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Re: New to motorcycling, made a rookie mistake
Reply #15 - 04/05/21 at 18:22:46
 
twhitus wrote on 04/05/21 at 14:57:31:
+1 for a good battery
pushing your bike 5miles home at 2am sucks and will get you multiple interviews with the local police. †was a long night...


Well that sounds officially like a miserable time. I pushed it to the top of the hill and tried pop starting it. All that got me was tired arms and legs.
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Reply #16 - 04/07/21 at 17:37:33
 
Next time just run next to the bike and bump start it in 2nd gear
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Reply #17 - 04/08/21 at 19:25:32
 
Yoshi wrote on 04/07/21 at 17:37:33:
Next time just run next to the bike and bump start it in 2nd gear


Tried and failed, it got my hopes up/came close to starting, but didnít make it
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Re: New to motorcycling, made a rookie mistake
Reply #18 - 04/08/21 at 19:46:42
 
Yoshi wrote on 04/07/21 at 17:37:33:
Next time just run next to the bike and bump start it in 2nd gear



Next time just


JUST,,
Yeah, tried that till I got to the bottom of the hill.



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Re: New to motorcycling, made a rookie mistake
Reply #19 - 04/09/21 at 03:46:51
 
rapatt95 wrote on 04/08/21 at 19:25:32:
Yoshi wrote on 04/07/21 at 17:37:33:
Next time just run next to the bike and bump start it in 2nd gear


Tried and failed, it got my hopes up/came close to starting, but didnít make it


When my bike was stock and pretty new to me, we were riding the bike to dinner and stopped for fuel. †The battery decided it was going to become a weakling and it would not restart the bike.

At the time I was going to the gym daily and I had 165 pounds of healthy human trying to jump start the bike.....and it proved to be impossible. †We were down by the Ohio River and the asphalt parking lot was flat. †If I tried starting the bike in 2nd.....it would just slide the rear tire when I let out the clutch - even when I would bounce on the seat to help improve traction. †If I tried in 3rd gear the engine would turn over - but the engine would fire once and then stall as it was impossible to get the clutch in fast enough to keep the engine from stalling. My wife and I were both pushing and we just could not make it happen. †(When I as young we would often push start our dirt bikes - so the concept is not new to me and the problem was not operator error......I just don't weigh enough to get a proper amount of traction).

My life experiences has shown me that if you need a jump - you look for a ratty car with a laundry basket in the back seat (the fellow in the Lexus is not going to have a set of jumper cables). † We found that car and jump started the bike (car not running), and we rode back home and got the car to go to dinner.

I am not saying it is impossible to push start a Savage - but I am convinced it is beyond the ability of folks who weigh less than 200 pounds and don't have a steep hill to help gain speed.
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Re: New to motorcycling, made a rookie mistake
Reply #20 - 04/09/21 at 05:17:50
 
It you are trying to bump a Savage, it's likely because the battery doesn't have enough juice to turn over the engine. At that point, the battery also doesn't have enough juice to power the ECU through a start either.

It's a waste of time and energy.
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Reply #21 - 04/09/21 at 07:25:59
 
That's why I say

If your batty is
Old
Been subjected to drained dead events

You might want a New one.
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Reply #22 - 04/09/21 at 12:34:56
 
I have successfully bump started my bike twice and failed once. †Second gear seat bounce got it going. †I'm over 250lbs and it was still hard.  My failed attempt was a completely dead battery...no lights, nothing.

If it has enough juice to try and crank, it will have plenty to start it IF you get the wheel to turn over a few times because the starter isn't drawing current. † I think it helps if you catch it while engine is warm. †Not sure, maybe it's just luck. †

If I screw up one more time, I'm getting one of these: https://antigravitybatteries.com/products/micro-starts/sport/
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Reply #23 - 04/09/21 at 16:12:04
 
I have found when trying to push start a bike, press the starter button at the same time you pop the clutch. If there is just a little charge, it will keep the rear wheel from sliding.
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Re: New to motorcycling, made a rookie mistake
Reply #24 - 04/09/21 at 16:37:09
 
verslagen1 wrote on 05/19/12 at 11:38:41:
push starting

there's a trick to doing it, for the old and gimpy, yes I'm talking about myself.
set it up just like you normally start 'cept put the kick stand up, put in 1st
others will say 2nd or 3rd, I say 1st cause when it kicks over it's going to sputter and die if you take the clutch back in.  This way you can leave the clutch in till it runs right.

So, clutch in, stand up, kill switch on, 1st gear, and you're standing beside it.
Now run like heck, don't forget the bike     Grin
jump on and push the starter button and immediately let out the clutch.
as soon as the clutch goes out, it'll lock out the starter so don't worry about letting go of the starter button.  it'll chug chug thump... thump thump thump...

you might want to have it in prime to make sure the bowl is full.

Alternate to pushing the starter button is to rotate the engine to the exhaust stroke.
put it in the big gear, bump it forward until you can rotate the decomp lever by hand.  then it's in the exhaust stroke.  don't forget to put it back into 1st.

DON'T PUSH THE BIKE BACKWARD!!!
This engages the starter clutch, on pre90's bikes this will bust out the starter gear bosses.  On a post90 bike you will hear a twang instead, that's the torque limiter doing its job.

If the lights are on, the starter button method will work.
If you got no lights, use the alternate method.
And if that don't work, in desperation I'd pull the headlight till you get it started.
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