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Reply #30 - 01/12/20 at 09:28:06
 

"I'll read stuff about the ear."


 Haven't you already established that the ear is not the same through observation?  This would make anyone not agreeing with you wrong, or part of the cover-up right?
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Reply #31 - 01/12/20 at 16:32:14
 

 I don't know how to post images so three assessments that included imagery are not provided.  Also only posted here are individuals that offered their profession and number of years of accredited practice.  These are the brief ones, easy to read.  

Forensic Pathologist 44 years.
 
You know this is a rough one given the poor sample pool. Given the evidence provided I can not conclusively state that I think either of the ears in the samples are an exact match of each other. I would like to see another angle of the deceased image. If this can not be provided I can not state other than my opinion is inconclusive.



ENT 25 years.

Who knows on this one. I could see where the ears match for most of the geometry but without more information to compare I would say that there is a possibility that the ears are not from the same person.



 Forensic Pathologist 34 years experience.

Upon examination of the left ear images provided for both the living and the deceased specimen I can conclude that there is no reason to think the origin or living image contradicts with the supplemental or deceased image.
 The ear shape is being altered in common format by the c-collar by pressing upwards on the lower lobe of the ear. There is also pinching of the skin indicative of upward pressure.  



Forensic Pathologist - American Board of Pathology since 1972.

 Looking over both images my opinion is that there is a strong chance that the ear is from the same person.  The totality of the ear and head shape exceed the percentage of differences, and the percentage difference input is minimal when taking into account the medical instrumentation pressing the ear out of it’s natural shape.  My assessment would be that there is not a preponderance of evidence that would lead me to investigate if the images are not of the same person.



ENT practitioner 47 years.  Over 20,000 procedures done on human ears.

 Is this a joke?  The padding on the neck is pressing the ear upward, the man is dead and laying down so he will not appear exactly the same as he would when alive and upright.  If the nose was not slightly sunken, I would assume there was surgical augmentation prior to death.  



ENT practitioner 31 years.

 Due to the quality of the images and lack of more comparative imagery I can not conclude that the ear is of the exact same person.  The face as a whole would lead me to believe that it is the same person however.



Cosmetic Surgeon, 29 years, 18,000 surgeries on human heads.

 You can’t see the first responder neck collar pushing the ear out of shape? It looks to me that the lower lobe is being pushed on by the collar.  You can see the skin pinched together at the frontal crease and there is an indent above it. This looks to be the same person even after examining the ear shape.



VA surgeon, cochlear implant specialist.

 The shape of the ear in the first photograph is not a naturally formed ear to begin with. It has either been altered through trauma that is not visible in the photograph or it is temporarily deformed by the padding pushing on it.  
 I took the two images and created an overlay, shrinking the larger one, and the overall shape of the images match to 92%. The lobule and antitragus are in an unnatural upward and dorsal compressed shape, most likely caused by the padding in the photo pushing it into that shape.



Forensic Pathologist, 26 years. Europe.

 Looking at only the images of the ears, and cutting the image to the point of removing all foreign influence I would assess that the ear in image one is not the same ear as the one in image two. If I look at the entire photograph for both image one and image two plus supplemental imagery I would assess that the ears all belong to one person.



Cosmetic surgeon and educator. Over 60,000 deceased human heads operated on.

I can see where someone unfamiliar with the movement, composition and flexibility of human tissue would confuse the shape of the ear in the first sample as one of natural positioning even with the padding clearly shown in the image.

The helix, antihelix fold, scapha and antihelix are in common form and match. The concha and fossa match perfectly, which is extremely uncommon. It looks that the lobule is pressing the antitragus towards the tragus because of the padding, this is very common. Of the thousands of human heads I have worked on with upper neck support I would say most that have a similar lobule structure will deform in that manner, or will pop outward over the supporting structure.
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Reply #32 - 01/12/20 at 17:42:03
 
Okay, again, are you implying “the dead Epstein “ is a near look alike whose body was substituted?
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Reply #33 - 01/12/20 at 18:50:03
 
Eegore wrote on 01/12/20 at 09:28:06:
"I'll read stuff about the ear."


 Haven't you already established that the ear is not the same through observation?  This would make anyone not agreeing with you wrong, or part of the cover-up right?



You just being a jackass?
Didn't you say it could change after death?
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Reply #34 - 01/12/20 at 19:13:47
 
What did those people say about the injuries to his neck?  A bed sheet did not cause those wounds....

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Reply #35 - 01/12/20 at 19:38:36
 
pg wrote on 01/12/20 at 19:13:47:
What did those people say about the injuries to his neck?  A bed sheet did not cause those wounds....

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It was a bed sheet?

How about if it was ripped into strips and then twisted?

How did they find the bed sheet ?
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Reply #36 - 01/12/20 at 20:20:22
 
raydawg wrote on 01/12/20 at 19:38:36:
It was a bed sheet?

How about if it was ripped into strips and then twisted?

How did they find the bed sheet ?



Yes, I call BS.....

https://nypost.com/2020/01/05/new-photos-of-jeffrey-epsteins-body-sheet-he-used-
to-hang-himself/

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Reply #37 - 01/12/20 at 20:42:56
 
"Didn't you say it could change after death? "

 I said: "Compare other living and dead profile images, skin sags, the nose deforms within hours."

 To clarify, I intended to impress upon the value of looking at multiple images of living and dead humans instead of two.  Skin sags in different ways when life is no longer present, as in blood pressure and respiration.  The human nose when laying down can in some humans look different than when standing up, and for most humans will , after death, specifically the absence of blood pressure and respiration, look different due to physical change.

 What I meant by my post you were responding to is historically when data contradictory to observed reality is presented, that data is, historically, claimed to be wrong, or dismissed entirely.  Cherry picking data makes sure that observed reality remains correct.  
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Reply #38 - 01/12/20 at 20:58:09
 

"What did those people say about the injuries to his neck?  A bed sheet did not cause those wounds...."

 Those people were asked exclusively about the ear.  The bedsheet assessments take longer for obvious reasons.  In this case I think a number of them will be inconclusive or not "rule out" any particular cloth.
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Reply #39 - 01/12/20 at 21:43:00
 
Eegore wrote on 01/12/20 at 20:58:09:
The bedsheet assessments take longer for obvious reasons.  In this case I think a number of them will be inconclusive or not "rule out" any particular cloth.



Why would the assessments take any longer?  I call BS, you are punting again.  You are speculating on the inconclusive opinions of other people with no citations....

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Reply #40 - 01/12/20 at 23:45:30
 
"Why would the assessments take any longer?"

A higher volume of evidence takes longer to evaluate than a lower volume.

 Examining two photos takes less time than examining more than two, why would this be something difficult to believe?

 Also these people do not work for me, I can not assign deadlines or even make them send me information at all.  This will take time even if you don't like it.


"You are speculating on the inconclusive opinions of other people with no citations...."

 I am and I was very clear about that.  I have read thousands of forensic reports, sat in on hundreds of autopsies.  How many have you been involved in?  
 
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Reply #41 - 01/12/20 at 23:48:31
 
"Okay, again, are you implying “the dead Epstein “ is a near look alike whose body was substituted? "

 I'm pretty sure they are even though people are refusing to answer your question.  Even Epstein's crew was fooled but not anyone here.

"What is not in question is that Epstein is dead. According to forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, who was hired by Jeffrey Epstein's brother to look into the death and was present during the autopsy, the fingerprints on the body found in Epstein's cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in the early morning of August 10, 2019 match the fingerprints taken of Epstein when he was booked during a 2006 arrest in Florida."  
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Reply #42 - 01/13/20 at 03:16:48
 
I'm pretty sure Epstein is dead, the question is - who killed him ? I am not for a second buying this suicide crap. British Royal family ? Clinton ? Trump - of course that would have been a tweet storm if he had LOL.

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Reply #43 - 01/13/20 at 04:42:56
 
If that’s the case, we’re into 9/11 conspiracy territory and just so you know, this is where logic goes to die.

A near look-alike for Jeffrey Epstein was found and murdered. Now, Epstein was a major public figure and anyone looking like Epstein would have been joked about frequently by his friends, family and acquaintances. But suddenly this guy disappears and there’s not a word about that??? I met a waiter at a restaurant in Miami Beach one time that was the spitting image for the star of Hamilton, Lin something or other. His face was nearly identical, his body shape was dramatically different however he was tall and skinny. He said he got a lot of mileage out of his face, high tips (we gave him one) changed his license plate to the guys name, and he got laid constantly! Funny guy. If this guy disappeared, it wouldn’t go unnoticed. But an Epstein look-alike goes missing the same time Epstein ends up dead?.....
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Reply #44 - 01/13/20 at 05:35:11
 
But Epstein being alive is a loose end for a lot of people. Why go through all the extra trouble and obviously he cant lay claim to his $$$ either now that its known he's dead. As in, a poor guy with a lot of secrets - no, the optics look terrible for Slick Willy, Prince Pubert etc. A lot cheaper to have a prisoner take care of their problem for a boatload of $$$ delivered to their family (the cleanest way that could have gone down). Use your imagination for all the dirty ways.

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