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Reply #60 - 09/05/10 at 11:16:10

mick wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:05:08:

He said he had a nice time the day before seeing the whole family.
I sat on the bed with him,his eyes closed ,his monitor was steady,he said several times "Lets go" .................."Lets go", he never opened his eyes again as far as I know. I was not there when he just went to sleep,his nurse told me it was absolutly painless . he just went to an extended sleep.

Is that what he said mick? "Lets go"? which is a contraction of 'let us go'
Would he have just repeated himself as earlier, "time to go" if he were going by himself?
Which brings to my question, who did he go with?

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Reply #61 - 09/05/10 at 11:29:30

verslagen1 wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:16:10:

mick wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:05:08:

He said he had a nice time the day before seeing the whole family.
I sat on the bed with him,his eyes closed ,his monitor was steady,he said several times "Lets go" .................."Lets go", he never opened his eyes again as far as I know. I was not there when he just went to sleep,his nurse told me it was absolutly painless . he just went to an extended sleep.

Is that what he said mick? "Lets go"? which is a contraction of 'let us go'
Would he have just repeated himself as earlier, "time to go" if he were going by himself?
Which brings to my question, who did he go with?

I guess we will never know for sure,he was an atheist ,perhaps the devil himself. or any one that promised him a motorcycle.

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Reply #62 - 09/05/10 at 11:35:56

Vers,it was an old habit,before he went into surgery he always said "lets go" .. I just asked my Sister she said he was always in a hurry ,no matter the situation it was always "lets go lets go "
He hated just waiting around, he walked of of many doctors offices,they knew after a while if my Dad had a 9:30 appointment that is the time you call him in.

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Reply #63 - 09/05/10 at 11:43:30

mick wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:29:30:

I guess we will never know for sure,he was an atheist ,perhaps the devil himself. or any one that promised him a motorcycle.

Looks to me that even if you don't believe in god, you do believe in ghosts. My sister occupies a 100 year old chicken ranch. My grandfather bought intending to retire there, never made it. Some 30 years after his death, grandma is in the grips of the last stages of alzheimers. My sis says grandpa spoke to her, gave her a message to tell grandma, "I'm waiting for you"

So, no matter what you believe mick, there's a place to go, and you have a choice of when and with whom you go with.

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: this one for believers,are there any left ? Reply #64 - 09/05/10 at 11:54:26 After my wife died I spend many hours at the cemetery seeing if she are some of my relatives would speak to me. After about 5 weeks someone spoke to me it wasn't a relative. It was the guy mowing the lawn,He said if you don't get out of my way you will be the next one buried here.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28375 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: this one for believers,are there any left ? Reply #65 - 09/05/10 at 12:28:19 bill67 wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:54:26: He said if you don't get out of my way you will be the next one buried here. ... If I were a wandering spirit,... you'd find me in the ladies shower at the fitness club... Probably a lot of spirits there... ...
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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: this one for believers,are there any left ? Reply #66 - 09/05/10 at 22:46:39 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:12:23: I cannot believe in a god that want's to be praised all the time" Finally, something to actually think about. Ill be interested to see how other believers address this. Im gonna need some time to think about it. it's not praise, it's love
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: this one for believers,are there any left ? Reply #67 - 09/05/10 at 22:54:43 Its fear
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Reply #68 - 09/05/10 at 23:02:24

LostArtist wrote on 09/05/10 at 22:46:39:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:12:23:

I cannot believe in a god that want's to be praised all the time"

Finally, something to actually think about. Ill be interested to see how other believers address this. Im gonna need some time to think about it.

it's not praise, it's love

coming from the middle of the bible belt (Texas) your answer doesn't count,you have all been brainwashed for too long.
Or I could say I cannot believe a god that needs so much love all the time,he must have a very low oppinion of himself.
Ever been out with a girl that asks "do you love me" ? all the time,
drives you nuts don't it ?

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Reply #69 - 09/05/10 at 23:41:58

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it's not praise, it's love

...but, time and again,... it is demanded...
I mean,... an all powerful being would perhaps accept it,...
...but not demand it...

... an all powerful being would have no need...

Most atheist's call themselves agnostic,... you know, just in case...
Like you can, maybe,... fool a god...
I'm an agnostic that calls himself atheist,... just looking for a whiff of proof... I've never got a one...
...but, I'm not so stupid as to think I could lie to a real god... so,... atheist it is...
I just don't believe...

I think most "believers" are only covering their asses, and are really agnost's...
Why would any priest molest a child, or evangelist preacher have sex with a male masseuse or boy-toy? or steal from the needy, or embezzle funds?... or have a fling with a young innocent?...
If I really believed,... you could disassemble me, bone by bone, and I'd never give in...( but, I don't, so don't touch me or I'll kill ya')...(funny too, how many bible folk love guns)...
...not knockin' guns,... I have some, and can use them very proficiently,... but, if I believed in an immortal soul, I would be more forgiving... (yunno',...just in case)...

I think most any atheist,... given an ounce of real evidence, would flip on a dime, and believe...
... but, the question is... would a believer do the the same?... or,... just continue to cover their ass... just in case...
Like any real god would buy that anyway.... Huh

...

Really,... can you fool a god?....

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Reply #71 - 09/06/10 at 06:05:38

"There are no proofs of God's existence -- only witnesses."

I can't pin down this quote -- it's either Soren Kierkegaard or Abraham Joshua Heschel.

Actually, there's no shortage of smart people who are believers. As well as Soren and Abe, there's Reinhold Niebuhr, Martin Buber and a whole bunch of others whose books are darned difficult to read. I still haven't decided whether Alan Watts was a "believer" or not. He was an Episcopal minister, but he was also one of the folks who brought Eastern philosophies to us Western audiences.

Oh yeah, this guy: Bradley Artson: http://www.ajula.edu/content/ContentUnit.asp?CID=956&u=1400&t=0

Here's a quote:

One cannot consider the existence of God from a neutral position. One can act as a believer and see if the promises made to a believer are true, or one can act as a non-believer and judge the merit of non-belief. Experience is rich and divergent enough, filled with wonders and horrors to the point that it's testimony is eloquent in both directions--regardless of one's religious assertions.

Here's a link to the whole discussion:

http://judaism.ajula.edu/Content/ContentUnit.asp?CID=1525&u=6721&t=0

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Reply #72 - 09/06/10 at 08:23:07

Let's consider this:
The caterpillar knows all there is to know about eating leaves, and spinning a cocoon.
Then he dies.

The butterfly knows all there is to know about flying from flower to flower, and finding another butterfly to mate with.
Then she dies.

We all know the puffy caterpillar becomes a beautiful butterfly, but do they know about each other?
They certainly don't.
Actually, not only do they NOT know about each other, they can't even see each other, because each has senses to live in its own world.

Only we know better.

Now, anybody on this Forum willing to prove there's nothing other than this world?

The Qabalah describes a world in 10 dimensions, each one a manifestation of one revelation of spirituality.

You only have to try, and read it.

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: this one for believers,are there any left ? Reply #74 - 09/06/10 at 09:34:29 LostArtist wrote on 09/06/10 at 09:26:36: bill67 wrote on 09/05/10 at 22:54:43: Its fear that's sad Lost be good now are the devil will get you.
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