Gotta rush this morning, so please excuse the brevity.  There is a story on Yahoo this morning about Adam Lanza, and photos of him.  If what the story says is true, this kid should have been either in a mental institution or very closely watched for the past few years.  He also owned thousands of dollars worth of violent video games which he played all day long- guess who is responsibile for that?

Srinath -

Again, goptta run for a trip, so excuse brevity.
Yes, the costs of runing modern mental institutions is very high.  One thing that never works, but it's a shame that it doesn't, is that parents and other family members need to be realistic about persons in their families who are mentally ill, don't be in denial, don't think you can make them normal yourself, and don't have dangerous things around.
This guy killed his mother first, and probably would have done that with a kitchen butcher knife - I know, that isn't the same as 20 kids, but even leaving him access to something like a butcher knife is nuts when you have a bozo like this kid in your midst.
First and foremost we have to recognize and deal appropriately with the mentally ill - I've heard your arguments about the cost of ammo, but he could have even strangled the mother with a short rope, as he killed her in her sleep.

There is no evidence that states she did not secure her firearms.


--Steve

We know he killed her.
Did he then pick her pocket for the key to the vault?
Or a key to a cable lock?
Were the guns secured in a safe?
Did he force entry into the safe?
Were there even cable locks?
If so did he cut the cables off?
Drill out the locks?

I highly doubt she forced a firearm into her son's hands and said "Ok, now kill me and go on a rampage."


--Steve

A kitchen knife murder is messy ... killing a person and getting into a car and driving 5 miles to a school ... you're gonna be spotted @ the door ... hey who's that clown covered in blood ... someone call the cops, while I take a video with my cellphone and post to facebook.

Now he killed his momma with her gun ... there fore its definitely "guns not secured"

No one is stopping the near 5000 gun related deaths that will occour in 2013 (stats that have been blocked by the NRA BTW, how many accidents, how many murders, how many suicides, how many mass killings by lunatic etc etc) $100 bullet tax will get that 5k to say 1000 .... 1500. You remember the phrase "he's not worth it" truly, will mean something.

Cool.
Srinath.

Bullet tax? That is about as stupid as the cigarette tax, people are still smoking.. Then the only people shooting will be rich folk, or people will stash ammo stockpiles before the tax goes into effect? Some have already done exactly that..

 If your gun winds up in the hands of someone who kills you, your gun is NOT SECURE PERIOD! These are case's of mentally ill people getting their hands on a weapon, it isn't rocket science. Colorado is putting out laws that govern ALL arm sales, even private, expanded background checks to include mental health. It should be interesting to see how they plan to enforce.. ONE gun shop in C/S Colo, sold over 750 guns since the government started to push gun laws, over 7000 background checks pending right now.. Its called fear peddling, its what the NRA does best..

 I have owned guns my whole life, they are nothing more than a tool. Some people treat them like a status symbol, some people have to own every type of weapon they can afford. My guns stay in my locked safe, my pistol comes out at night and is within easy reach, it goes back in the safe in the morning, then into my waistband during my morning dog walk, then back into the safe.. I fire it once every month in practice, I fire one of my rifles in practice in that same period, then they are cleaned and oiled, go back into the safe.

  I once had my safe malfunction during a carpet instalation, it took me eight hours to get into it, which included laying the safe on its top and balancing it while I went in through a floor panel.. And its a cheap safe! I can't see a autistic kid doing what myself and my son in law had to do, and if the safe was still bolted to the floor like mine usually was (Carpet install had me move it out of closet), even worse..

  I'll be perfectly honest, pro-gun people (NRA) piss me off just as bad as Anti-gun people! Its liking to a kid caught with their hands in the cookie jar, then bitching because they can't get enough cookies in their pockets. Then the anti-gun people live in their own little world, they have never owned a weapon, and would crap their draws if they ever had to defend themselves, or put grocerys on the table without a store clerk... I have no use for either! Both sides are making up statistics, both sides are puffed up, both are part of the problem, not the solution!

Paraquat wrote on 02/20/13 at 06:10:43:


  Yes, they are making a statement, kinda stupid really.. You can no longer sell ONE of your products in the state of manufacter, so you move your whole operation? All I can say is adios...

I equally applaud their efforts.
One of their big selling points is that they are designed and made in the USA.



I'm playing by the rules.
If you're going to change the rules halfway through the game I'm taking my ball and going home.




--Steve