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Reply #315 - 09/28/15 at 18:45:23
 
ZDDP is a metal. It's sacrificial in your engine. It sounds wrong but it lubricates your bearings and gets destroyed instead of your bearings being destroyed. I use Rotella T 15W-40 with 2 ozs. of Redline booster. That's the proper ratio.

Any less and you're not really helping anything.

Any more and the zinc will actually erode the bearing surfaces.
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Reply #316 - 09/28/15 at 18:48:26
 
What a conundrum!
More isn't better
And
Less isn't more.

Something ya just gotta do right..

Phhht, 15-40, neat, barkeep.
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Reply #317 - 09/28/15 at 18:49:51
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/28/15 at 18:48:26:
What a conundrum!
More isn't better
And
Less isn't more.

Something ya just gotta do right..

Phhht, 15-40, neat, barkeep.





so rotella t triple 15w40 without the extra zddp???
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Reply #318 - 09/28/15 at 18:52:25
 
It has zinc already, but not enough.
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Reply #319 - 09/28/15 at 19:30:30
 
DR, my opinion is just an opinion. The 100,000 mile club have experience. I got 20,000 miles on mine, and the first five weren't too crazy, after I did tires, and all the mods, I rode the snot outta that thing. Oil use remained predictable, New oil, low use, as miles added up, oil use increased, change oil, use slows back down,
I couldn't see any sign of wear, the rockers and cam looked fine,
I would run it. Have fun, pay attention to the oil, check it, it can sneak up on ya. Gotta suck to check oil and see it low.

It's popular with big rig drivers. If it's good enough to keep those vicious, brutal engines alive, gotta be good.
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Reply #320 - 09/28/15 at 19:33:32
 
Im just gonna run it "neat" until the next oil change and take a peek under the skirt  Wink
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Reply #321 - 09/28/15 at 20:02:01
 
I run it neat except for the beast which has a new cam in it...
need to boost it for a couple of changes.

Don't run extended mileage and the zddp that comes in rotella is just fine.
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Reply #322 - 09/29/15 at 04:46:05
 
Kris01 wrote on 09/28/15 at 18:45:23:
I use Rotella T 15W-40 with 2 ozs. of Redline booster. That's the proper ratio.

Any less and you're not really helping anything.

Any more and the zinc will actually erode the bearing surfaces.


I believe you are mixing twice as much as you should.  The Rotella T has 1250 ppm of ZDDP in it when poured right from the bottle.  I also believe that anything more than 1,400 ppm of ZDDP is too much.  Adding 1 oz. of Redline ZDDP Booster per "gallon" of oil will result in 1,406 ppm of Zinc....which is at the safe maximum.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345080430

Quote from the following oil test.
"And keep in mind for comparison with the oils below, that earlier oil industry testing has found that above 1,400 ppm, ZDDP INCREASED long term wear, even though break-in wear was reduced. And it was also found that ZDDP above 2,000 ppm, started attacking the grain boundaries in the iron, resulting in camshaft spalling. So, no matter what zinc fans might “believe”, there is such a thing as "too much of a good thing".


http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35836
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Reply #323 - 09/29/15 at 06:16:35
 

What is this sites recommended ceiling for zddp ppm moving forward?  Thanks.

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Reply #324 - 09/29/15 at 06:26:17
 
pg wrote on 09/29/15 at 06:16:35:
What is this sites recommended ceiling for zddp ppm moving forward?  Thanks.


My vote is 1,200 - 1,400 ppm.
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Reply #325 - 09/29/15 at 09:58:38
 
The Rotella T has 1250 ppm of ZDDP in it when poured right from the bottle.

Dave hands out, for free, information about the oil. That stuff just isn't in the oils used in vehicles with cataclysmic perverters, and, that's the most common thing. And diesels use compression to ignite the fuel,, think about the loads on the bearings. And this oil is very popular with diesel mechanics and owners. When I hired a guy to come help me out on the backhoe, he asked about the oil, I said Rotella, his face said more than his mouth. He really didn't expect something old man out in the woods to be on to the best oil out there.
I recently went looking for information about a four wheeler, Kawasaki Bayou,250, and the old guys are running Rotella,,

Can the zddp be boosted? Yes,,
Does it need it?  Depends, define need.. be real, just how many miles do you want to ride it? How many years will the bike last? So, the engine Wil run for twenty five years, will you? Are you willing to keep the rest of it Up, serviceable, for that long, or use it, enjoy it, sell it?


I'm wishing the 100,000 mile guys would chip in. How many years did that take, maintenance required (not battery, brakes, lamps,oil changes  ), additives,

I Saw a beat down, rusty, ugly, ugly Savage, probably fifteen years ago with real close to 100,000 on it. Looking at it, I can't believe it received ANY TLC, oil changes,maybe, oil additives,  Ohhh, I can't imagine it..
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Reply #326 - 09/29/15 at 20:15:45
 
Hmmm, good info Dave. Seems I read on this site that boosting Rotella with 2 ozs caused the Zn to jump to ~1200 ppm. Was Rotella reformulated recently to be higher in Zn than what I thought? Maybe I misread the info in the booster table.
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Reply #327 - 09/29/15 at 20:51:30
 
Ok, I just reread the booster table thread. Seems I was targeting a higher number than I thought. I was thinking I was using 1200 ppm. I was really using ~1500 ppm. I was also (at time of last oil change) breaking in a new engine. It's about time for another oil change now. I'll recant my last statement and say now that I'll be running Rotella T straight. Well, maybe not exactly straight. I'll dilute the remaining 1/2 gallon or so of boosted Rotella with straight Rotella until I use it up.
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Reply #328 - 03/20/16 at 13:28:22
 
I bought a used bike with 16k miles on it. Not knowing how it was taken care of, I want to do my best with it.

Thinking of getting a gallon of the Red Line Synthetic 10w/40 Motorcycle Oil. But it is double the amount of the Rotella. OUCH.
http://www.jpcycles.com/product/607-135

If I understand Moly is NOT recommended to have, but now is nearly impossible not to find it in oils, right?

I still need to do other adjustments to the bike, so if i can save some cash it will help in so many other parts.
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Reply #329 - 03/20/16 at 15:47:09
 
At 16,000, it's time to check the cam chain.
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