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Reply #15 - 02/16/07 at 05:18:34

Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

There's some nice pictures in this thread.:
http://www.ls-650.de/community/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168393837;start=all

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I've been looking through the SSM and I haven't found any dimensions or specs that relate to the tensioner or the guides. Are there any on your site?

The ONLY thing in the SSM is the chain stretch measurement.

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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #17 - 02/16/07 at 05:50:52 Quick question...off topic but Does anyone know why the site filters would block my photo with a file name like this? "CamChainTensioner_1514" My photo wouldn't appear until I changed that name. Even better still, it doesn't block it when just typed like that
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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #18 - 02/16/07 at 06:00:41

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Quick question...off topic but

Does anyone know why the site filters would block my photo with a file name like this?

"CamChainTensioner_1514"

My photo wouldn't appear until I changed that name. Even better still, it doesn't block it when just typed like that Tongue

A: File name could be too long?
B: Doesnt like the underscore for an image file?
C: It thinks its a silly name?

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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #19 - 02/16/07 at 09:19:26

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/CamChainGermany.jpg

Here is what I just found inside my case...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/CamChainGMD_1503.jpg

Thanks.

Why is the angle so different between the tensioner in the first picture and the second.. it seems to me that if you straighten out the top tensioner they would be almost alike.
And another question.. and please don't call me stupid if it is totally unrealistic... but.. the back plate. if I understand it right, it pushes onto the chain to "tension it".. why not do something to that instead of rigging up a hole new system.. just shorten the plate.. drill a new hole and wolla the tensioner is back in its holster.. and you are good to go some 1000 miles...

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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #20 - 02/16/07 at 10:08:24

Fat Bastard wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Why is the angle so different between the tensioner in the first picture and the second.. it seems to me that if you straighten out the top tensioner they would be almost alike.
And another question.. and please don't call me stupid if it is totally unrealistic... but.. the back plate. if I understand it right, it pushes onto the chain to "tension it".. why not do something to that instead of rigging up a hole new system.. just shorten the plate.. drill a new hole and wolla the tensioner is back in its holster.. and you are good to go some 1000 miles...

I think that if you follow the link in the first post by Kropatchek, you'll see the reason for the difference. My top picture comes from that site.

A second hole is an idea, but maybe after I post a pic of the chain guide you'll see one small problem with that idea. There is an offset in the plate, plus the back of the plate has a welded nut. Might not be able to move the hole very much.

The German site has a fix option posted too...

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Kropatchek Serious Thumper Offline Why more than 1 cylinder? Posts: 1457 Alphen a/d Rijn Netherlands Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #21 - 02/17/07 at 09:57:31 Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02: BTW - did anyone notice the temperature gauge in the oil filler hole http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/CamChainGermany.jpg Thats the one I installed one year ago, works fine! Greg, what do you mean by SSM? Greetz Kropatchek
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TVR_FSO Serious Thumper Offline I'm Ya Huckleberry.... Posts: 870 Frisco, Texas Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #22 - 02/17/07 at 11:28:51 Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02: Thats the one I installed one year ago, works fine! Greg, what do you mean by SSM? Greetz Kropatchek Suzuki Service Manual perhaps?
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #23 - 02/17/07 at 14:12:47 TVR_FSO wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02: Suzuki Service Manual perhaps? Perhaps right!
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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #24 - 02/17/07 at 22:21:13

TVR_FSO wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

A: File name could be too long?
B: Doesnt like the underscore for an image file?
C: It thinks its a silly name?

I use the file name with the underscore & image number from the camera because that way I can find my original proof if I need it.

I just tried another one with the name CamChainTensioner_1565 and it won't post that either. I changed the name to CamChainAsy_1565 and here it is. What's up with the word Tensioner or a combination of those letters? Must be a pregnant dog thing.

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Kropatchek Serious Thumper Offline Why more than 1 cylinder? Posts: 1457 Alphen a/d Rijn Netherlands Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #25 - 02/18/07 at 06:12:03 TVR_FSO wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02: Suzuki Service Manual perhaps? Thanks a bunch! Greg too!
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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #26 - 02/18/07 at 06:14:33

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

I use the file name with the underscore & image number from the camera because that way I can find my original proof if I need it.

I just tried another one with the name CamChainTensioner_1565 and it won't post that either. I changed the name to CamChainAsy_1565 and here it is. What's up with the word Tensioner or a combination of those letters? Must be a pregnant dog thing.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/CamChainAsy_1565.jpg

Might have to experiment with the number of characters. My only guess is the first one is 22 characters, the second is 16.

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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #27 - 02/18/07 at 07:13:20

Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Thanks a bunch! Greg too!

Okay...here's the thing. The SSM says to measure 20 links in the cam chain to check for stretch...and as you can see, I don't have the headcover off and the cam chain removed, yet. All that I have is the tensioner and guide removed...

Also, the wear on the chain guide looks really minor. No cracks, and just a couple of really shallow grooves near the bottom end. They are less than 1 MM.

What could be worn out at this point? I bet there is about 8-10 MM of travel remaining on the tensioner.

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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #28 - 02/19/07 at 04:32:18

Greg, If you can remember the other threads about the camchain
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;n...
And
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;n...

It's still not clear where the wear is.
If you like wrenching ( and have the time) you can do 3 things:
1) replace the chain with a new one and measure the
extension of the tensioner.
2) replace the guide only and measure the tensioner
extension
3) replace both the chain and the guide and measure
the tensioner extension

Measurement: the cilindrical portion of the tensioner sticking outof the housing.

Let us know pls
Greetz
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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #29 - 02/19/07 at 05:02:03

Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Greg, If you can remember the other threads about the camchain
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;n...
And
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;n...

It's still not clear where the wear is.
If you like wrenching ( and have the time) you can do 3 things:
1) replace the chain with a new one and measure the
extension of the tensioner.
2) replace the guide only and measure the tensioner
extension
3) replace both the chain and the guide and measure
the tensioner extension

Measurement: the cilindrical portion of the tensioner sticking outof the housing.

Let us know pls
Greetz
Kropatchek Grin

I'm sure that I have read those other threads, but that's the thing. I haven't seen measurements except for the chain.

As you can tell from the photos I'm posting, I'm in the engine right now just because of my curiosity. I've already gotten the rear guide out, and the cam chain and other guide comes out today. I'll measure all of them.

Honestly though, I don't want to buy new ones just to measure them... Tongue

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to just measure the guides at the bottom and know what was worn without removing the headcover and cam?

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