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12/26/19 at 06:56:19
 
Hi, I'm currently debating whether I should rejet my current carb or get the mikuni vm preformance carb, with the thunder products upgrade parts, like the UFO, (don't want the dialajet since it seems slightly delicate) However I don't really understand the advantages that the vm makes over the stock. Obviously I want as much power as possible, but my main concerns are, realiability, durability, and longevity, followed by power, in that order.  What advantages would the vm offer in those regards?  I understand one is CV and the other is mechanical meaning the cable conects directly to the slide as opposed to a butterfly, however I still dont understand what the means in regards to power, feel, and all the other categories. Thanks for all your help!
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Reply #1 - 12/26/19 at 07:34:38
 
The main difference is in throttle response. The CV relies on vacuum to raise the slide so there will be a slight time lag from the instant that you twist the grip until the slide starts to raise. That will make the VM feel like it is making more power than the CV carb does just because it reacts quicker. The CV carb can be tuned to lessen that lag time, but there will always be some amount of lag compared to the mechanical VM.
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Reply #2 - 12/26/19 at 07:53:09
 
Does that make it more likely to be flooded or is the difference not that extreme?
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Reply #3 - 12/26/19 at 07:54:53
 
Lancer would be the man to ask on that one, he knows the VM quite well.
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Reply #4 - 12/26/19 at 08:00:31
 
I tried messaging him but didnt hear back, probably due to the holidays. In the meantime I thought I'd open the question to the greater forum!
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Reply #5 - 12/26/19 at 08:08:08
 
Another variable is what mods have you done to your engine, and what mods are you planning down the road. If you are staying stock or near stock, I would stick with the CV myself as it performs well enough in that instance. If you go with a ported head, better exhaust, hot cam, bigger bore, etc then the VM would show an advantage over the CV.
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Reply #6 - 12/26/19 at 08:10:07
 
I upgraded to a delkevic exhaust, and it's running very lean now which is why i'm in a bit of a hurry to figure out my carb situation before it gets much yellower. Also side question? can you rejet the carb without taking it out? Is it difficult?
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Reply #7 - 12/26/19 at 08:25:08
 
Okay, get your jetting dialed in first. You can change the jets without removing the carb. If you loosen the clamps holding the carb you can rotate it to gain access to the float bowl screws. While you are at it, if you haven't done so already, raise the needle too. Search for the white spacer mod on the forum and you will find what you need for that. Usually two or three  #4 washers to replace the white spacer will do the trick. If you order Lancer's jet kit it comes with  (I think 3) pilot jets, main jets, and the #4 washers.

Getting the overly lean factory emissions jetting dialed in to something better suited for performance makes a huge difference. You will like the change in performance that makes even on a stock bike.
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Reply #8 - 12/26/19 at 09:40:49
 
DragBikeMike made a thread on the various carbs used on the LS650, complete with dyno pulls. He includes his thoughts and opinion as well as hard data.
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Reply #9 - 12/26/19 at 10:59:58
 
Cool, just finished reading it, as cool as an s&s carb would be I think thats a little too much for me. From a purely reliability/durability standpoint would a stock cv be better than a vm? or would the vm be better because it has less parts?
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Reply #10 - 12/26/19 at 11:18:28
 
On a stock or nearly stock engine the OEM carb is fine. In fact, it suits the character of a cruiser well. It’s when you’re no longer riding the bike like a cruiser, and/or when you are demanding more from the engine, when you may benefit from a different carb. At WOT, it really doesn’t matter. Fast throttle transitions will benefit from a cable actuated slide. Dirt bikes and track bikes are two types of bikes (and styles of riding) where I think a cable actuated slide are necessary. If you need the last fractional horsepower from your Savage, I’d strongly consider a carb upgrade.
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Reply #11 - 12/26/19 at 12:30:25
 
It doesn't seem to me to make sense to spend money on a new carb ,when you could do the spacer mod ,and replace your main jet with one slightly larger (150 main is a good all around jet ) at a cost of about $15 , that would solve your problems. I would invest in J.I.S. (Japanese Industrial Standard ) screwdrivers to avoid stripping the screws on the carb .
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Reply #12 - 12/26/19 at 12:47:54
 
My thinking was that if i was gonna go through the trouble of adjusting the current carb, I might as well upgrade the carb for better performance, however, the more i read the more it seems unnecesarry for my needs. I don't necesarrily want a super choppy throttle, as my throttle control isnt the best. Mostly i was thinking it would give me more power in the low range, however that might be mistaken.
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Reply #13 - 12/26/19 at 13:08:16
 
I think either carb won't effect your low range power ,doing the spacer mod will increase it ,again with ether carb. A weaker low range is usually effected more by a change to a higher performance cam ,as they raise the torque peak to a higher rpm.
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Reply #14 - 12/26/19 at 13:16:33
 
Here's my 2 cents worth. DBM is the most extreme/educated/creative
R & D  guy around. We all have something to learn from him. The stock carb is good and is quite smooth , with some rejetting and a pod filter is the cheapest way to go. My R & D style is all by feel with almost no record keeping. Build it , tune it , ride the crap out of it. The Mikuni 36 VM is a super simple highly effective carb. The one I got from Lancer came prejetted and it was perfect,after providing him with all the needed info.
VM will give you instant throttle response and feels like it increases the width of the power band as well. Parts are easily available. Super easy to install and tune/jet and also has some upgrades too. If you like smooth acceleration stick with the stocker , if you want some $hit n git buy the VM kit from Lancer. It's my first choice for a replacement carb and been using them for 40 years.
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