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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: L. Graham says the GOP deserve to get 'destroy Reply #45 - 01/23/21 at 14:48:35 What would happed to someone, who shoots and Kills a person, where their is no fear for life? Quoted Because it needs to be
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Reply #46 - 01/23/21 at 22:02:29

"What would happed to someone,
who shoots and Kills a person,
where their is no fear for life?"

Depends on the laws in the area where the activity took place, the quality of the investigation and the following prosecutorial process.

In CO you do not need to have a fear of death to utilize deadly force, so it's essentially a coin-flip as to what will happen.

The actor has reasonable ground to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury; or

(b) The other person is using or reasonably appears about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling or business establishment while committing or attempting to commit burglary as defined in sections 18-4-202 to 18-4-204 ; or

(c) The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section 18-3-301 or 18-3-302 , robbery as defined in section 18-4-301 or 18-4-302 , sexual assault as set forth in section 18-3-402 , or in section 18-3-403 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 and 18-3-203 .

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Reply #47 - 01/24/21 at 14:03:48

Eegore wrote on 01/23/21 at 22:02:29:

" ... In CO you do not need to have a fear of death to utilize deadly force, ..."

Considering the CO law is, totally IRRELEVANT !

Question is, why can a WH police, shoot and kill someone.
And not meeting the requirements of the DC law, no inquiry.
Could it possibly be, 'ding-dong' & 'Ho-Ho' coming into office, and telling, (because someone else told them), what to NOT do ?

"...In terms of self-defense, D.C. has a law that states a person can defend themselves when they truly believe that they're in danger of bodily harm or death. However, the law also states the person is required to take reasonable measures by stepping back or walking away. ..."

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Reply #48 - 01/24/21 at 15:23:00

So what you mean is specifically in DC, and Law Enforcement, which you left out of your original statement.

What would happed to someone,
who shoots and Kills a person,
where their is no fear for life?

...In terms of self-defense, D.C. has a law that states a person can defend themselves when they truly believe that they're in danger of bodily harm or death. However, the law also states the person is required to take reasonable measures by stepping back or walking away. ...

If you are referring to law enforcement this is completely IRRELEVANT. DCPD and Capital Police do not have to take reasonable measures to "walk away".

So if you mean "a person" that has no civic contract, and specifically in "D.C." then the above is correct. Otherwise you need to use DC law as it applies to law enforcement.

"And not meeting the requirements of the DC law, no inquiry."

Where was it stated that there is no inquiry?

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Reply #49 - 01/24/21 at 15:43:35

This video shows the exercising their Constitutional right of peaceful assembly in which Babbit was killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWMpTHLJXbw&has_verified=1&bpctr=1611533288

Having been in situations where I have to decide if I should pull the trigger I will not comment on the actionable morality of this, also since I do not know DC law and USCP policy regarding the use of force and proximity or property it is not my place to say what should have happened. However I imagine law enforcement in DC are not required by law to walk away.

What I can say is this is not in my opinion a Constitutionally protected action, or protected in any other way that she was engaged in.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: L. Graham says the GOP deserve to get 'destroy Reply #50 - 01/26/21 at 15:47:14 But watching the blm destroying things without consequences was dandy.
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Reply #51 - 01/26/21 at 17:37:17

BLM, ANTIFA, they should be held equally accountable.

Unfortunately prejudice keeps us in a victim mindset a lot of times. To BLM the Proud Boys get away with more crime.

To Proud Boys its BLM that gets away with more crime.

If it was an ANTIFA girl killed in the Capitol there wouldn't be as much scrutiny coming from Trump supporters. That's just how things go.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 8998 Minn Gender:	Re: L. Graham says the GOP deserve to get 'destroy Reply #52 - 01/27/21 at 10:24:51 Eegore wrote on 01/24/21 at 15:23:00: "... Capital Police do not have to take reasonable measures to "walk away" ... " What about 4 Mpls MN police. Don't think they Shot anybody. They just were doing what they were taught to do. And that resulted in, What ? And Jan 6 in DC, resulted in What ?
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Reply #53 - 01/27/21 at 16:40:13

What about 4 Mpls MN police.
Don't think they Shot anybody.
They just were doing what they were taught to do.

If comparisons to CO law is "IRRELEVANT" then I would say comparisons to the other 49 states are as well.

Given my limited knowledge of law enforcement policy I would be very surprised if Capitol Police had directives to "walk away" from crime and criminal activity, no matter what MN police do right or wrong, or if internal investigations are done. It's like saying in CO I saw a law being broken by the police so all police in the country break laws and do not get investigated.

Bottom line is I can't say what the directive in the capitol was that day and I will assume nobody on the forum does either. If I were told by OC "Nobody breaches the stack of chairs" then I imagine I would shoot if I was the lead operator, but I have also never had to fire on civilians in the US. If ROE were left completely open then I might not have, but I can say a video being viewed from the safety of my home provides zero assistance in assessing what I should do if I were in that situation.

"And Jan 6 in DC, resulted in What ?"

I am aware of investigation however you indicate there is not any inquiry.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28760 L.A. California Gender:	Re: L. Graham says the GOP deserve to get 'destroy Reply #54 - 01/27/21 at 19:59:20 capitol police chief: word on the street is there's going to be trouble. I'm going to need the guard. pelosy: suck it up buttercup, they're only republicans, you can handle it.
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Reply #56 - 01/28/21 at 05:52:06

Eegore wrote on 01/27/21 at 16:40:13:

" ... I am aware of investigation however you indicate there is not any inquiry.

Can you provide a path to the news, covering that investigation/inquiry, which is far, Far, FAR above the standard inquiry of every Police shooting ??

Is it 24/7, for over a month like when a cop shot a person in Mpls,
where that person said he had a gun, then reached for something,
when the Cop told him twice not to, (ON TAPE) ???

Was the Cop put on trial by a self admitted DRUNK, (and acquitted) ????

Has her family received several hundreds of thousands of dollars from numerous sources ?????

Has her boyfriend been given the task of being the head of a 12 Million dollar fund ??????

Was her boyfriend on every possible available means of assistance ???????

Please provide the source of your information.

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Reply #57 - 01/28/21 at 09:32:07

"Can you provide a path to the news, covering that investigation/inquiry, which is far, Far, FAR above the standard inquiry of every Police shooting ??"

Lets define what "the standard" is for this topic first. What is it to you, since my standard may differ from yours. To me, my standard for "the news" is zero since it's not regulated or audited and is privately owned. So the assessment that any one topic is equally covered by all "news" sources is simply not anything I would ever consider to happen. It's like asking every trucking company to haul the same items in equal amounts thus neglecting their client base, geographical locations and means of profit.

"Is it 24/7, for over a month like when a cop shot a person in Mpls,
where that person said he had a gun, then reached for something,
when the Cop told him twice not to, (ON TAPE) ???"

What I do know is none of that was covered in CO, since CO has very little incentive to cover MN news. So I would say no there is not 24/7 coverage on any news story in any location on any topic at this time. Is any crime replicated exactly the same including prosecutor's drinking habits, victims families' finances, boyfriend's tasks or means of assistance? Do you really expect any crime to replicate these exact events?

"Please provide the source of your information."

You mean like you continually refuse to do? You want to hold me accountable for TT's bullsh!t behavior then remove that standard from yourself? Sure I can provide reference for what I said and exclusively for what I said with the exclusion of all other things typed here: I am aware of investigation however you indicate there is not any inquiry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhioRgFztrA

https://www.foxnews.com/us/investigation-shooting-death-ashli-babbitt-capitol

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-11/2-capitol-polic...

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/533137-capitol-police-officer-who-shot-wom...

https://www.localdvm.com/news/washington-dc/chief-contee-gives-update-on-capi...

https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2021/01/investigation-of-fatal-shooting-of-...

https://wjla.com/news/local/woman-shot-during-unrest-on-us-capitol-grounds-di...

https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/doj-to-probe-shooting-of-air-force-vet-ashli-ba...

https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2021/01/07/capitol-police-officer-who-shot-...

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-capitol-shooting-victim-20210107-2ssr...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQaeg1d82Lo&bpctr=1611857207

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Reply #58 - 01/29/21 at 09:14:51

Eegore wrote on 01/28/21 at 09:32:07:

" ... You want to hold me accountable for TT's bullsh!t behavior then remove that standard from yourself? ..."

LOL. A bunch of links, parroting the same ‘wire’ story.

Sure is proof that ‘Some’, people are treated differently than ‘other’ people.

Gee Wally,
isn’t that something that the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialist SUPPORTERS,
‘WERE’, Rioting about ?

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8007	Re: L. Graham says the GOP deserve to get 'destroy Reply #59 - 01/29/21 at 09:57:38 "LOL. A bunch of links, parroting the same ‘wire’ story." And your belief that there is no inquiry comes from where?
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