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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #45 - 01/23/13 at 11:20:05

"Confiscating ALL magazines holding more than 10 rounds."

Show me word for word (transcript) where he says this....perhaps the wording was "limiting" new magazines to ten rounds or less (like it used to be).

It's a psychological ploy. The word "confiscate" is one more buzz word designed to elicit a knee-jerck reaction of fear, anger and panic among those who's gun collecting goes beyond what is considered by most to be 'normal'.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #46 - 01/24/13 at 02:53:33

srinath wrote on 01/23/13 at 11:17:59:

State level, city level and county level and gun free zone Bull does not work.
Your state may be run by a retard ... or your city or your school ...
Whatever is going to be done has to be nation wide, and we need to get canada and mexico to go along. Then we need to wait for the excess to get itself flushed out.

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So what do you do when those running DC are retards as well ?
That's called "out of the frying pan and into the fire".

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #47 - 01/24/13 at 03:01:07

Starlifter wrote on 01/23/13 at 11:20:05:

"Confiscating ALL magazines holding more than 10 rounds."

Show me word for word (transcript) where he says this....perhaps the wording was "limiting" new magazines to ten rounds or less (like it used to be).

It's a psychological ploy. The word "confiscate" is one more buzz word designed to elicit a knee-jerck reaction of fear, anger and panic among those who's gun collecting goes beyond what is considered by most to be 'normal'.

Nope, it's been all over the news about the new law just passed in NY, rammed through almost over night, which apparently violited their own law of requiring so many days for review before calling for a vote.
Their new law limits ammo magazines to 7 bullets and does not grandfather all the magazines in current existence. So all current magazines holding more than 7 bullets must be turned in to be destroyed. One of their ERRORS was to exempt police from the new law. As of now, the police are breaking the law along with everyone else. OOOOOPPPPSSSSS.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #48 - 01/24/13 at 03:09:55

bill67 wrote on 01/23/13 at 05:41:32:

Yes I believe in freedom of speech too.The next time I go to the dollar store,I'm going to tell the cute girl at the check out she has a nice a$$ and tits too,Do you want to f--k.See theres a limit to the 1st and 2nd amendment of whats right to do.

You have every right to say that if you wish.
She has every right to kick your b__lls up into your throat in response as well.
That is not a "RIGHTS" issue, it is a common courtesy & wisdom issue.
Come on dude, surely you can frame a more logical response than that.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #49 - 01/24/13 at 06:01:34

LANCER wrote on 01/24/13 at 03:09:55:

bill67 wrote on 01/23/13 at 05:41:32:

Yes I believe in freedom of speech too.The next time I go to the dollar store,I'm going to tell the cute girl at the check out she has a nice a$$ and tits too,Do you want to f--k.See theres a limit to the 1st and 2nd amendment of whats right to do.

You have every right to say that if you wish.
She has every right to kick your b__lls up into your throat in response as well.
That is not a "RIGHTS" issue, it is a common courtesy & wisdom issue.
Come on dude, surely you can frame a more logical response than that.

Hell no, kicking you balls isn't her right, her right is to call the cops and have your balls hauled off to jail. There is plenty of restrictions to the first amendment including this bill mentioned.
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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #50 - 01/24/13 at 06:04:16

LANCER wrote on 01/24/13 at 02:53:33:

srinath wrote on 01/23/13 at 11:17:59:

State level, city level and county level and gun free zone Bull does not work.
Your state may be run by a retard ... or your city or your school ...
Whatever is going to be done has to be nation wide, and we need to get canada and mexico to go along. Then we need to wait for the excess to get itself flushed out.

Cool.
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So what do you do when those running DC are retards as well ?
That's called "out of the frying pan and into the fire".

That wont matter ... city wide bans inherently are flawed, there is the next city over where there is no ban. Nationwide bans and getting canada and mexico to play along is inherently not flawed. Your local retard may try to stop the air from crossing over into his county. Not gonna work. As a continent we have a good chance.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #51 - 01/24/13 at 06:08:02

To Bill67: The right to swing your fist ends where the other's nose begins.

Yes. Confiscate.
Yes. Police are now considered to be in violation.
Sorry that I can be accused of "parroting" LANCER on that.

Srinath:
The problem with a nationwide law like that is that it's unconstitutional IMO.
It violates the 11th amendment.
Similar to how marijuana has been a schedule 1 drug all this time just because the federal government says "It's illegal because it's a schedule 1 drug" with no backing. Look how well that's playing out recently.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #52 - 01/24/13 at 07:00:44

"Confiscate"....Bullsh!t.

So a warrant will be issued for every house, barn, shed, garage, safe-deposit box, and woodpile in America so that your magazines can be confiscated? By who? UN troops in black helicopters?

And what else? round up and arrest all the cops and ship them off to Gitmo?....Such nonsense.

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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment Reply #53 - 01/24/13 at 09:08:22 Starlifter wrote on 01/24/13 at 07:00:44: And what else? round up and arrest all the cops and ship them off to Gitmo?....Such nonsense. According to the NDAA you can. I'm still waiting for your reply over there. --Steve
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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #54 - 01/24/13 at 12:35:57

srinath wrote on 01/24/13 at 06:01:34:

LANCER wrote on 01/24/13 at 03:09:55:

bill67 wrote on 01/23/13 at 05:41:32:

Yes I believe in freedom of speech too.The next time I go to the dollar store,I'm going to tell the cute girl at the check out she has a nice a$$ and tits too,Do you want to f--k.See theres a limit to the 1st and 2nd amendment of whats right to do.

You have every right to say that if you wish.
She has every right to kick your b__lls up into your throat in response as well.
That is not a "RIGHTS" issue, it is a common courtesy & wisdom issue.
Come on dude, surely you can frame a more logical response than that.

Hell no, kicking you balls isn't her right, her right is to call the cops and have your balls hauled off to jail. There is plenty of restrictions to the first amendment including this bill mentioned.
Cool.
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If Bill said that to the girl at the register she could rightfully claim that he was assaulting her, and therefore would have the right to kick his b_lls anywhere she wanted, in self defense of course.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #55 - 01/24/13 at 12:38:23

Paraquat wrote on 01/24/13 at 06:08:02:

To Bill67: The right to swing your fist ends where the other's nose begins.

Yes. Confiscate.
Yes. Police are now considered to be in violation.
Sorry that I can be accused of "parroting" LANCER on that.
No need to be sorry for TRUTH
Srinath:
The problem with a nationwide law like that is that it's unconstitutional IMO.
It violates the 11th amendment.
Similar to how marijuana has been a schedule 1 drug all this time just because the federal government says "It's illegal because it's a schedule 1 drug" with no backing. Look how well that's playing out recently.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #56 - 01/24/13 at 12:48:44

Starlifter wrote on 01/24/13 at 07:00:44:

So a warrant will be issued for every house, barn, shed, garage, safe-deposit box, and woodpile in America so that your magazines can be confiscated?

No, just people who have pissed off the powers that be, but have not broken any laws in doing so. They get harassed until the find some obscure law to bust them on, and this is another one.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #58 - 01/24/13 at 19:50:23

No right is absolute, if they were we wouldn't murder the murderers (I am not against executing evil folks necessarily)....the 2nd amendment, again, insists that a well regulated militia but that seems to be lost. The thought that every fool should carry weapons into schoools or movie theatres is insane (I think). I also do not like automatic weapons, especially handguns because they are hard to use well. Our Connecticut MoM of whacko brough jr to the range so he could learn to shoot well, (is she NRA's Poster Mom)..which brings up interesting issues of weapons control. We are blessed living in a great place and can't manage to live well and satisfied.....sad really.

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Re: What's at the heart of the 2nd Amendment
Reply #59 - 01/25/13 at 07:09:33

Yea there will be all sorts of garbage you have to muddle through courtesy the NRA if you tried to touch any of this with a "Law".

What you need to do is just to raise federal taxes on bullets. And make them cash only purchases. None of which will violate the constitution.

You also tax gun powder, the shells and the rest of the crap you need to make a bullets. The rednecks will then make bullets and we'll have a lot of gun accidents ... that will get the hard core nuts out of the gene pool and we'll be all better off.

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