replacement starter if this one is shot. Shouldn't the starter motor turn freely by hand?

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Steve H Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1223 Spartanburg, SC Gender:	Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery Reply #24 - 06/15/13 at 09:15:31 It should turn by hand. That's why they wanted you to test it that way. Sounds like something has locked up your starter motor. It's pulling way more current than it should if it doesn't turn...hence the smoking wire.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery Reply #25 - 06/15/13 at 10:35:18 jumper the battery terms to the starter, should spin with a mighty kick.
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Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery
Reply #26 - 06/17/13 at 09:31:31

verslagen1 wrote on 06/15/13 at 10:35:18:

jumper the battery terms to the starter, should spin with a mighty kick.

I jumperd the starter and it does not spin...no go. removed it completey and when I shake it, there are some rattling noises coming from it (NOT GOOD), haha. I may take it to a rebuilder as I cannot seem to find any new or used starters online for less than $200.

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EeeSkwa YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11	Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery Reply #27 - 07/09/13 at 18:33:35 Well....one rebuilt starter and a new starter solenoid and 8 months of frustration finally overcome. She works! Runs better than ever (thanks to several new parts too), and I couldn't be happier. Perfect time of year. Thanks to anyone who helped here.
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Re: Electrical Short in Lead Wire from Battery
Reply #28 - 08/12/13 at 20:19:52

EeeSkwa wrote on 07/09/13 at 18:33:35:

Well....one rebuilt starter and a new starter solenoid and 8 months of frustration finally overcome. She works! Runs better than ever (thanks to several new parts too), and I couldn't be happier. Perfect time of year. Thanks to anyone who helped here. Grin

Congrats, and thanks for the update!

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