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mscepu101,

You may garner from the humorous comments above that oil level is like oil brands around here, subject to much energetic and humorous bantering.

Suzuki has a checking method they recommend that is somewhat labor intensive and leaves you with a certain amount (small) of oil reserve.  

On new bikes that use no oil, this is fine.  Do it the book way.  Newbies still have great faith in books like Clymers and user manuals and stuff like that.

Once you have rubbed the sharp corners off your new S40 with some user miles (over 10,000 of them) and begin to use a little oil you will begin to appreciate the old timers point of view on this subject, which is to fill the bike on the side stand so you can see it peeping over the bottom edge of the window.

(yes Virginia - this is overfilled to the book method).

But now, in order for this here "oil fill war" to start itself up all properly like, all somebody has to do is state that the book method is the right and proper way and state some reason as to why that is (even the old hack about Suzuki engineers knowing what they are talking about will do).



Them eager bored boys is all ready and waiting, everyone has answered the roll call and they all has their kevlar kit on .....

I love my Clymers manual -- but mine is fully annotated with lots of reality notes and has corrections written in for all the many goof ups that the list has uncovered the hard way.


And we HAVE to have newbies, no one experienced will crank off a good boredom-killing discussion unless a newbie steps on a land mine first and blows his leg off .....


                                                                        hee hee hee,  silly newbie



..... first you stop the arterial bleeding then you can start discussing the points at hand.



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A point at hand then,    manual sez 2.5 quarts goes in at an oil change.

Well, when you use the low window to mid-window on the side stand method, guess about how much oil you got in there?  

Yup, about 2.5 quarts, give or take.

And it ain't gonna fit in there if you are upright, no way no how.

So which one was the Suzuki/Clymer's goof this time -- the amount of oil or the inspection method?

Oh my goodness .... we done got us a billistic agent provocateur


You know if you provoke them billisms HE will appear and sprinkle red magic fairy dust over this discussion, don't you?

Klotz being red shows up really good in the oil window,Just another of its many benefits.

After 4000 miles with the same Klotz the oil hasn't changed color at all,Its just as clean as the day I put it in,The reason better ring to wall seal,Without out that your oil will get dirty.

..... and for you Bill, I have a dirty rotten trick question.  

If Klotz provides a better piston ring to wall seal, is the Klotz moving with the piston ring like a surface coating or is it staying unaffected on the cylinder wall with the piston rings jest sliding over the top of it?

..... we only got one piston in our engine Bill, and I don't think we have been talking about the rubber cup piston in the master cylinder, now have we?

Are you perhaps confusing this with your Klotz fork oil?    In which case that would be pistons (2) because we have two down tubes on the front forks.  

But no, I think Verslagen was talking about Klotz engine oil turning black to which you replied .....


"After 4000 miles with the same Klotz the oil hasn't changed color at all,Its just as clean as the day I put it in,The reason better ring to wall seal,Without out that your oil will get dirty."



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and to further confuse you, let's get back to the question on the table ....

Back to the question on the table -- which one is the Suzuki/Clymer goof this time?   The amount of oil or the inspection method?