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Reply #15 - 10/04/19 at 11:35:35
 
Armen, just cut to he chase and make the whole frond end smaller.  Much lighter  Wink

I'll be needing one of those anti-pulley-wobble spacers soon. Will make that one of my winter projects....
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Reply #16 - 10/04/19 at 12:48:26
 
That almost needs a wheelie bar without even giving it gas..
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Reply #17 - 10/04/19 at 17:20:38
 
Thanks Versy!
I have the stock spacers.
Hey Stew, rear anti-wobble spacers I gots!
LMK where to send one.
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Reply #18 - 10/08/19 at 12:14:56
 
So, here is the first attempt. 7068 aluminum. 5.45 oz instead of 14+oz.
And that's without the right side steel spacer.
Haven't done the deflection test.
Instead of the right side spacer, I left the axle full thickness so that it shoulders against the right side wheel bearing. That means that the right fork leg doesn't have a spacer to rest against, but then again, a lot of new bikes do it like this.
Reason of this is that I get to take advantage of the larger axle diameter for a much longer distance. In shafts, strength increases as does the square of the diameter.
With the holycrap fork brace, I'm sure the lower legs will be where they are supposed to be.
Guess I'll find out.
Of course, the real load comes from the left side under braking. The next generation will have the axle coming in from the left.
A bit more work.....
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Reply #19 - 10/08/19 at 12:15:43
 
oh yeah, the picture
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Reply #20 - 10/08/19 at 13:37:12
 
Armen wrote on 10/08/19 at 12:14:56:
Of course, the real load comes from the left side under braking. The next generation will have the axle coming in from the left.
A bit more work.....

Or larger ID bearings?
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Reply #21 - 10/08/19 at 14:13:38
 
Versy,
I looked. No other bearing options and not enough material to bore out the hub.
20-20 hindsight, I should have started with a different hub. But I've got too much tied up in this one.
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Reply #22 - 10/08/19 at 14:23:34
 
I think bearing mfr's are evil, why aren't bearings available in every OD and ID?
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Reply #23 - 10/08/19 at 15:10:27
 
So, someone much smarter than me cautioned that the aluminum wold flex a lot more than steel, even if it unbelievably wonderful aluminum. My thought was that the more full figured right end would make up for the flexure nature of the aluminum.
I did this very crude, but prob somewhat accurate jig. Clamped the steel axle in the vise and hung a load on one end. Then clamped the aluminum one in, clamping at the same point.
My very unscientific results show that the chubbier aluminum axle deflects only a teeny bit more than the steel one.
Not throwing out the steel axle yet. I'll try them both.
And hopefully make the other axle configuration and try it as well.
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Reply #24 - 10/08/19 at 16:53:47
 
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Ohhh, c'mon, look at how the axle is loaded and supported.
My forks were snapped off and the sliders were pinching the tire. The axle IS bent, but I had to roll it on the drill press to see it.
I'm not about to go drilling one, because I don't think the performance gain from the weight loss would justify the effort. Not because I'm afraid of the axle crapping out. Well, depends on the hole diameter you're thinking about..
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Reply #25 - 10/08/19 at 17:50:36
 
Justin
Already tried drilling a steel one. Still twice the weight of the aluminum one.
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Reply #26 - 10/08/19 at 20:13:00
 
Armen,
Yes you can get great aluminum.
no matter what you do, aluminum will flex 3 times more than steel.
It's in the young's modulus.
Higher strength just means it can flex more before it breaks.
And the harder the material is, the more likely it is to break than give you a tell tale bend.
That tale is a warning... replace me.
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Reply #27 - 10/08/19 at 21:09:43
 
I'm pretty blasted bent..
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Reply #28 - 10/09/19 at 00:57:59
 
Versy,
That's why I did the deflection test.
The stock axle moved about .004" and the 7068 about .005". Not three times the flex. the thicker right hand section of the aluminum, and it's holycrap qualities account for that.
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Reply #29 - 10/09/19 at 05:51:09
 
Wouldn't steel and aluminum mirror wood/bamboo? IE the aluminum will bend with less force applied but wont break (also wont rebound like bamboo, someone should find a metal with memory properties) and the steel wouldn't bend as soon but if bent to the level of aluminum would fracture in some way?
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