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Title: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/06/20 at 02:38:22 Even the main stream media is calling BS.... https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fake-noose-60-minutes-shreds-epstein-suicide-theory https://nypost.com/2020/01/05/new-photos-of-jeffrey-epsteins-body-sheet-he-used-to-hang-himself/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/07/20 at 16:31:09 What say you Eegore? Did you see the pictures of his neck? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/07/20 at 19:37:35 I am currently having the evidence presented to forensic pathologists for review. I will develop my own opinion when I have 20 or more compiled and I am trying to get some information from the DOJ regarding entry/exit procedures. I have 38 contractor statements but zero official ones. At this time I am not convinced that outside individuals were snuck in or otherwise violated standard entry exit procedures. I also am not sure how relevant the missing camera footage is considering that there are no other entry/exit points to the room. I can for sure at this time say I do not think the guards being prosecuted are choosing to avoid bringing up that other individuals were in the area, that they were forced to go "on a smoke break" or any other scenario that conflicts with the camera footage. I do not think that the available camera footage was altered as there is no evidence of that. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by raydawg on 01/07/20 at 20:11:45 537371796473160 wrote:
It seems very odd, that so many weird "chain of events" happened at this exact moment....to a very high profiled person, who in all likelihood, had vast knowledge of some extremely incriminating testimony, by its/his, very nature. Now, how odd was Vince Foster's death....too? A man on the brink of becoming the AG, you'd think he would be giddy with power, and the future it held. To go to a park, and shot himself, and to have park rangers, handle the investigation.... of such a high profile person? Wasn't bad news breaking about some of the shady past of Hillary, Web Hubbel, etc, at this time too? Does lighting strike twice? :-/ I don't know..... I lean toward its nothing but two people, for only reasons they knew, decided to kill themselves. To believe otherwise, well frankly.....that is a narrative, if true I don't think I could honestly handle, the implications it would afford, to just how deep we are in corruption, etc.... I'd rather be ignorant and naive, and let evil flourish until a power higher than any I could ever level....takes charge of it. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/08/20 at 05:04:47 5C4F574A4F59492E0 wrote:
It seems very odd, that so many weird "chain of events" happened at this exact moment....to a very high profiled person, who in all likelihood, had vast knowledge of some extremely incriminating testimony, by its/his, very nature. Now, how odd was Vince Foster's death....too? A man on the brink of becoming the AG, you'd think he would be giddy with power, and the future it held. To go to a park, and shot himself, and to have park rangers, handle the investigation.... of such a high profile person? Wasn't bad news breaking about some of the shady past of Hillary, Web Hubbel, etc, at this time too? Does lighting strike twice? :-/ I don't know..... I lean toward its nothing but two people, for only reasons they knew, decided to kill themselves. To believe otherwise, well frankly.....that is a narrative, if true I don't think I could honestly handle, the implications it would afford, to just how deep we are in corruption, etc.... I'd rather be ignorant and naive, and let evil flourish until a power higher than any I could ever level....takes charge of it. :-[ [/quote] That is not what I asked, did you see the pictures of his neck? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/20 at 06:04:38 Once again, I'll go with common sense. Leaning forward against a piece of cloth Could kill ya, IF your reflexes didn't save you. But, what it won't do is Break bones. Not gonna happen.. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/09/20 at 15:47:29 The hits just keep on coming.... “The MCC inadvertently preserved video from the wrong tier within the MCC, and, as a result, video from outside the defendant’s cell... no longer exists,” prosecutors wrote. https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-jail-cell-surveillance-video-suicide-attempt-technical-errors Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/09/20 at 22:56:00 Nose is different Ear Much different http://https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xMu83c7GPwo/XhfI60FT58I/AAAAAAABGjg/2tKKAxftEHI2fZDKWueDj9PBdW_RBfamACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/dead-man-jeffrey-epstein-comparison-jpg.jpg |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by zevenenergie on 01/10/20 at 03:15:34 Some things are as clear as daylight. But if they are denied, then something strange happens in us. We start to doubt and begin to deny it ourself and with that we become unconscious for what happend. Denial is the greatest unconsciousness. Hence politicians and pedophiles can get away and will get away, with obvious crimes under the nose of the public, as long as they are denied. :-X |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/10/20 at 05:29:51 "Nose is different Ear Much different" This is normal. Compare other living and dead profile images, skin sags, the nose deforms within hours. The phrase "It didnt even look like him/her" was heard all the time at the medical center for this reason. The C-Collar is very obviously pressing the skin upward modifying the shape of the ear cartilage. Notice the pinching at the front and the compression of the lower lobe. Are we now saying he is actually alive and a stunt double was killed instead? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by zevenenergie on 01/10/20 at 08:02:00 When the blood pressure is gone, and also the soul is no longer in the body. Then the face looks different, that's true. But.. (Whit all respect). You are in denial. Wake up! Look at the facts, use your eyes, look at the nose and look at that ear. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/10/20 at 09:01:21 7050525A4750350 wrote:
Look at the ear. Forget the nose. The cartilage is obviously different. Yes, that isn't who they say. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/10/20 at 10:16:47 "Look at the facts, use your eyes, look at the nose and look at that ear." I will go with the forensic pathologists and my decades of experience dealing with the dead. I extracted 14 dead overseas last year alone. They don't look like they do in the photos. "The cartilage is obviously different." Not according to the past 14 medical examiners I have sent that image to, 6 of them don't even know who it is, they aren't even in the US. But what would they know? That ear is altered by the foam padding and gravity based off of mine, and multiple other professional assessments. You go with your assessment from that one picture, I will go with mine. People watch too many movies or don't get out enough. So it occurred to me that some ideal assessments could be done by cosmetic surgeons and funeral home staff. I have sent 47 requests for assessment to people in these fields, maybe they will have some insight on that ear. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/10/20 at 16:23:35 My Assessment Of Who is the racist Was correct when the lefties were squawking about Sandman. I'm comfortable with my batting average. Yeah, I've been Wrong But not so often that I'm uncomfortable with looking at that ear and Seeing your Gravity Extending one segment of cartilage Down And Another one Up... I'm calling Bullshit on your assessment. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/10/20 at 16:29:38 426260687562070 wrote:
Please tell us more about the examiners. Bet regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by MnSpring on 01/10/20 at 16:33:40 6141434B5641240 wrote:
I believe, missing camera footage, would be, VERY, relevant, especially considering, no other entry/exit points to the room. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by raydawg on 01/10/20 at 17:02:06 Looking at the picture, one is vertical, and alive, the other is horizontal, and dead (?). Given the time frame, of death, to this picture, what, on the gurney....??? It must be only a few hours, I wonder if "decay" has even had a chance to be a factor yet....??? To compare one cadaver, to another, without all the exact circumstances considered.....well, that is just disingenuous if you are using it to support your own beliefs. As a photographer, I find the dead profile troubling, I see lots of inconsistencies in the capture, which you find with photo-shopping/editing. Again, I do not know the camera, its setting, if any, the lighting, etc, which all come in to play.... I would not hazard a guess on just this one exposure, just not enough info available to be certain. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/10/20 at 18:12:11 Comparing a dead guys ear to the ear of allegedly the same guy and noting the differences in his ear Is observation. I trust my lying eyes over a Bullshit media story. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/10/20 at 21:31:20 "Please tell us more about the examiners." What would you like to know? Names, degrees, history, location, number of years of practice? I am not sure all will be comfortable posting personal information but I can request a history and resume for each. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/10/20 at 21:37:12 "I believe, missing camera footage, would be, VERY, relevant, especially considering, no other entry/exit points to the room." If there is a camera in front of a room facing a door, and there is a camera in the hallway recording the only entry/exit, the single door camera becomes redundant. The hallway camera would show if anyone went to the door. If nobody goes into the hallway, and there are no other access points, then nobody went in the door. So "two guys" sneaking into the area in the middle of the night would be caught on the multiple other cameras leading to the door. It's like saying that your house has no windows and only one door, the footage of your door is missing but the footage showing the driveway up to the door has no activity. Even more interesting is that if the person was alive days After the time of missing footage, I would think the missing footage most likely does not show a murder. Since the subject was still alive. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by WebsterMark on 01/11/20 at 04:29:27 Is your implication that he’s still alive and a look alike was killed and passed off as the corpse of Epstein? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/11/20 at 04:47:17 4F6F6D65786F0A0 wrote:
Nice punt.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by zevenenergie on 01/11/20 at 08:42:49 Epstein had a lot of customers among well-known ones. And he must have received payments. Isn,t it time to follow the money? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/20 at 09:03:48 No telling who he was blackmailing. You want me to believe he didn't have cameras? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by raydawg on 01/11/20 at 09:13:24 5D4244435E5968586850424E05370 wrote:
WE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.......m'kay ;D |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/11/20 at 11:27:45 "Nice punt...." Nice avoiding the question. What do you want to know about the pathologists? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/11/20 at 11:29:18 "Is your implication that he’s still alive and a look alike was killed and passed off as the corpse of Epstein?" Isn't it obvious by that ear in the photo that this is the only possible outcome? Low risk, almost no consequences if caught, and easy to do right? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/11/20 at 13:28:39 1B3B39312C3B5E0 wrote:
How about the organization they are affiliated with and any other details that would support your position. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/11/20 at 21:42:38 "How about the organization they are affiliated with and any other details that would support your position." I have asked them to provide their background information, this, along with any written information provided is voluntary. I also asked that any written responses be brief and in plain language as I doubt anyone here will bother to read them to begin with, so extensive reporting is unnecessary. I only have 16 responses to the original post and only 12 exclusive to the ear. I have 9 responses from cosmetic surgeons about the ear, and 4 from ENT providers so it might be a few weeks to get enough information to formulate an official opinion. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/12/20 at 07:34:41 I'll read stuff about the ear. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/12/20 at 09:28:06 "I'll read stuff about the ear." Haven't you already established that the ear is not the same through observation? This would make anyone not agreeing with you wrong, or part of the cover-up right? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/12/20 at 16:32:14 I don't know how to post images so three assessments that included imagery are not provided. Also only posted here are individuals that offered their profession and number of years of accredited practice. These are the brief ones, easy to read. Forensic Pathologist 44 years. You know this is a rough one given the poor sample pool. Given the evidence provided I can not conclusively state that I think either of the ears in the samples are an exact match of each other. I would like to see another angle of the deceased image. If this can not be provided I can not state other than my opinion is inconclusive. ENT 25 years. Who knows on this one. I could see where the ears match for most of the geometry but without more information to compare I would say that there is a possibility that the ears are not from the same person. Forensic Pathologist 34 years experience. Upon examination of the left ear images provided for both the living and the deceased specimen I can conclude that there is no reason to think the origin or living image contradicts with the supplemental or deceased image. The ear shape is being altered in common format by the c-collar by pressing upwards on the lower lobe of the ear. There is also pinching of the skin indicative of upward pressure. Forensic Pathologist - American Board of Pathology since 1972. Looking over both images my opinion is that there is a strong chance that the ear is from the same person. The totality of the ear and head shape exceed the percentage of differences, and the percentage difference input is minimal when taking into account the medical instrumentation pressing the ear out of it’s natural shape. My assessment would be that there is not a preponderance of evidence that would lead me to investigate if the images are not of the same person. ENT practitioner 47 years. Over 20,000 procedures done on human ears. Is this a joke? The padding on the neck is pressing the ear upward, the man is dead and laying down so he will not appear exactly the same as he would when alive and upright. If the nose was not slightly sunken, I would assume there was surgical augmentation prior to death. ENT practitioner 31 years. Due to the quality of the images and lack of more comparative imagery I can not conclude that the ear is of the exact same person. The face as a whole would lead me to believe that it is the same person however. Cosmetic Surgeon, 29 years, 18,000 surgeries on human heads. You can’t see the first responder neck collar pushing the ear out of shape? It looks to me that the lower lobe is being pushed on by the collar. You can see the skin pinched together at the frontal crease and there is an indent above it. This looks to be the same person even after examining the ear shape. VA surgeon, cochlear implant specialist. The shape of the ear in the first photograph is not a naturally formed ear to begin with. It has either been altered through trauma that is not visible in the photograph or it is temporarily deformed by the padding pushing on it. I took the two images and created an overlay, shrinking the larger one, and the overall shape of the images match to 92%. The lobule and antitragus are in an unnatural upward and dorsal compressed shape, most likely caused by the padding in the photo pushing it into that shape. Forensic Pathologist, 26 years. Europe. Looking at only the images of the ears, and cutting the image to the point of removing all foreign influence I would assess that the ear in image one is not the same ear as the one in image two. If I look at the entire photograph for both image one and image two plus supplemental imagery I would assess that the ears all belong to one person. Cosmetic surgeon and educator. Over 60,000 deceased human heads operated on. I can see where someone unfamiliar with the movement, composition and flexibility of human tissue would confuse the shape of the ear in the first sample as one of natural positioning even with the padding clearly shown in the image. The helix, antihelix fold, scapha and antihelix are in common form and match. The concha and fossa match perfectly, which is extremely uncommon. It looks that the lobule is pressing the antitragus towards the tragus because of the padding, this is very common. Of the thousands of human heads I have worked on with upper neck support I would say most that have a similar lobule structure will deform in that manner, or will pop outward over the supporting structure. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by WebsterMark on 01/12/20 at 17:42:03 Okay, again, are you implying “the dead Epstein “ is a near look alike whose body was substituted? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/12/20 at 18:50:03 7656545C4156330 wrote:
You just being a jackass? Didn't you say it could change after death? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/12/20 at 19:13:47 What did those people say about the injuries to his neck? A bed sheet did not cause those wounds.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by raydawg on 01/12/20 at 19:38:36 4D5A5C505F4F3D0 wrote:
It was a bed sheet? How about if it was ripped into strips and then twisted? How did they find the bed sheet ? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/12/20 at 20:20:22 392A322F2A3C2C4B0 wrote:
Yes, I call BS..... https://nypost.com/2020/01/05/new-photos-of-jeffrey-epsteins-body-sheet-he-used-to-hang-himself/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/12/20 at 20:42:56 "Didn't you say it could change after death? " I said: "Compare other living and dead profile images, skin sags, the nose deforms within hours." To clarify, I intended to impress upon the value of looking at multiple images of living and dead humans instead of two. Skin sags in different ways when life is no longer present, as in blood pressure and respiration. The human nose when laying down can in some humans look different than when standing up, and for most humans will , after death, specifically the absence of blood pressure and respiration, look different due to physical change. What I meant by my post you were responding to is historically when data contradictory to observed reality is presented, that data is, historically, claimed to be wrong, or dismissed entirely. Cherry picking data makes sure that observed reality remains correct. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/12/20 at 20:58:09 "What did those people say about the injuries to his neck? A bed sheet did not cause those wounds...." Those people were asked exclusively about the ear. The bedsheet assessments take longer for obvious reasons. In this case I think a number of them will be inconclusive or not "rule out" any particular cloth. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/12/20 at 21:43:00 624240485542270 wrote:
Why would the assessments take any longer? I call BS, you are punting again. You are speculating on the inconclusive opinions of other people with no citations.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/12/20 at 23:45:30 "Why would the assessments take any longer?" A higher volume of evidence takes longer to evaluate than a lower volume. Examining two photos takes less time than examining more than two, why would this be something difficult to believe? Also these people do not work for me, I can not assign deadlines or even make them send me information at all. This will take time even if you don't like it. "You are speculating on the inconclusive opinions of other people with no citations...." I am and I was very clear about that. I have read thousands of forensic reports, sat in on hundreds of autopsies. How many have you been involved in? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/12/20 at 23:48:31 "Okay, again, are you implying “the dead Epstein “ is a near look alike whose body was substituted? " I'm pretty sure they are even though people are refusing to answer your question. Even Epstein's crew was fooled but not anyone here. "What is not in question is that Epstein is dead. According to forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, who was hired by Jeffrey Epstein's brother to look into the death and was present during the autopsy, the fingerprints on the body found in Epstein's cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in the early morning of August 10, 2019 match the fingerprints taken of Epstein when he was booked during a 2006 arrest in Florida." |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by srinath on 01/13/20 at 03:16:48 I'm pretty sure Epstein is dead, the question is - who killed him ? I am not for a second buying this suicide crap. British Royal family ? Clinton ? Trump - of course that would have been a tweet storm if he had LOL. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by WebsterMark on 01/13/20 at 04:42:56 If that’s the case, we’re into 9/11 conspiracy territory and just so you know, this is where logic goes to die. A near look-alike for Jeffrey Epstein was found and murdered. Now, Epstein was a major public figure and anyone looking like Epstein would have been joked about frequently by his friends, family and acquaintances. But suddenly this guy disappears and there’s not a word about that??? I met a waiter at a restaurant in Miami Beach one time that was the spitting image for the star of Hamilton, Lin something or other. His face was nearly identical, his body shape was dramatically different however he was tall and skinny. He said he got a lot of mileage out of his face, high tips (we gave him one) changed his license plate to the guys name, and he got laid constantly! Funny guy. If this guy disappeared, it wouldn’t go unnoticed. But an Epstein look-alike goes missing the same time Epstein ends up dead?..... |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by srinath on 01/13/20 at 05:35:11 But Epstein being alive is a loose end for a lot of people. Why go through all the extra trouble and obviously he cant lay claim to his $$$ either now that its known he's dead. As in, a poor guy with a lot of secrets - no, the optics look terrible for Slick Willy, Prince Pubert etc. A lot cheaper to have a prisoner take care of their problem for a boatload of $$$ delivered to their family (the cleanest way that could have gone down). Use your imagination for all the dirty ways. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by MnSpring on 01/13/20 at 06:28:59 5C7C7E766B7C190 wrote:
Interesting comment. Perhaps it would be beneficial to ask one of your students that you often speak of. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/13/20 at 07:31:06 "Interesting comment. Perhaps it would be beneficial to ask one of your students that you often speak of." It's a rehabilitation program and it is not active 365 days a year. The program restarts, given it is allowed to continue, on March 01. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/13/20 at 08:19:02 5171737B6671140 wrote:
With that extensive experience you really don't care to comment on issues that do not support your positions..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/13/20 at 09:05:45 "With that extensive experience you really don't care to comment on issues that do not support your positions....." What do you mean? My hypothesis, based off of my experience, is that most forensic pathologists will not make a conclusive statement on a body they can not see for themselves. I've seen this in court for years. I've seen many "inconclusive" results from hands on examinations. If a number of inconclusive results come from person-to-body examinations I would assume that even more inconclusive results come from person-to-60 Minutes TV show examinations. But I don't know, I am just providing a hypothesis, which is exactly what you are doing as well. Do I think that some will agree with you? Yes I do. Is that the comment you are looking for? Again, these people do not work for me. I can request a brief, plain-language assessment. That's it. If I don't get enough to create an educated assessment I won't. If that's bothering you I don't know what to tell you. We all know that if I post results that don't coincide with certain beliefs then the accusation will be that I am withholding those assessments. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/13/20 at 09:09:44 "If that’s the case, we’re into 9/11 conspiracy territory and just so you know, this is where logic goes to die." Hey, take a closer look at that ear. That should be proof that an Epstein body double was used, that his entire social group, family, employer etc.. have been paid off or murdered so nobody brings up he's gone. Besides there would be zero consequences if the Real Epstein was found alive. He probably just had his face swapped and his DNA genetically altered like they do in the movies. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by raydawg on 01/13/20 at 09:16:09 My hypothesis, based off of my experience, is that most forensic pathologists will not make a conclusive statement on a body they can not see for themselves. If we could only get journalist, to adapt such constraints.......... :-[ When you have the highest elected official in our system of governing, tried, by veiled accusation, and witnesses paraded out, to testify (with) the same, without ever seeing the body of evidence..... Well....why do I even waste my time typing this :-[ |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/13/20 at 09:31:51 "When you have the highest elected official in our system of governing, tried, by veiled accusation, and witnesses paraded out, to testify (with) the same, without ever seeing the body of evidence" Impeachment is not an enforcement of criminal law so I wouldn't expect due process. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by raydawg on 01/13/20 at 09:37:57 19393B332E395C0 wrote:
WTF......where did I say it was criminal.....????? HEY ALL let's just form a consensus, and declare eegore as irreverent, and a waste of time. It is obvious, so therefore we can attach the word, truth, to it, as factual, he has no real desire for honest debate, or enlightenment.... You are guilty as charged! But again, you don't come around here because you care what anyone thinks....gotcha. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/13/20 at 10:32:00 "WTF......where did I say it was criminal.....?????" Tried by veiled accusation, to me, sounds like parameters for the enforcement of criminal law, not municipal. "But again, you don't come around here because you care what anyone thinks....gotcha" Not what I said, so again.... I very specifically was discussing the use of personal insults with the exclusion of all other topics. Personal insults. I was talking about personal insults. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by zevenenergie on 01/13/20 at 15:01:53 Insult come,s from Latin insultare ‘jump or trample on. And we don,t do that any more. Am I still on topic? [smiley=happy.gif] |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by verslagen1 on 01/13/20 at 15:22:25 I would like to know if he has a foot shaped bruise on his back? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/16/20 at 15:54:53 Former New York City Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Baden discusses his theories and examines graphic photographs. Among them are the burst capillaries and the fact that Epstein’s lower extremities were pale and not purple or bluish, which he said would have been the case had he hanged himself in August at the Manhattan Correctional Center. “The blood settles after we die. The so-called lividity, if you’re hanging, the lividity is on the lower part on the legs. These would be like maroon/purple, front and back and they aren’t,” Baden. https://nypost.com/2020/01/16/disturbing-evidence-in-jeffrey-epsteins-autopsy-points-to-his-murder-pathologist/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/16/20 at 15:55:52 @Eegore, please feel free to comment on the so-called lividity..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/16/20 at 17:40:24 "@Eegore, please feel free to comment on the so-called lividity...." I don't have a comment regarding lividity. As I said I will refer to professionals in the field, and use multiple resources to develop an opinion. The difference here being I have not made up my mind prior to evidence being presented. What I do not think happened was two guys snuck into the prison, murdered Epstein while the two staff, on camera, were forced to go on a smoke break that they refuse to bring up at the cost of their careers and freedoms. I also do not think a body double was murdered and the Real Epstein is alive somewhere out in the world based off of one picture of an ear. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/20 at 17:48:28 How many pictures of an ear with obviously different cartilage structure would you need? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/16/20 at 17:51:13 "How many pictures of an ear with obviously different cartilage structure would you need?" How many people need to bring up there's foam pressing on that ear do you need? It's in the photo. You can see there's foam pressing on that ear. I will go with people who work in the field. I posted some, and of course they are all wrong. As I have said before, if information s presented you don't like, you dismiss it, or it must be incorrect. Why even ask for information if you are only willing to accept data that matches your opinion? A guy works on 60 thousand human heads, he 's wrong. A guy who has never worked on a single human head, he's right. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/20 at 17:55:06 BULLSHIT.. The EAR isn't distorted. Unless pressure on the neck can change the shape of cartilage inside the ear. Look,, See from the top, inside the cup, a line DOWN? Ohhh, LOOK, another line, going UP.. Completely different from Epstein.. Yeah, duck and hide, or the inescapable and OBVIOUS will grab your butt. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/16/20 at 17:58:08 "Unless pressure on the neck can change the shape of cartilage inside the ear." According to professionals in the field. One's that know anatomy, work on human ears, reconstruct human ears, cut apart human ears, yes. But they are all wrong. I understand that is your opinion, I will go with the collective data presented. That data indicates that the human ear shape in that photo is altered by the foam pressing on the ear. Not the neck, it is touching the ear. I'm not ducking or hiding, I am making my opinion very clear and I am citing my sources. That's my opinion. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/20 at 18:30:59 Call a friend Look in the ear Press accordingly Note the change of the shape inside the ear, the lines formed by cartilage. I just did it to my wife. It didn't change anything enough to create the big, obvious changes in Epstein ear. I say Bullshit. You can believe what you're told. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/16/20 at 18:52:45 "You can believe what you're told." I will. A guy works on 60,000 motorcycles, a group of mechanics get together, between them over 100,000 motorcycles worked on. They build them, they are nationally consulted on their motorcycle knowledge, they can assemble them in their sleep. A guy looks at a picture of a motorcycle. Who will you ask for advice on a motorcycle? I will ask the group that has decades experience with over a hundred thousand bikes. You won't. Press on your wife's ear all day, that's one ear. I will go with the group of professionals that have worked on thousands of ears. My question is, as it always is, why do you ask for information if you will just call it all wrong, or ignore it, if it doesn't coincide with your beliefs? I mean why didn't you ask, "Do you know anyone that agrees with me about the ear?" That's what you really wanted to know. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/17/20 at 04:33:38 59797B736E791C0 wrote:
The majority of the evidence does not support your opinion. And this is from a pathologist who did this for a living for 40+ years. Broken bones in his neck, wire / rope marks on his neck, lack of lividity, broken blood vessels in his eyes and this does not include the miraculous set of events that allowed this to happen. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by MnSpring on 01/17/20 at 06:47:49 4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote:
Yet, you consider the billions of people that use, are familiar with, that routinely shoot, that keep up on information about Firearms, Etc, Etc, Etc. To, NOT, be knowledgeable about Firearms. Yet consider people like tt who, 'says', they have a Firearm, Bloomberg, and people who want to rewrite Freedom OUT of a Constitutional Amendment, a 'expert'. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/17/20 at 16:05:14 "The majority of the evidence does not support your opinion. And this is from a pathologist who did this for a living for 40+ years. Broken bones in his neck, wire / rope marks on his neck, lack of lividity, broken blood vessels in his eyes and this does not include the miraculous set of events that allowed this to happen." None of this leads me to believe that two staff members are choosing potential incarceration over bringing up that they were told to take a smoke break. The camera footage would have to be professionally altered to cover up the "two guys" that were brought in secretly and entered his cell. The pathologist with 40+ years experience believes that this is Epstein, or is at least presenting his opinion that no body-double was used. Why on earth would this "not support" my opinion that there is no body-double that was murdered and a Real Epstein is alive somewhere? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/17/20 at 16:08:29 "Yet, you consider the billions of people that use, are familiar with, that routinely shoot, that keep up on information about Firearms, Etc, Etc, Etc. To, NOT, be knowledgeable about Firearms. Yet consider people like tt who, 'says', they have a Firearm, Bloomberg, and people who want to rewrite Freedom OUT of a Constitutional Amendment, a 'expert'." Not even close. Reference one post where I am pro-gun control. Specifically agreeing that firearms should be removed from US citizen's ownership. Reference where I ever indicated in any form that Bloomberg is correct. I can reference posts where I think he was wrong. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1578968215 The real issue is that you over react when I say something like people are concerned about "murder rate per minute" and think I am saying high-capacity magazines should be removed. Acknowledging the opposition's argument is not equal to agreeing, its actually a proven effective strategy to stop firearm control legislation. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/17/20 at 16:39:44 7A5A58504D5A3F0 wrote:
You have argued every position other than he committed suicide. Please feel free to elaborate on what you believe transpired. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/17/20 at 20:20:37 "You have argued every position other than he committed suicide. Please feel free to elaborate on what you believe transpired." Incorrect. I said when I get 20 expert assessments I will look over the content and create an opinion. The difference being I am willing to create an opinion after I get evidence and consultation, not prior to, and not select exclusively the evidence that supports my opinion, which doesn't exist. I'd rather not have an opinion. What I did say was this: "I prefer the physical evidence over circumstance, but I can also see where the situation has other circumstances that could indicate foul play." That statement is being ignored because I do not think "two guys" were brought into a Federal Maximum Security facility in the middle of the night and not one staff member thought it would be important to bring that up. I do not think two staff members were forced to take a "smoke break" and choose to not bring that up. I do not think the camera footage is professionally altered to cover up the "smoke break" and the "two guys" entering the area. I do not think a body double was murdered, his entire social network murdered or paid off, and the Real Epstein is really alive somewhere. Just because I challenge the presented scenarios does not mean I think the only outcome possible is suicide. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by raydawg on 01/17/20 at 21:53:14 Sheesh......you all beat this horse till its dead. Maybe we should look at its ears, and whip markings? Can't we just count our IRA's and saving accounts, etc...and be happy instead? ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/17/20 at 22:29:44 "Can't we just count our IRA's and saving accounts, etc...and be happy instead?" I can do both. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by WebsterMark on 01/18/20 at 05:09:17 71627A67627464030 wrote:
I agree. In the aftermath of tornado damage that destroys whole neighborhoods, you’ll undoubtedly find a partial wall standing with a fragile glass window fully intact and undamaged. (http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2479641.1451406752!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/pastor30n-1-web.jpg ) When that happens, you could assume an alien with super human powers stood in front of the window, protecting it. Or you could assume an entirely predictable but unknowable series of events occurred where flying debris missed that 2x2 square. I have no idea why a dead man’s ear looks different in one photo than another. I can believe what logic and my life’s experience tells me which is I can look at two different pictures of my wife taken at different times and while I recognize her with absolute certainty, I could find numerous visual oddities if I looked hard enough. If I did that I could: 1)understand they are the result of a million different variables that go into capturing images and producing photographs or 2) I could assume she’s been kidnapped and replaced with a lookalike. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Serowbot on 01/18/20 at 06:54:08 People in prison are fingerprinted,.. and today, probably DNA sampled. A body switch would be nearly impossible. Only a very stable genius could manage it... ;D |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by MnSpring on 01/18/20 at 06:55:14 [quote][/quote] 1636343C2136530 wrote:
So the presented scenario is. Ted Kennedy was not boinking Mary Joe, and was not drunk, when he crashed his car and killed her. JFK was not Boinking MM. Foster committed suicide. (and Many Many more) Do you challenge the presented scenarios in those cases ? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/18/20 at 15:54:02 I call BS as well MN.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/18/20 at 17:04:28 "Do you challenge the presented scenarios in those cases ?" No. I actually don't even know what you are talking about. I, in this thread, am talking about the proposal that "two guys" were brought into the prison to murder Epstein, and somehow there is also a body double. I never said he was not murdered. Point out where I have indicated either way. Or would you rather bring up more totally unrelated issues into this thread? "I call BS as well MN...." So its BS because I don't think "two guys" snuck in the middle of the night, and also never on camera were involved? Or that I don't think one picture of an ear proves its a body double? Or is it BS because I am not just agreeing with you, and want to come to my own conclusion through my own methods? |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by srinath on 01/18/20 at 17:05:06 63407D5E5C4740492E0 wrote:
Oh man Joe the Plummer is Gay ???? whaaaaaa… And Minnie Mouse was getting boned by JFK ? Man you're killing me here. And Jodie Foster is dead … Oh no, she was a Tight little fox in Elysium … You're ruining my day here bro. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by pg on 01/18/20 at 17:35:13 6444464E5344210 wrote:
You have ententionally evaded answering multiple concerns of which I have addressed. You said you were compliling data from pathology experts before you form an opinion; yet you dismiss the opinion of an individual with 40 years experience. Your citiations are best decribed as a reference, they reference that you may have spoken to someone. In short they provide little to no substantiation. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Do you still believe that BS story? Post by Eegore on 01/18/20 at 20:24:05 "yet you dismiss the opinion of an individual with 40 years experience" When? When did I say he was incorrect, should not be part of an evaluation, should not be considered a valued resource or in any other way indicated that he is not credible and should be dismissed? I very specifically have said, "I have no opinion" because I want more information, as I typically do. If I dismissed this perspective I wouldn't bother to have 68 emails sent out to professionals in the field about the subject, I would just ignore it. Because I want more information is not an indicator that the information presented is correct/incorrect, has a percentage value of accuracy or importance, or should or should not be used. If you want me to agree with you based off of one pathologist's assessment that will not happen. Why you even care that I want 19 other opinions is beyond me. |
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