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Reply #15 - 06/03/05 at 10:21:37
 
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Reply #16 - 06/03/05 at 10:26:54
 
Yeah, I have the tappet wrenches and feeler gauges but am awaiting delivery of the wrench.  I ordered one yesterday.

Oh yeah, when I ordered the feeler gauges from BikeBandit, they backordered it and then sent a single gauge instead of the set of 6.  Don't use the email address for customer care - use their email tool on their site.  Once I actually got their attention, they fixed the error quickly.  They didn't want to bother with getting the 1 extra gauge back either - not that it'd be worth the shipping for a $4 item.  Just an FYI.
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Reply #17 - 06/03/05 at 12:49:15
 
Angled feeler gauges?  D@mn, you guys got it too easy.  I keep forgetting and so when I need to do this, I end up doing it the hard way with straight ones.

The range is .003"-.005" and I always snug the rocker with a .005" feeler, and remove.  Then when I completely tighten the 10 MM nut it just about always closes up to .004"....and middle works for me.
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Reply #18 - 06/04/05 at 02:00:13
 
Like my SR500 but with twice the number of valves.

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Reply #19 - 06/04/05 at 03:02:11
 
Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
Angled feeler gauges?  D@mn, you guys got it too easy.  I keep forgetting and so when I need to do this, I end up doing it the hard way with straight ones.

The range is .003"-.005" and I always snug the rocker with a .005" feeler, and remove.  Then when I completely tighten the 10 MM nut it just about always closes up to .004"....and middle works for me.
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Nice picture
But do you remove the engine to set the valve clearence?

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Reply #20 - 06/04/05 at 05:55:54
 
Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
Nice picture
But do you remove the engine to set the valve clearence?

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Oh, did I forget to mention that?  It isn't mentioned in the manual either.

Only remove the engine if you want to take really clear pictures.  Otherwise, it is much easier to adjust the valves with the engine installed   Shocked
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Reply #21 - 06/08/05 at 18:23:50
 
Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
The wrench and screwdriver will probably work but with the limited space, I thought I'd prefer the specialized tools like the Motion Pro Tappet Tool Set.  Oh, and the feeler gauges and timing plug wrench make the job easier.


Okay, evaluation time...
While the tappet toolset might be fun on some other engines (or this one if it's out of the frame), I couldn't seem to get it into where it was needed.  An open end wrench and an offset screwdriver were what I used.  The feeler gauges worked fine, though I'm glad I had two of each size because I had to bend the handles slightly to get them into place.  The timing cover wrench is a good investment.

TDC was at about 3 o'clock on mine and I'd guess that's probably standard.  I'm pretty sure this was the first time the valves were adjusted and they were TIGHT - I mean no gap at all.  It took between 3/4 and 1 full turn out to open a gap.  I set them snug on .005 and once tightened, they were at .003.  Just my experiences this time.  I hope this helps someone else.  If any of this sounds horribly wrong to anyone, let me know.
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Reply #22 - 06/08/05 at 20:23:02
 
So if they were dang near closed up you had no clicking to worry with - so was it missing or anything after it got hot before the adjust?
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Reply #23 - 06/08/05 at 20:41:23
 
No, I was retorquing the head cover bolts at TDC and just figured it was time to adjust 'em while I was in there.  I must admit the instructions in the Clymer are a little odd - at least to me.  I mean, I see the timing mark and can align it easily enough for TDC - now whether that is TDCC I don't know.  The Clymer says to set it at the mark and then check that all rockers have free play.  Then it goes on to say that if they don't, you should rotate the engine another 180 degrees and check again for free play and to be sure it's on the timing mark again too.  NOW, if it was on the timing mark and I rotate it 180 degrees, it darn sure won't be on the timing mark again.  I'll play with it some more tomorrow and won't crank it until I'm sure I've done it properly but if someone could clarify how to achieve TDCC, it'd be helpful.  I guess I could always pull the plug and insert a dowel to see when the piston rises.  Nah, the piston has to rise on the exhaust stroke too.  Hmmm...  I'll get it one way or another.
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Reply #24 - 06/08/05 at 20:52:41
 
I guess nobody here works on airplane huh?!# How about try do adjust/remove/replace a component by feel only  Angry

I think if you don't have the right tools or the patient, then cough up the mula for the mechanic and let him do it right and save the grief Grin

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Reply #25 - 06/08/05 at 21:00:44
 
SavageDude wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
I guess nobody here works on airplane huh?!# How about try do adjust/remove/replace a component by feel only  Angry

I think if you don't have the right tools or the patient, then cough up the mula for the mechanic and let him do it right and save the grief Grin

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That's no fun and I don't learn anything.  I guess I'll just watch the valves as I turn the engine and see what stroke it's on.
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Reply #26 - 06/08/05 at 21:09:42
 
[glow=red,2,300]That's no fun and I don't learn anything. [/glow]

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So true, so true   Cheesy

Like you said, I watch the valves very closely everytime that 3 o'clock mark line up, if none of them move. I am in TDDC(spelling ???)

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Reply #27 - 06/09/05 at 05:40:00
 
Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
No, I was retorquing the head cover bolts at TDC and just figured it was time to adjust 'em while I was in there.  I must admit the instructions in the Clymer are a little odd - at least to me.  I mean, I see the timing mark and can align it easily enough for TDC - now whether that is TDCC I don't know.  The Clymer says to set it at the mark and then check that all rockers have free play.  Then it goes on to say that if they don't, you should rotate the engine another 180 degrees and check again for free play and to be sure it's on the timing mark again too.  NOW, if it was on the timing mark and I rotate it 180 degrees, it darn sure won't be on the timing mark again.  I'll play with it some more tomorrow and won't crank it until I'm sure I've done it properly but if someone could clarify how to achieve TDCC, it'd be helpful.  I guess I could always pull the plug and insert a dowel to see when the piston rises.  Nah, the piston has to rise on the exhaust stroke too.  Hmmm...  I'll get it one way or another.


Confusing?  Maybe.  There are 2 TDC positions.  One on the exhaust stroke (with the exhaust valves open) and one on the compression stroke with all valves closed.  That is where you want to be.

If you find it easier, you can remove the plug to rotate the engine.  To feel when the valves are free is a matter of touch, though.  Very small movement.  Just watch the valves as you go through a couple revolutions and you'll see where the position is....
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Reply #28 - 06/09/05 at 06:28:38
 
Will do, thanks.  After I thought about it, I figured I could see them move and determine when it was on the compression stroke.  Exhaust forward and intake aft, correct?
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Reply #29 - 06/09/05 at 15:29:17
 
Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:06:
Will do, thanks.  After I thought about it, I figured I could see them move and determine when it was on the compression stroke.  Exhaust forward and intake aft, correct?


That's right.

Did you turn the engine anti clockwise when looking from the left side or did you follow Clymer's instructions ?

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And yes I worked on airplanes and did my share of replacing components and other stuff by feel.
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