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Reply #45 - 02/20/07 at 20:29:18

clueless wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Greg,
You should put this in the tech section. I've been following this thread. Now that I've seen most of it through the pictures, I know what to look for.
Thanks! Grin

Actually I plan to, as soon as stop finding problems and have a chance to sort them out Tongue

I'm also planning to compile a Savage CD in the near future. I hope to arrange it like an addition to a shop manual. I just haven't finished shooting enough.

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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #46 - 02/21/07 at 05:42:58

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Gee, how'd I miss this topic?

Anyway, I'll do a reread and a recheck today (get a magnifier and study the picture too)

So you're saying the .070" or >2 mm will change the adjuster 9 mm?

Hmmm.

Thanks.

Easy, there's too many write-ups on the camchain.
Thanks for the pictures.
Figures are from the German board
Just now someone made a ( theoretical) calculation as follows:
Straight chain lenght 600 mm, lenght extension 0,5 mm.
Then de deflextion in the middle will be 12mm.
http://www.ls-650.de/community/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1171962506
Make sence?

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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #47 - 02/21/07 at 10:34:18

Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Easy, there's too many write-ups on the camchain.
Thanks for the pictures.
Figures are from the German board
Just now someone made a ( theoretical) calculation as follows:
Straight chain lenght 600 mm, lenght extension 0,5 mm.
Then de deflextion in the middle will be 12mm.
http://www.ls-650.de/community/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1171962506
Make sence?

Greetz
Kropatchek Grin

(Längung in mm)^2 +Ausgangslänge^2 = (Längung+Ausgangslänge)^2

Is this anything like a² + b² = c² ???

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Online Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28754 L.A. California Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #48 - 02/21/07 at 12:02:00 Thumper, yes a² + b² = c² But it's how do you apply it. Can anyone give me the distance between the 2 cam gears?
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #49 - 02/21/07 at 12:21:08 verslagen1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02: Thumper, yes a² + b² = c² But it's how do you apply it. Can anyone give me the distance between the 2 cam gears? I am pretty sure that I know how they are using it. Right now all the parts are removed on mine. Hard to measure at the moment
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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #50 - 02/22/07 at 08:30:22

Here's the translation. I did not understand the arrow up and the 2, he means "square".

Längung in mm)^2 +Ausgangslänge^2 = (Längung+Ausgangslänge)^2

a2 + b2 = c2
a - lenghtinscrease in mm ( 0.5)
b - starting lenght ( 600mm)
c - Lenghtincrease+starting lenght

If that's the equation I still don't understand it.

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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #51 - 02/22/07 at 09:12:02

I did some calculations and the numbers are startiling.
If I get some measurements I can confirm it grafically.
I can also determine the amount of cam advancement for a stretched chain. Here's the numbers, please fasten your seat belts...

I'll guess that the total length of chain is 600mm

Max cam chain length is 5.07" or 128.8mm

for the 600mm chain that will be 608.4 and since there isn't a tensioner on the other side the slack will accumulate on one side so 308.4 chain length.

608.4 is the two short sides of the triangle and 300 is the long side.

a² + b² = c²
only works for right triangles and not what we have.

To get a right triangle we can cut it half.
154.2 is now the long side, and 150 is known short side.

154.2² = 150² + b²

or 154.2² - 150² = b²

b = 35.7mm

This is the extention of the tensioner, seems to be twice what is should be.

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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #52 - 02/22/07 at 10:29:50

verslagen1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

I did some calculations and the numbers are startiling.
If I get some measurements I can confirm it grafically.
I can also determine the amount of cam advancement for a stretched chain. Here's the numbers, please fasten your seat belts...

I'll guess that the total length of chain is 600mm

Max cam chain length is 5.07" or 128.8mm

for the 600mm chain that will be 608.4 and since there isn't a tensioner on the other side the slack will accumulate on one side so 308.4 chain length.

608.4 is the two short sides of the triangle and 300 is the long side.

a² + b² = c²
only works for right triangles and not what we have.

To get a right triangle we can cut it half.
154.2 is now the long side, and 150 is known short side.

154.2² = 150² + b²

or 154.2² - 150² = b²

b = 35.7mm

This is the extention of the tensioner, seems to be twice what is should be.

I guess that you still need the center distance of the 2 gears. Then you can bisect them and create a right triangle on each end. I don't think the total length of the chain is as important as the tensioner length. You can disregard the chain wrap outside of the right triangle on the gears.

The intersecting hypotenuses of the 2 right triangles should provide the tensioner travel.

The only missing dimensions are the relative vertical position and the minimum (new) length of the tensioner.

To me, it sounds good anyway Undecided

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Online Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28754 L.A. California Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #53 - 02/22/07 at 11:46:25 If only it would rain for a week or two then I would know for myself. Mine is rapidly approaching 20k so it's time to take a look. I've been looking for the gaskets, found some, where did you get yours? Suzuki or aftermarket?
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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #54 - 02/22/07 at 12:26:28

verslagen1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

If only it would rain for a week or two then I would know for myself. Mine is rapidly approaching 20k so it's time to take a look. I've been looking for the gaskets, found some, where did you get yours? Suzuki or aftermarket?

Before I bought them at the dealer. I think I may get them at Ron Ayers this time.

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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #55 - 02/22/07 at 15:21:49 I tried to measure the center to center distance between the cam shaft and the crankshaft......Sure would have been nice to have a vernier height gage. Anyway... What I got was ~325 mm. Hope that helps.
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Re: In the nick of time
Reply #56 - 02/22/07 at 15:24:48

verslagen1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

If only it would rain for a week or two then I would know for myself. Mine is rapidly approaching 20k so it's time to take a look. I've been looking for the gaskets, found some, where did you get yours? Suzuki or aftermarket?

Well here. I measured the cam chain again. This time for illustration I'm using a metric scale.

Center to center my chain is 128 mm between 21 pins. (Reflective surface is darn hard to shoot Easier to see in a new window.)

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justin_o_guy Ex Member	Re: In the nick of time Reply #57 - 02/23/07 at 18:04:55 I may have overlooked it, but is there a pic of an adjuster that is in the "New" position? That would be handy. And a pic of a tensioner with the chain at "Wo Out" position. I will be poppin th side off Monday most likely.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Online Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28754 L.A. California Gender:	Re: In the nick of time Reply #58 - 02/23/07 at 21:04:11 Greg thanks for the dimension but please one more... with a chain wrapped around the top or bottom gear, what is the dimension from center to center between pins on the chain aka circular pitch. There ought to be a 2:1 ratio between the 2, so give me one and I'll have the other. And Justin, I love pict's, please post.
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justin_o_guy Ex Member	Re: In the nick of time Reply #59 - 02/23/07 at 22:08:31 Guys, I will admit, I only know enough about using a comp to start it & hit a few buttons. Like a car owner who can just add gas & pay someone to change the oil. I do have a digital camera & can load stuff onto the puter. If someone can tell me how to get it to a spot where others can view it that would be cool.
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