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87 savage Full Member Offline Gone riding! Posts: 249 Maine Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #285 - 08/16/13 at 04:53:17 Toroso wrote on 08/15/13 at 18:11:44: How exactly does clutch slip manifest itself? I'm thinking one thing but I could be wrong. Before I switched from mobil1 (for cars) to Rotella, mine would slip in high gear especially when it was cold.
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Reply #286 - 08/16/13 at 05:59:23

87 savage wrote on 08/16/13 at 04:53:17:

Toroso wrote on 08/15/13 at 18:11:44:

How exactly does clutch slip manifest itself? I'm thinking one thing but I could be wrong.

Before I switched from mobil1 (for cars) to Rotella, mine would slip in high gear especially when it was cold.

So when you say 'slip', do you mean that it would behave as if the clutch were being applied?

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Reply #287 - 08/16/13 at 06:38:16

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So when you say 'slip', do you mean that it would behave as if the clutch were being applied?

Yea. In the lower gears It was fully engaged, but in high gear it would slip, rev higher than it should than catch back up. I could actually feel it slipping. It was not as bad once it warmed up and stopped completely when I switched to Rotella.

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Rush-rks Full Member Offline Lurking & Learning Posts: 113 Beckley WV Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #288 - 08/16/13 at 07:13:47 What about suzuki's oil is it good enough? I could't find any specs on it this what I used when I changed the oil when I first got the bike last month..far as I know it seems to work well. http://www.suzukicycles.com/Accessories/suzuki%20oil%20_%20chemicals/990A0-10...
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Toroso Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 120 Kingston, TN Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #289 - 08/16/13 at 08:04:13 I just wanted to clarify what clutch slipping was. I am using the product below and have had no clutch slip as of yet. Web Page for the product : http://www.hyperlube.com/Zinc-Replacement-Additive-c7.html
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Reply #290 - 08/16/13 at 15:16:26

Rush-rks wrote on 08/16/13 at 07:13:47:

What about suzuki's oil is it good enough? I could't find any specs on it this what I used when I changed the oil when I first got the bike last month..far as I know it seems to work well.

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Accessories/suzuki%20oil%20_%20chemicals/990A0-10...

I'm sure it is a fine oil if Suzuki is putting thier name on it. Not sure if it has enough zddp in it though? The experienced folks on this forum recommend 1200 - 1500 ppm total zddp. There is a good blend table Boule'tard did that will help to get the right amount in the crankcase.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345080430

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Reply #291 - 08/16/13 at 15:21:25

Toroso wrote on 08/16/13 at 08:04:13:

I just wanted to clarify what clutch slipping was. I am using the product below and have had no clutch slip as of yet.

Web Page for the product :

http://www.hyperlube.com/Zinc-Replacement-Additive-c7.html

Toroso, the zddp additive should not cause slipping, using the wrong oil will. Just need to make sure the oil has at least the Jaso MA rating, which is a rating for oils used with wet clutches like in the savage.

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Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS
Reply #292 - 08/16/13 at 17:13:32

87 savage wrote on 08/16/13 at 15:21:25:

Toroso wrote on 08/16/13 at 08:04:13:

I just wanted to clarify what clutch slipping was. I am using the product below and have had no clutch slip as of yet.

Web Page for the product :

http://www.hyperlube.com/Zinc-Replacement-Additive-c7.html

Toroso, the zddp additive should not cause slipping, using the wrong oil will. Just need to make sure the oil has at least the Jaso MA rating, which is a rating for oils used with wet clutches like in the savage.

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The product page clearly says "Hy-Per Lube Zinc Replacement Additive contains an exclusive Polymer Ester formula".

This clearly puts the product in the category of oil additives that thicken your oil using long polymer chain compounds to do that -- oil thickeners as a class are NOT recommended by their manufacturers for use in wet clutch engines. Ask these Hyperlube people directly on the wet clutch issue and post us all back what they say back to you.

JASO, please remember has changed on us again. The MA rating has changed its meaning twice since it first came out. An MA rating currently can be granted to any oil that tests for MA2 and fails on up to two points of the test but passes all the rest. Being used as a "catch all rating" or partially failed rating to the other newer ratings means that MA has no real meaning to us Savagers much at all much any more. Shame on that, it used to mean something.

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The real answer is -- read the recommended oil list and use an oil that is on it.

If you want to bump your ZDDP use a recommended bump agent that is on the list.

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Reply #293 - 08/16/13 at 18:28:05

87 savage wrote on 08/16/13 at 15:16:26:

Rush-rks wrote on 08/16/13 at 07:13:47:

What about suzuki's oil is it good enough? I could't find any specs on it this what I used when I changed the oil when I first got the bike last month..far as I know it seems to work well.

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Accessories/suzuki%20oil%20_%20chemicals/990A0-10...

I'm sure it is a fine oil if Suzuki is putting thier name on it. Not sure if it has enough zddp in it though? The experienced folks on this forum recommend 1200 - 1500 ppm total zddp. There is a good blend table Boule'tard did that will help to get the right amount in the crankcase.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345080430

That's what I cant seem to find out if it has enough zddp or not?

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NHLycan Junior Member Offline Nice forum! Posts: 86 New Hampshire Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #295 - 09/17/13 at 18:04:06 I think I have e everything I need except the $1 aluminum baking pan. Filter, replacement washer seal, T6, Redline. Check check check check.
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18139 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #296 - 09/18/13 at 04:50:40 NHLycan wrote on 09/17/13 at 18:04:06: I think I have e everything I need except the $1 aluminum baking pan. Filter, replacement washer seal, T6, Redline. Check check check check. You also need a refreshing beverage of your choice!
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Rush-rks Full Member Offline Lurking & Learning Posts: 113 Beckley WV Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #297 - 10/02/13 at 08:52:25 Changed mine last night. Old paint pan works good too fits and holds the old oil nicely. Used Rotella in the white jug and 2 oz of redline in the jug. So far bike seems to like it
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28848 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #298 - 10/02/13 at 09:40:56 If you cover the exhaust pipe with a piece of tinfoil,.. it will keep oil off the pipe and make clean-up easier after a filter change... ...
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Rush-rks Full Member Offline Lurking & Learning Posts: 113 Beckley WV Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #299 - 10/02/13 at 10:17:24 Serowbot wrote on 10/02/13 at 09:40:56: If you cover the exhaust pipe with a piece of tinfoil,.. it will keep oil off the pipe and make clean-up easier after a filter change... ... Now I'll know next time ! Good idear..
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