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China raises death toll 50%
04/17/20 at 04:46:48

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/world/coronavirus-news.html

China on Friday revised upward the death toll in Wuhan, the city where the coronavirus first emerged and where it was the center of the epidemic for weeks before it spread to the rest of the world.

The new numbers, an increase of 50 percent in the tally, added to the skepticism about the accuracy of China’s coronavirus count, but Beijing maintains that there has been no cover-up.

OK repeat that say 30-50 times and we might just about be close enough.

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Matchless G11 Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 451 Newfoundland NJ	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #1 - 04/20/20 at 17:02:45 Nothing to see here...
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #2 - 04/20/20 at 17:33:32 I believe what transpired here is in the west we put the provisional data at the front of our calculations and in china it is put at the end of their calcs… Best regards,
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Reply #3 - 04/20/20 at 19:53:15

pg wrote on 04/20/20 at 17:33:32:

I believe what transpired here is in the west we put the provisional data at the front of our calculations and in china it is put at the end of their calcs…
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No, they're lying, they still are - Wuhan death toll is now 3850+ a total lie.
They're 21 million fewer cell phone users now than 3 months ago - something that is very very hard to cancel in china, and the average 3 months of last year was a 46 million expansion. There are people delivering urns to funeral homes and funeral homes cremating people 24/7 continuous operation. In Wuhan alone there are 8 massive funeral homes cremating people day and night.
There is a lot of loose anecdotal evidence. You literally have to be a detective to wade your way through this - and still only guess at the number.
People are migrant workers, they move back home due to economic shutdown, the cell phones get cancelled - totally legit reason not involving death, but is that number 60-70 million ? Does that cover all cancellations or does death of a few million also hide in the numbers ? Probably does - but how much ? we would never know.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #4 - 04/20/20 at 19:56:52 srinath wrote on 04/20/20 at 19:53:15: No, they're lying, they still are - Wuhan death toll is now 3850+ a total lie. I know it, I was inferring our numbers have as much merit as theirs..... Best regards,
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #5 - 04/21/20 at 00:53:34 You Implied The reader Infers
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Reply #6 - 04/21/20 at 05:21:16

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/21/20 at 00:53:34:

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And sometimes we try super hard, and infer the wrong thing. Like in this case - and I'm definitely not saying it is correct - but something that just hit me -
Taiwan has one of the lowest rates of infection or death. That includes a per capita, per population density or in absolute terms. In effect a place with the population density of NYC has the infection rate of North Dakota.

This is an affront to China. There's no way China can let this happen on its front door. That's why they're claiming super low numbers.

China would rather take the blame and the ire of the world by announcing so few casualties rather than lose this to Taiwan. Taiwan OTOH has been completely ignored by the WHO which is acting like China's sock puppet, so as such there is no "Taiwan"

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8343	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #7 - 04/21/20 at 08:19:40 "I believe what transpired here is in the west we put the provisional data at the front of our calculations and in china it is put at the end of their calcs…" I agree.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #8 - 04/21/20 at 08:27:01 Or their numbers are Actual death, divided by ten, spun for political expediency.. I got no reason to trust anything I HEAR they said,, or what I SAW them say. The Lets collect and report data we KNOW isnt true, and sort it later idea is bullshit
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5106 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #9 - 04/21/20 at 08:40:38 Just start adding zeros to that number till it becomes real as per the population and density of Wuhan. 38,500 is more like it. We all know China is not one to tell the truth , ever !
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Re: China raises death toll 50%
Reply #10 - 04/21/20 at 08:48:52

srinath wrote on 04/21/20 at 05:21:16:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/21/20 at 00:53:34:

You
Implied
The reader
Infers

And sometimes we try super hard, and infer the wrong thing. Like in this case - and I'm definitely not saying it is correct - but something that just hit me -
Taiwan has one of the lowest rates of infection or death. That includes a per capita, per population density or in absolute terms. In effect a place with the population density of NYC has the infection rate of North Dakota.

This is an affront to China. There's no way China can let this happen on its front door. That's why they're claiming super low numbers.

China would rather take the blame and the ire of the world by announcing so few casualties rather than lose this to Taiwan. Taiwan OTOH has been completely ignored by the WHO which is acting like China's sock puppet, so as such there is no "Taiwan"

Cool.
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A friend of mine who left Taiwan to get away from the coming infection, Is now hold up in nowhere Kentucky, He said people are still going out dinning in Taiwan. opps !

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Re: China raises death toll 50%
Reply #11 - 04/21/20 at 09:31:10

Matchless G11 wrote on 04/21/20 at 08:48:52:

srinath wrote on 04/21/20 at 05:21:16:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/21/20 at 00:53:34:

You
Implied
The reader
Infers

And sometimes we try super hard, and infer the wrong thing. Like in this case - and I'm definitely not saying it is correct - but something that just hit me -
Taiwan has one of the lowest rates of infection or death. That includes a per capita, per population density or in absolute terms. In effect a place with the population density of NYC has the infection rate of North Dakota.

This is an affront to China. There's no way China can let this happen on its front door. That's why they're claiming super low numbers.

China would rather take the blame and the ire of the world by announcing so few casualties rather than lose this to Taiwan. Taiwan OTOH has been completely ignored by the WHO which is acting like China's sock puppet, so as such there is no "Taiwan"

Cool.
Srinath.

A friend of mine who left Taiwan to get away from the coming infection, Is now hold up in nowhere Kentucky, He said people are still going out dinning in Taiwan. opps !

Whaaaa - wait - I saw footage of empty streets etc - maybe it was actually china - No idea. But Taiwan isn't lying about numbers, they are super super low.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8343	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #12 - 04/21/20 at 09:57:10 The Lets collect and report data we KNOW isnt true, and sort it later idea is bullshit This is fundamentally incorrect because they are not collecting and also "reporting it". Someone else is. But lets ignore that part.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: China raises death toll 50% Reply #13 - 04/21/20 at 12:53:50 Youre fulla crap
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Re: China raises death toll 50%
Reply #14 - 04/21/20 at 12:58:11

Eegore wrote on 04/21/20 at 09:57:10:

This is fundamentally incorrect because they are not collecting and also "reporting it". ..."

What would you call a entity, collecting data,
they know is false.

Formulating a opinion,
from the False data that they collected,
then giving that opinion to the POTUS ?

“… The global frenzy over 2019-nCoV could lull us into ignoring a creeping common disease falling off the public radar…"
“… But in terms of real numbers, the common flu is posing a greater health threat to the rest of the world than the new coronavirus itself, say CDC experts…”
“… Influenza has quietly killed 10,000 people in the US so far this flu season. Data: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html Image Credit: CDC …”
“… The US CDC, in a January 31, 2020 bulletin, has warned the public not to drop their guard about influenza …”

https://gulfnews.com/world/flu-vs-coronavirus-which-one-is-more-dangerous-fac...

Saying, 'Reporting', something different today, than yesterday,
could be a very good reason for, knowingly using false data,
(someone is using both hands to C.Y.A.)

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