Number of migrant children known to have died in Federal custody under Trump administration stewardship: 6

Number known in my life time before Trump: 0

What a revolting person.   I might wonder if you are so scared of rejection that you create a pretense for rejection on your terms- but I really don't care to know you more.

I'm sure plenty died BT (Before Trump) but highlighting it would not have been beneficial to Obama so it was ignored. Remember the pictures of 'kids in cages' that the media thought were so awful actually occurred under Obama so it was dropped?  Prior to that, no President was ever really serious about illegal immigration so any bad events on the border were generally ignored or they were reported as events, not as events caused by a President not belonging to the media's political party.

Eegore wrote on 12/06/19 at 13:12:17:


I did not refer to all children in Federal custody- without doubt, many children have died in one sort of Federal custody or another.

WebsterMark wrote on 12/06/19 at 13:26:41:


That isn’t a useful standard, as it provides zero surety.  Is it 1000? 10?  0?  Provide a reference to any you can identify.    I can find record of hundreds of deaths of migrants in ICE custody- but no children before 2017.   That’s my best apprehension.  If you can improve on that understanding, please do so.  

Remember the pictures of 'kids in cages' that the media thought were so awful actually occurred under Obama so it was dropped?

“The media” is not a person.   My research demonstrates reports and protest of children held in unsafe detention conditions by ICE pre-date 2017.   My research demonstrates the scale of that abuse increased subsequent to Trump-era policy changes, and includes at least 6 deaths.   Was it wrong prior to Trump?   Absolutely.   Has the mortal consequence of a child falling into ICE custody increased under Trump’s stewardship?   Remarkably so, according to record.   It is in no way plausible that the same journalists who reported on conditions during the Obama years would not report on child deaths- that just makes zero sense.

Prior to that, no President was ever really serious about illegal immigration so any bad events on the border were generally ignored or they were reported as events, not as events caused by a President not belonging to the media's political party.

This is demonstrably untrue.   Most famously, see “Operation Wetback”- ya, they really called it that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

Prior to this, the 20’s and 30’s saw about 1.8 million people deported illegally under Herbert Hoover.   We could go back further.   Our history didn’t start with us.

Mavigogun wrote on 12/06/19 at 14:34:20:


(AT) Currently children have been claimed to be used as 'get out of jail' cards for whoever they want to get into the US.
So, BT/AT...
What would've been done with those children when caught at the border?
Are sick children being used as tools to get someone through the border quickly?
How many children have died in transit before being caught at the border or suddenly appearing at a hospital?

I don't know what has happened here.
But killing babies as abortion is OK, but 6 of those who ran through mexico and got to the border and died (maybe from prior illnesses - we don't know) is terrible ? Who knows, what they died of ? Cancer ? HIV ? And we infected and cancered them ? gimme a break.
They complain those countries gubbamint are corrupt and hence they flee, OK lets topple their gubbamints and give them a lucrative job, maybe something like growing tropical fruit, which we would then buy from them … oops wait a sec, we did that, and got slapped for it.

Seriously, we try to help, we get slapped, we don't bother, we still get slapped, mostly by our own internal losers.

Cool.
Srinath.

Eegore I get your point - generally, however several times 6 babies are killed in abortions. That is all OK, but 6 who ran through mexico are somehow not ?

Every side has its hypocrisy. I can not get my mind around the fact that that 6 has become a huge issue, besides don't 6 or more die every year in Honudras, Guatemala + all those other ones over there - even when they have not fought their way through mexico ?

This is almost like blaming the butterfly in texas for causing a hurricane in china. I'm just pointing out butterflies in china are causing Katrina here.

Cool.
Srinath.

"Every side has its hypocrisy. I can not get my mind around the fact that that 6 has become a huge issue, besides don't 6 or more die every year in Honudras, Guatemala + all those other ones over there - even when they have not fought their way through mexico ?"

 

 Yes.

 I'm just saying that comparative solutions need comparative problems.  Complaining needs none of that, and people complain a lot without offering solutions, and that in general allows for a fair amount of hypocrisy as you have pointed out.

 I mean if we are going to compare dead kids we could pull up any problem and compare it to abortions, or anti-vaccinators, US Border, or domestic violence, school shootings etc.  

 A lot in this case I think has to do with what media sources any one of us is utilizing and how we like to spend our spare time maybe?