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Reply #180 - 01/11/13 at 11:10:26

srinath wrote on 01/11/13 at 09:31:24:

Tobacco second hand smoke only kill people after decades. First hand it takes decades. And we really nowadays corral smokers into their own corner of the parking lot. In my office building, there is a big ash tray ~30-40 ft from the door 1/2 way towards the loading docks. Its where you will not even walk, people drive by, but no one has to walk through that zone unless they want to. Is your argument that flimsy ... we are choking smoking out of acceptance and taxing it to death.

The second amendment says militia not military. They dont have a nuclear option, dont have a drone option, nothing ... get rid of military, have militia. Long dead, the US govt killed it. You have a toy you can use to kill unarmed people.

Stabbing spree ... if someone there had a gun ... well it will be the guy using the knife. Why ? cos he has motive. In a free gun society, criminals and the people criminals threaten are usually the first ones to get guns. If none of the people in that area were threatened the ywont have a gun, but the killer for certain will. Why ... he knows he has a need. He knows that morning that he was going to stab people ...

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Speaking of flimsy arguments... you're arguing it's acceptable to kill a lot of people as long as you draw it out over time?
The anti-tobacco movement going public is only recent. These are mainly recent changes implemented within the last decade for the most part.

There was a problem and then it was addressed. Without a complete and total ban on smoking.

You don't believe in crimes of passion?

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Reply #181 - 01/11/13 at 11:18:06

Paraquat wrote on 01/11/13 at 11:10:26:

Speaking of flimsy arguments... you're arguing it's acceptable to kill a lot of people as long as you draw it out over time?
The anti-tobacco movement going public is only recent. These are mainly recent changes implemented within the last decade for the most part.

There was a problem and then it was addressed. Without a complete and total ban on smoking.

You don't believe in crimes of passion?

--Steve

I am not arguing that its better to drag death over time - if people that know smoke inhalation is bad and they prefer to do it anyway, that is a choice. The problem was the tobacco lobby for years and years insisted tobacco was safe and second hand smoke is good for you ... like the NRA does now. You can walk away from a smoker. The education and advertisements teaching people about the dangers of smoking were done @ the tobacco companies expense.

That needs to happen with guns. Pay for security @ every place that is at risk of gun rampages ... and no one is asking for guns bans, I am just taxing them to get security against guns in the hands of the whacko's.

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Reply #182 - 01/11/13 at 11:20:50

Paraquat wrote on 01/11/13 at 11:10:26:

You don't believe in crimes of passion?

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So someone gets loaded up on guns and ammo and walks into a parking lot/movie theater/school and kills a bunch of random people ... from passion ? Really ?

I almost think that "Passion" in that case is defined by the defence in the Colorado case as "Insanity".

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Reply #183 - 01/13/13 at 06:40:14

srinath wrote on 01/11/13 at 11:20:50:

Paraquat wrote on 01/11/13 at 11:10:26:

You don't believe in crimes of passion?

--Steve

So someone gets loaded up on guns and ammo and walks into a parking lot/movie theater/school and kills a bunch of random people ... from passion ? Really ?

I almost think that "Passion" in that case is defined by the defence in the Colorado case as "Insanity".

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But what leads them to going out and getting all loaded up?

Second hand smoke was never an option. Everyone smoked at my old job. I could have quit but I needed the cash.

I can remember going to bars and people smoking in there.

People smoking outside buildings that I have to enter. I still have to walk by them.

My parents were smokers. Maybe I should've jumped out of my crib and crawled away?

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #184 - 01/13/13 at 07:01:46 Had you rather people walk down the street smoking,are military weapons in their hands.
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Greg Serious Thumper Offline Molon Labe Posts: 1251 Southeast PA, uSA Gender:	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #185 - 01/13/13 at 07:26:09 I would rather they had military-looking weapons (because actual military weapons are illegal) in their hands while walking down the street.
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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #186 - 01/13/13 at 08:34:34 bill67 wrote on 01/13/13 at 07:01:46: Had you rather people walk down the street smoking,are military weapons in their hands. It would probably cut down on purse snatchings. --Steve
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Midnightrider Serious Thumper Offline Alliance Member Posts: 3244 Winston Salem, NC	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #187 - 01/13/13 at 16:51:24 The rifles gonns kill you a lot quicker than a pack a day.
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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #188 - 01/13/13 at 20:32:51 Midnightrider wrote on 01/13/13 at 16:51:24: The rifles gonns kill you a lot quicker than a pack a day. My rifle never killed anyone. --Steve
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Midnightrider Serious Thumper Offline Alliance Member Posts: 3244 Winston Salem, NC	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #189 - 01/14/13 at 20:45:39 I was referring to Greg's post. Its not illegal to walk down the street with a rifle. We carry them to gun shops and shooting ranges gun shows, etc. Most states let you strap on a pisol and carry it in a leg holster as long as it isnt concealed. When you try to conceal it thats when all the laws start kicking in.
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Reply #190 - 01/15/13 at 06:39:30

Paraquat wrote on 01/13/13 at 20:32:51:

Midnightrider wrote on 01/13/13 at 16:51:24:

The rifles gonns kill you a lot quicker than a pack a day.

My rifle never killed anyone.

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Yours didn't, neither did mine. But The truth is that it is 40 times more likely to be used against somene in my family - as in me on my wife/kid, or vice versa than it is likely to be against an intruder. 40 times is an average ...

The odds for me are likely more like 20,000 to 1, cos the ones that are likely to be intruders - think there is a biker gang that lives @ my house. The 4-5 bikes 3 cars, beer cans on the bikes, and several random man things leave everyone in no doubt, there cant be 1 man here and do all these activities. My neighbors have had break in's. Me ... touch wood, even tools I have left outside have been left un touched for days.

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Midnightrider Serious Thumper Offline Alliance Member Posts: 3244 Winston Salem, NC	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #191 - 01/15/13 at 07:17:56 Sri it makes me feel a lot better knowing you have a rifle living in Charlotte. A few bikers and a few beers and it can get ugly,
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
Reply #192 - 01/15/13 at 08:55:19

srinath wrote on 01/15/13 at 06:39:30:

Paraquat wrote on 01/13/13 at 20:32:51:

Midnightrider wrote on 01/13/13 at 16:51:24:

The rifles gonns kill you a lot quicker than a pack a day.

My rifle never killed anyone.

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Yours didn't, neither did mine. But The truth is that it is 40 times more likely to be used against somene in my family - as in me on my wife/kid, or vice versa than it is likely to be against an intruder. 40 times is an average ...

The odds for me are likely more like 20,000 to 1, cos the ones that are likely to be intruders - think there is a biker gang that lives @ my house. The 4-5 bikes 3 cars, beer cans on the bikes, and several random man things leave everyone in no doubt, there cant be 1 man here and do all these activities. My neighbors have had break in's. Me ... touch wood, even tools I have left outside have been left un touched for days.

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Seems like we otta just run outta gun owners.. I mite not believe that stat..

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Reply #193 - 01/15/13 at 09:16:19

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According to the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), almost 43.6 million criminal victimizations occurred in 1993, including 4.4 million violent crimes of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault. Of the victims of these violent crimes, 1.3 million (29%) stated that they faced an offender with a firearm.

Handguns are most often the type of firearm used
in crime

According to the Victim Survey (NCVS), 25% of the victims of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault in 1993 faced an offender armed with a handgun. Of all firearm-related crime reported to the survey, 86% involved handguns. BUT LET'S BAN RIFLES

The FBI's Supplemental Homicide Reports show that in 1993 57% of all murders were committed with handguns, 3% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and 5% with firearms where the type was unknown.

The 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates found that violent inmates who used a weapon were more likely to use a handgun than any other weapon; 24% of all violent inmates reported that they used a handgun. Of all inmates, 13% reported carrying a handgun when they committed the offense for which they were serving time.

What types of guns do criminals prefer?

Research by Wright and Rossi in the 1980's found that most criminals prefer guns that are easily concealable, large caliber, and well made. Their studies also found that the handguns used by the felons interviewed were similar to the handguns available to the general public except that the criminals preferred larger caliber guns.

http://www.firearmsid.com/feature%20articles/0900guic/guns%20used%20in%20crim...

http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/top_10_crime_guns.htm
I don't see any "assault weapons" on that page either.

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Reply #194 - 01/15/13 at 09:24:14

The NRA will not let common sense gun bans happen.

However, career criminals dont use the guns to commit massacres. They have a gun, but hope to never use it.

Massacres are done by whacko's using high capacity rifes and automatic weapons that can rain bullets down.

You can stop them form getting their hands on a weapon far easier than stopping a career criminal. However career criminals are very unlikely to give you a sandy hook type pile up.
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