What, don't mention the Difference of,
A POTUS saying, "Don't Come".
and a POTUS saying, 'Come In,
        Everyone,
                you will get FREE ...'
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 I already agreed with you in another thread about that topic, I don't need to do that here.

 I am talking about the fact that those photos were not photocshopped.

 Also that I do not think that the best use in every inch of space along the border is fencing.  The equipment needed to bore into rock and blast along the mountains to stop all of the almost zero immigrants passing through that area is not worth the millions upon millions needed to fence mountainous terrain.

 Use the technology that best suits the geography, manpower and usage.  Just as I assess my manpower budget and property type to decide what works best instead of just fencing every inch of my property I want people to stay off of.  Why would I fence an area for 10 times the cost of a light and a camera?


"ASSUME   SPIN !!!!!!!!
Absolutely nothing to do with paying less.
It was all about who's POCKET/s, the money went in to !!!!!!
"


 Yeah.  So you are saying there was corruption, and you do not think if they pay less, as in the actual cost that maybe there wouldn't be money left to line pockets?

 I am only saying that JoG is correct when he states that a border wall is not the end all.  There needs to be other methods utilized, primarily because cost is too high to just toss up a fence and man every inch of it 24 hours a day.  Sensors never fall asleep, go to the bathroom, get sick or accept bribes.  Why the resistance to using something like that?
 
 You are just finding things to argue about.

"But how much do we spend?
For more cars on the road.
more health care for those that will not pay.
More criminal activity.
wealthfare payed to those who never payed in,
Loss taxes to under the table workers.  "


 How much we spend is a nightmare equation in my eyes.  There are tremendous variables involved, but I think when we approach such things we are best to compartmentalize certain known factors.

 Why I question a complete wall is looking just at the cost of securing, transporting and distributing water to the crews needed to get into mountainous terrain and begin the blasting process to move heavy machinery in.  Just the water for the work crew is hundreds of thousands.  

 Then the heavy boring equipment needs to be brought in to drill into rock at millions of additional cost per fence section.  All that for what reason?  Hardly anyone goes through there.  Vehicles can't get through.
A drone crew for about 750k can cover miles and miles of that type of terrain.

 So it's not like I am saying to not build a fence and also not use alternatives.  I am saying in areas where billions are spent to blast through a mountain range and haul in metal fencing we could spend less and still be able to slow illegal passage by other more modern means.  

Eegore
You got me! At least on that point of just a legal out for the border patrol.
Not worth the cost,
And I see your point of the cost of making a wall in impossible places.
Drones could be better used.

I feel people are frustrated at inaction and a over run of people coming in.
However I feel the start of a solution may take a more interesting approach.

Portland and other place were occupied, Federal buildings invaded.
No seemed to care till some crazy guy in a Viking helmet shows' up with friends in the capitol.


Someone mentioned this as a strange  idea.

hypothetically
if the border patrol decided to move lets say uummm. about 20,000 immigrants (a bunch of busses)  to a new camp on the lawn of 1600 Pennsylvania ave.

Might some action on a  bolder policy change over night?

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Sanctuary, Cities !